James V. Delong on GPL3, Again.

by on April 2, 2007 · 12 comments

Again, I quote with permission from Jim on the ipcentral blog:

Obviously, last week’s release of new draft of GPLv3 was a big deal in the software world, but the discussion has taken a strange turn. The tech media all did their job — reporting, interviewing, analyzing. But the discussion boards, both “community” and business, are oddly uninformative. Some big questions swirl around how GPLv3 would work in the real world, and, above all, how would it affect the customers’ and the whole tech world’s need for both interoperability and transaction costs that are low and predictable.

For example, how does v3 affect the long-standing issue of dynamic linking of proprietary aps and GPL’ed code? What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party, so no one knows whether companies such as Google should sign on to GPLv3 or run for the hills. Would it be possible for content companies to use DRM with GPLv3′ed software or not? What is the impact of the “get MSFT/NOVL” clauses on other patent issues? How will makers of consumer electronics react to the license provisions governing embedded software, and how would the “community” react to a shift of code from software to hardware in such devices? I can’t answer any of these — and I am not getting much help. The community boards are mostly diatribes. As noted, the press has done its job, but the reporters are mostly puzzled by these same issues. The Linux Foundation has not even noted the release of the GPLv3 and the corporate blogs of Sun, IBM, mentioned the release in passing and then clammed up. The Free Software Foundation’s materials are off in a world of abstractions. Hopefully, the parties have digested the materials over the weekend and some answers will appear this week.

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch
    “What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,…”

    It’s not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code.

    It’s a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one’s modifications), but doesn’t oblige it (you don’t have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want).

    The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one’s modifications free of charge.

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch
    “What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,…”



    It’s not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code.


    It’s a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one’s modifications), but doesn’t oblige it (you don’t have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want).


    The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one’s modifications free of charge.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    This sounds like “I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn’t have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key.”

    Why should a “community” offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author’s intent? Sounds like “inducement” — the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    This sounds like “I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn’t have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key.”

    Why should a “community” offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author’s intent? Sounds like “inducement” — the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you’ve read this board enough, you’d see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

    Hail to the proletariat!

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    …and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that “some innovations might not happen” simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman’s four freedoms.

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you’ve read this board enough, you’d see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

    Hail to the proletariat!

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    …and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that “some innovations might not happen” simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman’s four freedoms.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/ enigma_foundry

    despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

    Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.

    GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP…

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com eee_eff

    despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

    Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.

    GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP…

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?

    Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don’t be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS’ commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.

  • http://ipcentral.info Noel Le

    Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?

    Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don’t be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS’ commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.

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