Corruption and the Political Process

by on June 19, 2007 · 26 comments

I have the bad feeling that I’m going to find myself disagreeing with Larry Lessig a lot more in the next few years.

Lessig did a post today announcing that he’s going to be re-orienting his research away from copyright issues:

From a public policy perspective, the question of extending existing copyright terms is, as Milton Friedman put it, a “no brainer.” As the Gowers Commission concluded in Britain, a government should never extend an existing copyright term. No public regarding justification could justify the extraordinary deadweight loss that such extensions impose. Yet governments continue to push ahead with this idiot idea — both Britain and Japan for example are considering extending existing terms. Why? The answer is a kind of corruption of the political process. Or better, a “corruption” of the political process. I don’t mean corruption in the simple sense of bribery. I mean “corruption” in the sense that the system is so queered by the influence of money that it can’t even get an issue as simple and clear as term extension right. Politicians are starved for the resources concentrated interests can provide. In the US, listening to money is the only way to secure reelection. And so an economy of influence bends public policy away from sense, always to dollars.

Now, I wholeheartedly agree with his assessment that lobbyists often corrupt the political process. And certainly copyright law—an issue on which I share almost all of his views—is a prime example of that. He’s quite right that there’s no plausible policy argument for retroactive copyright extension, yet Congress did it because of the lobbying might of the copyright lobby.

But I think he gets it completely backwards when he suggests that money has corrupted the political process. My reading of history, and my understanding of governments around the world is that this kind of corruption is almost universal in politics. As long as politicians have the power to use the powers of taxation, spending, and regulation to help some and hurt others, people will expend resources to ensure that those powers are used to benefit themselves at the expense of somebody else. Money is just one tool people employ to gain an advantage in the rent-seeking game. But there are others that I would argue are just as insidious. Nepotism and cronyism, for example. Drive money out of politics and you won’t end corruption; you’ll just shift the balance of power toward people whose influence is based on things other than deep pockets.

I think it’s particularly naive to assert that “Politicians are starved for the resources concentrated interests can provide.” Politics is a zero-sum game. Regardless of the details of a country’s lobbying or campaign financing rules, politicians in a democracy will always be looking to curry favor with those who can help them get re-elected. In the United States, that’s often people with deep pockets. In other countries where campaign contributions are more tightly regulated, the people in the position to influence an election might be corporate executives, union bosses, the media, religious leaders, the heads of powerful advocacy groups, etc.

If you’ll forgive the lapse into libertarian cliche, the fundamental problem here is concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. When Congress enacts a retroactive extension of copyright terms, it adds puts millions of dollars in the pockets of a handful of large companies and wealthy heirs. In contrast, the costs of the extension to any one individual is probably only a few dollars per year. So it’s in Disney’s interest to hire a lobbyist to lobby for the extension. But it’s very difficult to get 300 million consumers—each of whom only has a few dollars at stake—to get excited about the issue. Hence, when you turn power over the state, that power will almost always be used to the benefit of the best-organized special interests at the expense of the general public. Campaign contributions are a symptom of this problem, they are not the problem itself.

I think this difference of perspective on the political process explains my disagreement with Lessig on the other cause he’s been promoting for the last decade: government regulation of the Internet. If “corruption” is a quirk of America’s campaign financing system, then it makes sense to imagine a future in which we put non-corrupt commissioners in charge of the FCC and they administer network neutrality regulations in an un-corrupt manner. But if the logic of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs means that regulatory processes systematically favor special interest groups, as I believe they do, it doesn’t make much sense to talk about ridding the process of corruption. AT&T’s influence over the FCC does not primarily flow from campaign contributions to President Bush. It flows from the simple fact that it’s much easier for AT&T to hire telecom lobbyists to represent its interests than it is to raise the money required to hire lawyers to represent the public before the FCC.

