Does It Matter Where You Went to School?

by on September 5, 2007 · 7 comments

As someone in a status-conscious profession who didn’t go to an Ivy League school, I would like to believe that Paul Granam is right about this. But although I certainly think it’s true that the value of an Ivy League education is often overstated, I don’t think it’s true that it doesn’t matter where you went to college.

To get the obvious point out of the way first, I believe him that an Ivy League education won’t make you any smarter. If you were smart when they accepted you, you’ll be just as smart when you leave. And since to a first approximation career success is a function of intelligence and determination, neither of which an Ivy League college can impart, I’m not surprised that studies have found little correlation between Ivy League attendance and lifetime earnings.

However, I think an Ivy League institution offers two important advantages, both relating to who your classmates are. First, the intelligence of your classmates determines the pace and intellectual of your classes. Professors pace their classes to be understandable to the average student. If you’re significantly smarter than the average student in a class, you’re not going to learn as much as you could be learning, and if you’re lazy and undisciplined, like I was at 19, you might get bored and stop showing up for class entirely.

Second, in most professions, who you know does matter. It matters more in some professions than others, of course, but there are hardly any professions in which it doesn’t matter at all. Indeed, Graham himself has noted that one of the best ways to meet possible startup-founder-partners is to meet them in college. And although there are smart people at every college, on the margin there will certainly be more smart people at Ivy League schools than non-Ivies.

It matters even more in public policy (this might be largely a reflection of the fact that public policy isn’t an especially meritocratic field, but I don’t think that’s the entire explanation). Being a good journalist, policy analyst, lawyer, lobbyist, etc is largely a function of knowing a lot of people who are doing things related to what you’re doing, preferably in prominent positions. If I’ve got a question on education policy, for example, it’s helpful to have in my rolodex a friend who works on education policy. People who go to Ivy League schools are likely to have a larger number of people in positions of power and influence than people who go to non-Ivies.

I would note that at least from an outsider’s perspective, at least, academia seems to be a bit of a special case in the sense that who your professors were actually does matter. Going to a good school for a PhD allows you to develop relationships with people whose recommendations will carry more weight on the academic job market. This seems to be the same mechanism that makes going to a good law school important to getting good clerkships, which in turn is a major qualification for being a law professor or judge. If you aspire to a profession in which a limited number of slots are doled out using subjective by existing elites, where you went to school can matter quite a lot.

  • http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com MikeT

    Ahh this brings back some memories of my dad lamenting how people with Ivy League degrees dominated for so long at the upper levels of government. It is a shame, really, when you consider that there is probably little practical education difference between Harvard Law and UVA Law or some other good state law school.

    Now, I wonder what we can do to limit the role of public policy wonks and lobbyists. I for one am rather sick and tired of seeing America “engineered” into some sort of monstrosity by these “social engineers.”

  • http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com MikeT

    Ahh this brings back some memories of my dad lamenting how people with Ivy League degrees dominated for so long at the upper levels of government. It is a shame, really, when you consider that there is probably little practical education difference between Harvard Law and UVA Law or some other good state law school.


    Now, I wonder what we can do to limit the role of public policy wonks and lobbyists. I for one am rather sick and tired of seeing America “engineered” into some sort of monstrosity by these “social engineers.”

  • bill

    In the hypothetical world, yeah where you went to college shouldn’t matter. But in the real world it does. This is coming from my own experience as a graduate of a fourth tier state university (I have an undergrad and two masters degrees from this school, it was my only real option because of financial and family issues). My graduating GPA was a 3.94 and I can tell you, despite my high gpa and honors, going to this school closed a lot more doors than it opened. Employers would take people with the prestigious pedigree over myself and piers routinely, many of us settled for low paying jobs in the field or simply starting working outside of our major. I agree that a great deal in life is all about work ethic and moving up on your own merit. But this is difficult when the people who graduated from elite schools get the first job over you—and remain, for the rest of your life, several steps ahead of you. Where you go to school does matter because people are people and will judge unfairly. My best advice is to stay away from any school that is not at least a second tier institution.

  • bill

    In the hypothetical world, yeah where you went to college shouldn’t matter. But in the real world it does. This is coming from my own experience as a graduate of a fourth tier state university (I have an undergrad and two masters degrees from this school, it was my only real option because of financial and family issues). My graduating GPA was a 3.94 and I can tell you, despite my high gpa and honors, going to this school closed a lot more doors than it opened. Employers would take people with the prestigious pedigree over myself and piers routinely, many of us settled for low paying jobs in the field or simply starting working outside of our major. I agree that a great deal in life is all about work ethic and moving up on your own merit. But this is difficult when the people who graduated from elite schools get the first job over you—and remain, for the rest of your life, several steps ahead of you. Where you go to school does matter because people are people and will judge unfairly. My best advice is to stay away from any school that is not at least a second tier institution.

  • keith

    I have my masters in art education from the school of the art institute of chicago. I really want to go to this second rate school with a passionate faculty. The name is not big and the program is still new. Does name recognition matter?

  • keith

    I have my masters in art education from the school of the art institute of chicago. I really want to go to this second rate school with a passionate faculty. The name is not big and the program is still new. Does name recognition matter?

  • keith

    I have my masters in art education from the school of the art institute of chicago. I really want to go to this second rate school with a passionate faculty. The name is not big and the program is still new. Does name recognition matter?

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