Everyone’s a Deconstructionist Now

by on March 7, 2007 · 24 comments

My DRM piece was noted in a piece on fair use and DRM. I am among other things critiqued for referring to information as a “product” and the end user as a “consumer.” For Pete’s sake! The article adds some more substantive claims about fair use, which I’m happy to respond to. But before I get there, enough of the deconstruction already!

Quite a lot of energy is being expended in various circles thinking about what language is used to frame various debates in copyright. It’s not that the issue isn’t worth thinking about at all–language can be used in tricky ways and carelessly, so that the underlying concepts are obfuscated. But for the most part, if the concepts are the problem, fiddling with the language won’t fix it. Some people use the concepts of efficiency and marginal cost pricinghttp://weblog.ipcentral.info/archives/2006/08/the_marginal_co.html in ways

never intended by economists (more here)–but using different words to mean the same thing isn’t going to help their argument.

Further examples–there’s the question of whether the term “intellectual property” is proper, and when it was coined. Of whether one ought to refer to illegal copying as “theft” or “piracy.” Clearly there are substantive issues involving the similarities and differences between physical property, patents, and copyright; furthermore, there are important historical questions about the constitutional status of copyright and patents. But one doesn’t get anywhere in resolving those issues by choosing, or not choosing, certain terms. If instead we carefully say, “the set of valuable assets consisting of rights described by patent or copyright law,” we get a heck of a mouthful–and possibly lose our audience for a second while he thinks “oh, she means IP,” but we aren’t any closer to resolving the substantive issue.

There are valid two reasons I can think of for fussing about the language. One is if the person using the language in question is using it to whip up prejudice. But, well, it has been some decades since the invocation of terms like “property,” “piracy,” or “theft,” had the emotional impact they had in Jane Austen’s time, except perhaps in some limited conservative circles. So that particular concern seems… archaic.

A second reason is if the language is being used in a way that is conclusory or circular or to beg the underlying substantive question. Happens, certainly. But not every debate needs to start from square one–using shorthand to bring in other concepts without elucidating them fully has to be allowed, or every conversation would last 48 hours. If one is talking about the impact of P2P downloading on sales, for example, and uses the term “piracy,” well, surely everyone knows what that means, and initiating a digression that addresses the conceptual similarities and differences between downloading and pillage on the high seas is and the policy significance of this, well, beside the point. So long as the latter conceptual/policy debate about the differences between physical and intellectual property is taking place somewhere, which it is.

Which brings me at last to the substantive argument raised in the “critique” of my paper–that is, that DRM can interfere with fair use in ways that might not go away in negotiations between seller and buyer, such as parody or the use of clips in a critique. This is the hard core of fair use, what one might well left when one a market in which one can choose to buy the right to make a backup copy or not, or buy clips to use in a term paper or what have you; all this follows from a transaction costs theory of fair use. The interests of copyright holder and documentarian might be sufficiently opposed that they would not reach agreement; on the other hand, the documentarian might be very well served by a sufficiently robust market for clips.

The problem of the parody/critique is a (narrow) subtopic of DRM discussions getting into detail well beyond the scope of my paper, which was a) short and b) general. More importantly, the problem isn’t really a DRM/DMCA problem as such–one would have the same problem with EULA’s, even in the absence of DRM. Suppose, for example, hypothetically, that Fox News was DRM’d, so you couldn’t easily stitch clips into a critique. Well, you can still patch them together by filming the screen and recording the audio–vive l’analog hole. Or recreate them with actors or claymation. Or… you get the idea. Your real problem would come not from the obstacle posed by the DRM but by any restrictions in a EULA–hypothetically, a clause flatly prohibiting parody or critique. The question is, will fair use law prevail here, or freedom of contract?

This is a fine issue to discuss at length, but however way it is resolved has no bearing on the general soundess of the argument in my paper. And resolving the issue won’t turn on whether information has “producers” or “consumers” or whatever the heck one thinks one ought to calls those things.

More of our writings on fair use, parody, and so on here and here and here and here, with more here and a bit of perspective here) and here.

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    Language is being refined in order to serve as a shibboleth between IP maximalists and libertarians.

    You call your audience consumers and you betray your contempt for them.

    You pretend that DRM manages your rights, and you betray your contempt for the rights of the public.

    You pretend that you continue to own your intellectual property even after you’ve delivered it to the public, and you betray your contempt for the very concept of property itself.

    By all means hold the public in contempt, as a passive cash cow to be exploited, but your language will betray you.