So every time you give the FCC more authority over some aspect of the telecom industry, it tilts the balance of power toward those entrenched incumbents that are most skillful at manipulating the FCC and its regulatory processes. Yes, that’s a form of corruption. But it’s not a form of corruption we can fix by changing campaign finance or lobbying rules. It’s intrinsic to the political process. And it’s foolish to enact new regulations on the assumption that they will be enforced in a less corrupt manner than previous batches of regulation had been.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    I think you may be jumping to conclusions in suggesting that he sees the core of the solution as more regulation, Tim. I’m sure regulation may be part of the solution (he hasn’t exactly shied from it in the past), but more generally I’d guess that the thrust of his focus will be in the direction he has been working in for years- free-er manipulation of core information, better forms of feedback, more competitive media, etc. The examples here would be the freeing of the debates and his incessant speaking and blogging rather than the suggestion that the FCC regulate network neutrality.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    I think you may be jumping to conclusions in suggesting that he sees the core of the solution as more regulation, Tim. I’m sure regulation may be part of the solution (he hasn’t exactly shied from it in the past), but more generally I’d guess that the thrust of his focus will be in the direction he has been working in for years- free-er manipulation of core information, better forms of feedback, more competitive media, etc. The examples here would be the freeing of the debates and his incessant speaking and blogging rather than the suggestion that the FCC regulate network neutrality.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    I can hope! It’s true that his post was vague enough that I don’t really have a clue what his specific research agenda will be. I guess I’ll have to wait and see.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    I think deliberately vague. Keep in mind that this isn’t completely selfless sacrifice on his part- being a professed amateur in a new field means that he can spend several years staying at home and raising his children, and his absence will allow his movements to grow a new generation of much-needed leadership in the resulting vacuum. If he explicitly linked the two right now, he’d still be chained to the old responsibilities and take up air from the new leaders who will replace him. Furthermore, if he said from day one ‘free culture is the solution to corruption’ he’d be stigmatized from day one as ‘the free culture guy’, rather than being ‘just’ a skilled public intellectual with a neutral approach to methods. Much more likely to get cooperation from entrenched interests that way. If he does anything well, it is shucking off the rhetorical shackles of those who have proceeded him (e.g., Stallman) and using the perceived clean slate to bring the same ideas to a broader audience. Here, ironically, the person who he is competing with (potentially) is himself- all the more reason for him to publicly disclaim his past and start fresh, even if in the long term he plans to return to the same roots as part of the solution.

    Of course, this could all just be denial; check my blog in the morning for a deeply personal and emotional post on his announcement- I wouldn’t be who I am without Lessig, so the announcement

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    Doh. ‘so the announcement…’ has really been in the forefront of my mind all night, especially as I’ve occasionally of late questioned my own decision to focus my career on social production. If only I had a tenured position at Stanford to fall back on while I changed my focus, it might be easier to do ;)

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    “But I think he gets it completely backwards when he suggests that money has corrupted the political process …”

    Yes, well, that’s because you’re a Libertarian, which, not to be harsh on you personally, worships business. And holds that the best society is one which maximizes the powers of money versus any other value.

    Others, err, disagree.

    One flaw in the post above is right here: “Drive money out of politics and you won’t end corruption; you’ll just shift …”

    This implicitly assumes all corruption is equivalent, and excludes a line of reasoning that runs “Drive money out of politics ,and while you won’t end corruption, you’ll keep it at a lower level than otherwise”.

    I’m not going to go into the rest of the flaws, life’s too short. Suffice it to say that line of proselytizing has been heard many times.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Seth, do you read what I write here on TLF, or do you just pop in occasionally to hector me? Because I don’t think anyone could plausibly characterize it as worshipping business.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    I can hope! It’s true that his post was vague enough that I don’t really have a clue what his specific research agenda will be. I guess I’ll have to wait and see.

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    As I said, no personal offense intended. I used to read what you wrote a bit more regularly, but I’ve dropped down my TLF reading in general recently, since it’s probably not helpful all around. I came by today because Lessig’s post struck a chord in me.

    I think you’re misreading what I mean by “worship business”, in that I mean it as an ideal, not any particular existing players (I sometimes say, busines as a verb, not a noun). That is, you’re not a Republican (1/2 :-) ).

    With that understanding, I hope the criticism is clearer. The point is that Libertarianism is an extraordinarily money-centric way of thinking (this is not debateable – anything that seriously talks about the virtues of selling your internal organs or your kids should not protest that characterization), so people who subscribe to it are going to have a hard time dealing with crticisms of money’s influence.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    I think deliberately vague. Keep in mind that this isn’t completely selfless sacrifice on his part- being a professed amateur in a new field means that he can spend several years staying at home and raising his children, and his absence will allow his movements to grow a new generation of much-needed leadership in the resulting vacuum. If he explicitly linked the two right now, he’d still be chained to the old responsibilities and take up air from the new leaders who will replace him. Furthermore, if he said from day one ‘free culture is the solution to corruption’ he’d be stigmatized from day one as ‘the free culture guy’, rather than being ‘just’ a skilled public intellectual with a neutral approach to methods. Much more likely to get cooperation from entrenched interests that way. If he does anything well, it is shucking off the rhetorical shackles of those who have proceeded him (e.g., Stallman) and using the perceived clean slate to bring the same ideas to a broader audience. Here, ironically, the person who he is competing with (potentially) is himself- all the more reason for him to publicly disclaim his past and start fresh, even if in the long term he plans to return to the same roots as part of the solution.

