It might be good to try a little harder on copyright

by on February 15, 2012 · 20 comments

Kevin Drum and Tim Lee have been having an interesting exchange about whether those of us who oppose granting copyright holders stronger enforcement powers feel this way because we are ideologically opposed to IP protection. Tim points out that copyright owners have, as a matter of fact, received greater and greater enforcement powers–almost on an annual basis. As a result, Tim says, “most of us are not anti-copyright; we just think enough is enough, and that the menu of enforcement tools Congress has already given to copyright holders is more than sufficient.”

Sufficient for what, though? Sufficient to significantly reduce piracy online? That’s certainly not the case. Piracy is rampant on the net. Some would say, though, that the only meaningful ways left to enforce copyright would (dare I say it?) break the Internet as we know it.

So I think that when Tim says that the powers copyright holders now have are “more than sufficient,” I think he means sufficient to provide an incentive to create. After all, the purpose of copyright is to “promote the progress of science,” not to protect some Lockean notion of property. It may be the case that while owners’ rights are no doubt being violated, a further reduction in piracy won’t affect the incentive to create.

This is why many, including Julian Sanchez, Tim O’Reilly, Mike Masnick and Jonathan Coulton, question whether piracy is really a problem at all. That is, they don’t believe it may be the case that the present level of piracy doesn’t hurt content owners’ bottom lines because it’s clear that not every infringement would have otherwise been a sale. If that’s the case, then the costs of new enforcement powers would outweigh any benefits. So, the argument goes, we should do nothing.

Another argument might be that even if there is some harm on the margin to content owners from piracy–some reduction in the incentive to create–the toll a bill like SOPA would take on free speech and innovation are just not worth the reduction in piracy. So, again, we should do nothing.

Two observations about this. First, many folks, including many policymakers, do in fact take a Lockean view of copyright. I think this is why many persons believe that opponents of new legislation are secretly IP anarchists. We need to do a better job of explaining the utilitarian purpose of Copyright. (I like to tell my friends on the Right that I’m for the “originalist vision of copyright” that the Founding Fathers intended.)

Second, it’s practically impossible to figure out the exact effect of online piracy on the economy, let alone creators’ incentives. In my view the truth is much closer to the “there’s no problem” end of the spectrum than to the inflated estimates put forth by the content industry. But, it’s certainly possible that there is too much piracy. If that’s the case, and we do believe in copyright, then I think it’s incumbent upon us to try to develop alternatives to reduce piracy without breaking the Internet. I’m not saying we should advocate for these, just that we should think about what those are.

If nothing else, we’ll be able to point to these alternatives when the next SOPA is portrayed as the only possible solution. Otherwise, people like RIAA President Cary Sherman will get away with saying that we have no “constructive alternatives” or that we’re IP anarchists.

Kevin Drum thinks that we may yet see a technical solution emerge that reduces piracy while preserving an open Internet. That may be, but color me skeptical. I think it will have to be a legislative solution. What that should be, I don’t know. The OPEN Act is one alternative. Compulsory licensing, however unpopular, is another way to tackle the issue. I’m sure there are others.

It’s a hard problem, and there are no easy answers. But if we do believe in copyright, then I think the intellectually honest thing to do is to spend some time thinking about how to reduce piracy, on the margin, without breaking the Internet. We can do this at the same time we fight for greater recognition of fair use, to protect the public domain, and to roll back terms and other over-reaching in copyright.

  • Julian Sanchez

    Apparently I haven’t been scrupulous enough about inserting a “to be sure” clause when I’m calling out the content industries on their fabricated statistics… but this is a little like my claiming you think cybersecurity “isn’t really a problem at all” because you point out how thin is the basis for apocalyptic “cyberwar” claims. 

    I’m actually in the camp you describe as “another sort of argument”: Piracy pretty clearly inflicts some costs on those industries, and very likely some (harder to quantify) net cost to the economy as well.  The question is whether we have evidence that it’s SO large that even a quite small reduction (under the best case scenario for SOPA—and even that, I suspect, is optimistic beyond the very short term) would be worth the costs of this elaborate blocking  and filtering scheme. 

  • http://aheram.com Jayel Aheram

    I am sorry, but you cannot homestead on an idea. And anyone who thinks that their copyright claim gives them a moral right to my tangible property is an anti-private property statist.

  • http://jerrybrito.com Jerry Brito

    I’m sorry if you feel offended, but that wasn’t my intention. I said that you question whether there’s a problem, and that’s what you do, right? I understand (and appreciate) what you’re doing. Would you like me to make a correction?

    What do you think about my main point?

  • http://twitter.com/binarybits Timothy B. Lee

    Great post Jerry! I hope you don’t mind if I push back on this part:

    “Another argument might be that even if there is some harm on the margin to content owners from piracy–some reduction in the incentive to create–the toll a bill like SOPA would take on free speech and innovation are just not worth the reduction in piracy. So, again, we should do nothing.”