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    Language is being refined in order to serve as a shibboleth between IP maximalists and libertarians.

    You call your audience consumers and you betray your contempt for them.

    You pretend that DRM manages your rights, and you betray your contempt for the rights of the public.

    You pretend that you continue to own your intellectual property even after you’ve delivered it to the public, and you betray your contempt for the very concept of property itself.

    By all means hold the public in contempt, as a passive cash cow to be exploited, but your language will betray you.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    But one doesn’t get anywhere in resolving those issues by choosing, or not choosing, certain terms. If instead we carefully say, “the set of valuable assets consisting of rights described by patent or copyright law,” we get a heck of a mouthful—and possibly lose our audience for a second while he thinks “oh, she means IP,” but we aren’t any closer to resolving the substantive issue.

    What’s wrong with “copyrights” and “patents?” I think part of the problem with the term “intellectual property” is that it encourages people to think about the legal regimes of copyright and patent—which are historically, legally, and economically distinct—as though they’re two facets of the same institution, rather than two separate institutions that have been lumped together by academics.

    This is a problem because often people will make arguments for or against “intellectual property” that only make sense with respect to copyright, but not patents—or vice versa. I think it would greatly enhance the clarity of our ideas if we just used the name for the actual regime we’re discussing, since most of the time, a given argument is only about one regime or the other. (In this case, you’re talking about copyright law, not patent law)

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    But one doesn’t get anywhere in resolving those issues by choosing, or not choosing, certain terms. If instead we carefully say, “the set of valuable assets consisting of rights described by patent or copyright law,” we get a heck of a mouthful—and possibly lose our audience for a second while he thinks “oh, she means IP,” but we aren’t any closer to resolving the substantive issue.

    What’s wrong with “copyrights” and “patents?” I think part of the problem with the term “intellectual property” is that it encourages people to think about the legal regimes of copyright and patent—which are historically, legally, and economically distinct—as though they’re two facets of the same institution, rather than two separate institutions that have been lumped together by academics.

    This is a problem because often people will make arguments for or against “intellectual property” that only make sense with respect to copyright, but not patents—or vice versa. I think it would greatly enhance the clarity of our ideas if we just used the name for the actual regime we’re discussing, since most of the time, a given argument is only about one regime or the other. (In this case, you’re talking about copyright law, not patent law)

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    I think part of the problem with the term “intellectual property” is that it encourages people to think about the legal regimes of copyright and patent—which are historically, legally, and economically distinct

    Tim, so what is wrong with thinking of copyrights and patens as different kinds of intellectual property? And exactly which academics lumped together copyrights and patents under the term intellectual property?

    This is a problem because often people will make arguments for or against “intellectual property” that only make sense with respect to copyright, but not patents—or vice versa.

    Yes, thats why context is important.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    I think part of the problem with the term “intellectual property” is that it encourages people to think about the legal regimes of copyright and patent—which are historically, legally, and economically distinct

    Tim, so what is wrong with thinking of copyrights and patens as different kinds of intellectual property? And exactly which academics lumped together copyrights and patents under the term intellectual property?

    This is a problem because often people will make arguments for or against “intellectual property” that only make sense with respect to copyright, but not patents—or vice versa.

    Yes, thats why context is important.

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    It depends upon whether you believe IP describes the creative work, or the transferable legal privileges that are granted to the work’s creator.

    In my book IP describes the work.

    Copyright and patents are privileges conferred to IP producers that may be licensed, bought and sold.

    IP itself may be retained (kept secret), restrictively circulated (shared under NDA), or published (shared without NDA).

  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    It depends upon whether you believe IP describes the creative work, or the transferable legal privileges that are granted to the work’s creator.

    In my book IP describes the work.

    Copyright and patents are privileges conferred to IP producers that may be licensed, bought and sold.

    IP itself may be retained (kept secret), restrictively circulated (shared under NDA), or published (shared without NDA).

  • Doug Lay

    Metaphors matter, even if the terms in question don’t seem hot-button. The word “property” comes with thousands of years of cultural baggage. Is it appropriate to casually transfer that baggage over to the realm of intellectual creations? Maybe not. I certainly note with some satisfaction that the folks who seem fondest of the property metaphor were generally among the folks most alarmed/disappointed by the Supreme Court’s Ebay decision.

  • Doug Lay

    Metaphors matter, even if the terms in question don’t seem hot-button. The word “property” comes with thousands of years of cultural baggage. Is it appropriate to casually transfer that baggage over to the realm of intellectual creations? Maybe not. I certainly note with some satisfaction that the folks who seem fondest of the property metaphor were generally among the folks most alarmed/disappointed by the Supreme Court’s Ebay decision.