    Of course, this could all just be denial; check my blog in the morning for a deeply personal and emotional post on his announcement- I wouldn’t be who I am without Lessig, so the announcement

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    Doh. ‘so the announcement…’ has really been in the forefront of my mind all night, especially as I’ve occasionally of late questioned my own decision to focus my career on social production. If only I had a tenured position at Stanford to fall back on while I changed my focus, it might be easier to do ;)

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    “But I think he gets it completely backwards when he suggests that money has corrupted the political process …”

    Yes, well, that’s because you’re a Libertarian, which, not to be harsh on you personally, worships business. And holds that the best society is one which maximizes the powers of money versus any other value.

    Others, err, disagree.

    One flaw in the post above is right here: “Drive money out of politics and you won’t end corruption; you’ll just shift …”

    This implicitly assumes all corruption is equivalent, and excludes a line of reasoning that runs “Drive money out of politics ,and while you won’t end corruption, you’ll keep it at a lower level than otherwise”.

    I’m not going to go into the rest of the flaws, life’s too short. Suffice it to say that line of proselytizing has been heard many times.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Seth, do you read what I write here on TLF, or do you just pop in occasionally to hector me? Because I don’t think anyone could plausibly characterize it as worshipping business.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    (That personal post is now up.)

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    As I said, no personal offense intended. I used to read what you wrote a bit more regularly, but I’ve dropped down my TLF reading in general recently, since it’s probably not helpful all around. I came by today because Lessig’s post struck a chord in me.

    I think you’re misreading what I mean by “worship business”, in that I mean it as an ideal, not any particular existing players (I sometimes say, busines as a verb, not a noun). That is, you’re not a Republican (1/2 :-) ).

    With that understanding, I hope the criticism is clearer. The point is that Libertarianism is an extraordinarily money-centric way of thinking (this is not debateable – anything that seriously talks about the virtues of selling your internal organs or your kids should not protest that characterization), so people who subscribe to it are going to have a hard time dealing with crticisms of money’s influence.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    (That personal post is now up.)

  • Brian Moore

    Seth, you don’t understand libertarianism, or money.

    “And holds that the best society is one which maximizes the powers of money versus any other value.”

    Yeah, you don’t get it. Money isn’t a thing. It’s a subjective, conveniently collectively-understood expression of value “this truck is worth 10$ to me.” So forget the word “money” — so long as people have things worth value, they will attempt to trade them for things with a higher value to them. In many cases, you can trade things to politicians in order to get them to force other people to do things that get you even more things.

    To stop this problem, you have to remove at least one of: 1. People wanting more than they have. (money, cars, goats, land, whatever) 2. The political power to grant those value increasing trades.

    You can’t remove “money” from the equation because it’s not a thing. It’s an expression of how much people value things, and you can’t exactly remove that. If it weren’t dollars it would be camels or pretty stones or back massages.

    You say we ignore:

    “Drive money out of politics ,and while you won’t end corruption, you’ll keep it at a lower level than otherwise”.

    So in societies that have abolished currency, has there been less corruption?

    You say we’re the ones obsessed with money, yet we’re saying that you can bribe people in a lot more ways than with money.

  • Brian Moore

    Seth, you don’t understand libertarianism, or money.

    “And holds that the best society is one which maximizes the powers of money versus any other value.”

    Yeah, you don’t get it. Money isn’t a thing. It’s a subjective, conveniently collectively-understood expression of value “this truck is worth 10$ to me.” So forget the word “money” — so long as people have things worth value, they will attempt to trade them for things with a higher value to them. In many cases, you can trade things to politicians in order to get them to force other people to do things that get you even more things.

    To stop this problem, you have to remove at least one of:
    1. People wanting more than they have. (money, cars, goats, land, whatever)
    2. The political power to grant those value increasing trades.

