Richard Bennett & George Ou filings on network management

by on February 14, 2008 · 10 comments

I wanted to make sure that everyone saw the filings that Richard Bennett and George Ou made this week to the FCC in the proceedings regarding broadband network management policies. They are excellent. [Richard and George have both been guests on the TLF podcast and discussed these issues here and here in detail.] I thought I’d clip a few of the highlights here, but make sure to read them all the way through.

Here’s some of what Richard had to say:

The four prongs of the Policy Statement do not include a “right to be free of delay” or a “right to infinite bandwidth”, and in the real world someones ox must be gored when the load offered to a network segment exceeds its capacity. Hence, the petition for declaratory ruling must be rejected. [...] So this is the choice that Comcast has on its network of today: should it allow a handful of BitTorrent users to degrade the performance of VoIP and web users to the point of distraction, or should it limit the bandwidth that BitTorrent users can consume? This is not a hard choice to make, and the only interesting implications it has concern methods employed and obligations for disclosure owing to the customer. [...] If ISPs have the freedom to experiment with different methods and business models, and consumers have reasonably broad choices, the market will sort this matter out. Hence the policy priority should be the promotion of market-based competition between Fiber, DOCSIS, DSL, and wireless. [...] It’s worthwhile to point out that Internet2 schools practice traffic shaping and policing on their campus networks, for the same reasons that public carriers such as Comcast do: it’s not economically feasible to build networks around the excessive bandwidth appetites of a few users. [...] There are alternative methods and policies that may be employed by ISPs to address problems of network congestion and overload; the market should decide among these, not the government.

Here’s some of what George had to say:

Given the fact that the petitioners don’t actually dispute the right of Comcast or any other network provider to reasonably manage their network and throttle down excessive uploaders, the only thing in dispute is the methodology used to achieve these goals. I’ve highlighted all the proposed alternatives along with the pros and cons of each solution and I’m confident that the one already in use by Comcast is the least intrusive, least expensive, and most practical way of dealing with the realities of a DOCSIS 1.1 broadband network. Market forces in the form of competition are forcing Comcast to upgrade to a much higher performance and more symmetrical DOCSIS 3.0 network and that is a win for the consumer. But regardless of how fast the network is, there will always be a need for practical network management solutions that ensure per-user fairness and not per-session fairness. The last thing we should do is force Comcast to implement more expensive and/or less fair traffic management schemes that at best wastes money and at worst degrade performance for consumers who are using far less than their fair share of bandwidth.

Again, make sure to read both filings. Also, over on his blog, Richard highlights some of other filings in the matter.

  • KC

    After some amount of rumination I have to conclude the Comcast episode is not a NN issue at all. The lynchpin behind the reasoning is the fact that Comcast customers are not allowed to share content on their consumer accounts and Comcast interferes only with sharing.

    The Free Press et al’s detailed reasoning founders on the jagged rocks of that one fact. None of the principles and not even the Chairman Martin testimonies cited by the complainants apply to Comcast’s consumer products. If you want to deliver content you need the appropriate contract terms with your ISP.

    However:

    “If ISPs have the freedom to experiment with different methods and business models, and consumers have reasonably broad choices, the market will sort this matter out.”

    I am not convinced that consumers have reasonably broad choices. I’m not against regulation on principle when the providers have huge market power and the consumer so little.

    How many consumers have the power to negotiate contract terms with an ISP? Personally I would consider the ability to negotiate essential to a functional market transaction. Barring a functional market there still is a place for more regulation.

  • KC

    After some amount of rumination I have to conclude the Comcast episode is not a NN issue at all. The lynchpin behind the reasoning is the fact that Comcast customers are not allowed to share content on their consumer accounts and Comcast interferes only with sharing.


    The Free Press et al’s detailed reasoning founders on the jagged rocks of that one fact. None of the principles and not even the Chairman Martin testimonies cited by the complainants apply to Comcast’s consumer products. If you want to deliver content you need the appropriate contract terms with your ISP.


    However:


    “If ISPs have the freedom to experiment with different methods and business models, and consumers have reasonably broad choices, the market will sort this matter out.”


    I am not convinced that consumers have reasonably broad choices. I’m not against regulation on principle when the providers have huge market power and the consumer so little.

    How many consumers have the power to negotiate contract terms with an ISP? Personally I would consider the ability to negotiate essential to a functional market transaction. Barring a functional market there still is a place for more regulation.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/ enigma_foundry

    So this is the choice that Comcast has on its network of today: should it allow a handful of BitTorrent users to degrade the performance of VoIP and web users to the point of distraction, or should it limit the bandwidth that BitTorrent users can consume?

    But this is a typical Richard Bennett mis-statement of the facts. In numerous tests by Comcast users, it has been established that Comcast does not merely throttle Bit-torrent uploading but STOPS IT COMPLETELY.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com eee_eff

    So this is the choice that Comcast has on its network of today: should it allow a handful of BitTorrent users to degrade the performance of VoIP and web users to the point of distraction, or should it limit the bandwidth that BitTorrent users can consume?

    But this is a typical Richard Bennett mis-statement of the facts. In numerous tests by Comcast users, it has been established that Comcast does not merely throttle Bit-torrent uploading but STOPS IT COMPLETELY.

  • http://bennett.com/blog Richard Bennett

    That damn Richard Bennett, you can’t trust a word he says.

  • http://bennett.com/blog Richard Bennett

    That damn Richard Bennett, you can’t trust a word he says.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/ enigma_foundry

    That damn Richard Bennett, you can’t trust a word he says.

    Well, Richard there is one statement of yours I agree with.

    But, since you’ve taken time to reply to my post, would you care to comment on the substance, i.e., in extensive user testing, Comcast users were not allowed ANY Bit-torrent uploading?

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com eee_eff

    That damn Richard Bennett, you can’t trust a word he says.

    Well, Richard there is one statement of yours I agree with.

    But, since you’ve taken time to reply to my post, would you care to comment on the substance, i.e., in extensive user testing, Comcast users were not allowed ANY Bit-torrent uploading?

  • http://bennett.com/blog Richard Bennett

    That’s not a true statement, EF, as nobody conducted extensive user testing. The EFF did a quick test from one seeder to one downloader.

    I’ve done my own equally extensive user testing on the Comcast network and found that I was able to seed TPW 34 just fine. It was slow, but it worked.

    At the moment I’m using Comcast and BitTorrent to download the King James Bible in audio book form and find it’s working fine. Do you want a copy?

  • http://bennett.com/blog Richard Bennett

    That’s not a true statement, EF, as nobody conducted extensive user testing. The EFF did a quick test from one seeder to one downloader.

    I’ve done my own equally extensive user testing on the Comcast network and found that I was able to seed TPW 34 just fine. It was slow, but it worked.

    At the moment I’m using Comcast and BitTorrent to download the King James Bible in audio book form and find it’s working fine. Do you want a copy?

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