  • Doug Lay

    Regarding the issue of contracting away Fair Use rights, I would prefer that the courts find void any EULA or other “shrink-wrap” contract that curbs uses that would be legal under Fair Use. That may make me a bad libertarian in some folks eyes, but I don’t much care – I never call myself a libertarian, just a guy who (usually) admires how well free markets work.

  • Doug Lay

    Regarding the issue of contracting away Fair Use rights, I would prefer that the courts find void any EULA or other “shrink-wrap” contract that curbs uses that would be legal under Fair Use. That may make me a bad libertarian in some folks eyes, but I don’t much care – I never call myself a libertarian, just a guy who (usually) admires how well free markets work.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, this might interest you- Daniel Laster, The Secret Is Out: Patent Law Preempts Mass Market License Terms Barring Reverse Engineering for Interoperability Purposes, ExpressO Preprint Series Working Paper 975 (February 2006).

    As far as restricting contracts pertainable to IPRs, well, you have to think of the implications on FOSS licenses as well.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, this might interest you- Daniel Laster, The Secret Is Out: Patent Law Preempts Mass Market License Terms Barring Reverse Engineering for Interoperability Purposes, ExpressO Preprint Series Working Paper 975 (February 2006).

    As far as restricting contracts pertainable to IPRs, well, you have to think of the implications on FOSS licenses as well.

  • Anonymous

    No link? If it’s not available on the Internet I’m unlikely to take the time to look for it. Sorry.

    As far as restricting contracts pertainable to IPRs, well, you have to think of the implications on FOSS licenses as well.

    If an open-source clickthrough license curbs fair use rights, then I think that part of the license should be void.

  • Anonymous

    No link? If it’s not available on the Internet I’m unlikely to take the time to look for it. Sorry.

    > As far as restricting contracts pertainable to IPRs, well, you have to think of the implications on FOSS licenses as well.

    If an open-source clickthrough license curbs fair use rights, then I think that part of the license should be void.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, email me at nle@pff.org. I’ll send you the article. I don’t want to post the link as it will get stuck in the spam filter.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, email me at nle@pff.org. I’ll send you the article. I don’t want to post the link as it will get stuck in the spam filter.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Noel, I’ve toned down the spam filter, so it should work. And you’ve always been able to put URLs in the text of comments.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Noel, I’ve toned down the spam filter, so it should work. And you’ve always been able to put URLs in the text of comments.

  • Doug Lay

    Never mind, I found the article. Looks inteesting. I’ll read more when I have time.

  • Doug Lay

    Never mind, I found the article. Looks inteesting. I’ll read more when I have time.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, also check out these articles which propose several limitations to the DMCA’s anticircumvention provision leveraging existing copyright doctrine. I found them good readings, and obviously because I’m introducing them to you, I agree to some extent that the anticircumvention provision should not act as a draconian barr to potentially important reverse engineering and fair use.

    Tim, if you read these articles and consequently change your argument to repeal the DMCA, I might spend a day writing in support of Linux and against software patents. Perhaps April 1st may be a good target date:)

    Donna L. Lee, Reverse Engineering of Computer Programs Under the DMCA: Recognizing A “Fair Access” Defense, 10 Marq. Intell. Prop. L. Rev. 537 (Summer 2006).

    Victor Nicholas Knipe from Georgetown University Law Center. Private Copyright: Digital Rights Management Systems and the Consumer, ExpressO Preprint Series Working Paper 2024 (February 2007). Available at Bepress.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel Le

    Doug, also check out these articles which propose several limitations to the DMCA’s anticircumvention provision leveraging existing copyright doctrine. I found them good readings, and obviously because I’m introducing them to you, I agree to some extent that the anticircumvention provision should not act as a draconian barr to potentially important reverse engineering and fair use.

    Tim, if you read these articles and consequently change your argument to repeal the DMCA, I might spend a day writing in support of Linux and against software patents. Perhaps April 1st may be a good target date:)

    Donna L. Lee, Reverse Engineering of Computer Programs Under the DMCA: Recognizing A “Fair Access” Defense, 10 Marq. Intell. Prop. L. Rev. 537 (Summer 2006).

    Victor Nicholas Knipe from Georgetown University Law Center. Private Copyright: Digital Rights Management Systems and the Consumer, ExpressO Preprint Series Working Paper 2024 (February 2007). Available at Bepress.

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