    You can’t remove “money” from the equation because it’s not a thing. It’s an expression of how much people value things, and you can’t exactly remove that. If it weren’t dollars it would be camels or pretty stones or back massages.

    You say we ignore:

    “Drive money out of politics ,and while you won’t end corruption, you’ll keep it at a lower level than otherwise”.

    So in societies that have abolished currency, has there been less corruption?

    You say we’re the ones obsessed with money, yet we’re saying that you can bribe people in a lot more ways than with money.

  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G2287 ATFlynn

    I understand the argument but the quality of the language is well above me. If you look at my BBC, Website, I have suggested that once you remove the power to levy Taxation, from the government of the day, the government has to govern in the interers of all the people. Today, with Information Technology, and a shift in the practice of employment and remuneration or wages, it is legally possible in the United Kingdom to receive your income beyond the jurisdiction of the Treasury and HMRC. From there it is only a short step to establish what I call a Parish Council Tax Collecton unit. But the rate of Taxation will remain with the Parishoners. I am also sure that this concept will work for many other European Countries. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G2287 The URL of, Sovereignty Politics Taxation. All things Bright and Beautiful. Top of the Google Search Engine. (Very Primitive. My scribble.) Regards, ATFlynn.

  • http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G2287 ATFlynn

    I understand the argument but the quality of the language is well above me.
    If you look at my BBC, Website, I have suggested that once you remove the power to levy Taxation, from the government of the day, the government has to govern in the interers of all the people.
    Today, with Information Technology, and a shift in the practice of employment and remuneration or wages, it is legally possible in the United Kingdom to receive your income beyond the jurisdiction of the Treasury and HMRC. From there it is only a short step to establish what I call a Parish Council Tax Collecton unit. But the rate of Taxation will remain with the Parishoners.
    I am also sure that this concept will work for many other European Countries.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/actionnetwork/G2287
    The URL of, Sovereignty Politics Taxation. All things Bright and Beautiful.
    Top of the Google Search Engine. (Very Primitive. My scribble.)
    Regards, ATFlynn.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/contributors/braden_cox.php Braden

    Tim and Brian, great comments. Libertarianism is often (mis)understood to be pro-business and money-centric, which confuses the effect of public policies (less regulation of markets and businesses) with the underlying motivation (freedom, voluntary association, mechanisms for assigning value). And despite popular notions to the contrary, I view libertarianism to be the most pragmatic of all the political philosophies, because it is the one that truly recognizes how people will behave given institutional arrangements and incentives, no matter what the letter of the law. So we’ll have influence-buying despite campaign finance reform, it’ll just be less direct and transparent than if through dollar donations. Libertarians are also more pragmatic when it comes to recognizing the costs and failures of government. As Tim said, it’s hard to mobilize the millions of Americans who are only marginally negatively affected to fight legislation if it benefits a vocal and visible few. Multiply this affect many times over and you have our present day over-regulated society.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/contributors/braden_cox.php Braden

    Tim and Brian, great comments. Libertarianism is often (mis)understood to be pro-business and money-centric, which confuses the effect of public policies (less regulation of markets and businesses) with the underlying motivation (freedom, voluntary association, mechanisms for assigning value). And despite popular notions to the contrary, I view libertarianism to be the most pragmatic of all the political philosophies, because it is the one that truly recognizes how people will behave given institutional arrangements and incentives, no matter what the letter of the law. So we’ll have influence-buying despite campaign finance reform, it’ll just be less direct and transparent than if through dollar donations. Libertarians are also more pragmatic when it comes to recognizing the costs and failures of government. As Tim said, it’s hard to mobilize the millions of Americans who are only marginally negatively affected to fight legislation if it benefits a vocal and visible few. Multiply this affect many times over and you have our present day over-regulated society.

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    ” … because it is the one that truly recognizes how people will behave …”

    I could write a longer rebuttal, but I think that says it all.

    Well, one hint: The fact that people will sell their internal organs rather than die outright is not a deep philosophical revelation. But thinking that’s so, is a profound philosophical shallowness.

  • http://sethf.com/ Seth Finkelstein

    ” … because it is the one that truly recognizes how people will behave …”

    I could write a longer rebuttal, but I think that says it all.

    Well, one hint: The fact that people will sell their internal organs rather than die outright is not a deep philosophical revelation. But thinking that’s so, is a profound philosophical shallowness.

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