    The right conclusion from this line of reasoning isn’t necessarily “we should do nothing.” It might be (indeed I think it is) “we long ago passed the optimal level of copyright enforcement and so we should repeal parts of the NET Act, DMCA, PRO-IP Act, etc.” Remember, this is a symmetrical situation. Just as more enforcement might do more harm than good, so paring back enforcement might, at the margin, do more good than harm.

    In a sane world, that’s the debate we’d be having: people like Sherman would be arguing for more enforcement, and people like me would be arguing for less enforcement (but not zero enforcement!), with “doing nothing” as a centrist position. Instead, Sherman’s side has successfully framed things so that “doing nothing” (in the sense of preserving the status quo) is treated as tantamount to “doing nothing” (in the sense of repealing all copyright laws). And so every year the goalposts shift a little further in his direction.

  • Julian Sanchez

    Offended? No, of course not; just want to keep clear a distinction between “not a problem of any sort at all” and “not demonstrably a problem of the magnitude people demanding immediate drastic measures keep claiming.”  I think I was probably more explicit about that in the first of two Cato blog posts on the subject, but only the second ended up getting picked up at Ars & Wired.

    As for the broader point, my first-pass impression is that something like OPEN would probably do more good than harm, though mostly as regards the more tractable issue of counterfeit goods sales.  But as Tim observes, we’ve spent the past 15 years ratcheting up copyright enforcement, and I’m not hugely optimistic that there’s a lot of low hanging fruit left out there. If you think there’s a good low-cost legal mechanism for appreciably reducing piracy, then as the Beatles would say, we’d all love to see the plan. But I don’t think the reason we’re not seeing many promising proposals is that nobody’s thought about it hard enough yet.

  • Glenn McGrath

    Ideas are not tangible property.

    Classifying a person as an ‘anti-private property statist’ doesnt mean sharing ideas is bad, whats your point ?

  • Ryan Radia

    If Congress elects to ramp up enforcement of copyrights, perhaps it should also ramp down the scope of exclusive expressions. Enact something like OPEN, while also imposing a mandatory renewal and registration (with a fee) after, say, 14 or 28  years for all new works. That way, access and incentives expand; lots of works that nobody is actively monetizing to a substantial extent will begin entering the public domain after a reasonable time. Creators won’t exactly be overjoyed about having to renew their copyrights, but enhanced enforcement — and, thus, less free-riding and greater legitimate consumption — may well offset any losses due to a renewal/fee requirement. 

  • Ryan Radia

    If Congress elects to ramp up enforcement of copyrights, perhaps it should also ramp down the scope of exclusive expressions. Enact something like OPEN, while also imposing a mandatory renewal and registration (with a fee) after, say, 14 or 28  years for all new works. That way, access and incentives expand; lots of works that nobody is actively monetizing to a substantial extent will begin entering the public domain after a reasonable time. Creators won’t exactly be overjoyed about having to renew their copyrights, but enhanced enforcement — and, thus, less free-riding and greater legitimate consumption — may well offset any losses due to a renewal/fee requirement. 

  • Ryan Radia

    If Congress elects to ramp up enforcement of copyrights, perhaps it should also ramp down the scope of exclusive expressions. Enact something like OPEN, while also imposing a mandatory renewal and registration (with a fee) after, say, 14 or 28  years for all new works. That way, access and incentives expand; lots of works that nobody is actively monetizing to a substantial extent will begin entering the public domain after a reasonable time. Creators won’t exactly be overjoyed about having to renew their copyrights, but enhanced enforcement — and, thus, less free-riding and greater legitimate consumption — may well offset any losses due to a renewal/fee requirement. 

  • http://twitter.com/binarybits Timothy B. Lee

    Totally agree. If the debate were about a package of enhanced enforcement plus liberalizations, I’d be very interested in finding a deal that makes both sides happy. But in reality, anything Congress passes will consist entirely of more enforcement. And no matter what Congress passes now, the content industries will be back next year arguing that the last bill didn’t go far enough.

  • http://twitter.com/binarybits Timothy B. Lee

    Totally agree. If the debate were about a package of enhanced enforcement plus liberalizations, I’d be very interested in finding a deal that makes both sides happy. But in reality, anything Congress passes will consist entirely of more enforcement. And no matter what Congress passes now, the content industries will be back next year arguing that the last bill didn’t go far enough.

  • http://srynas.blogspot.com/ Steve R.

    An obvious solution restore the copyright privilege to what it was originally envisioned. Return infringement complaints to a civil judicial process. Finally, those who seek to protect their content from infringement should not have a “right” to deprive others of their civil liberties and due process in that quest.

  • http://srynas.blogspot.com/ Steve R.

    An obvious solution restore the copyright privilege to what it was originally envisioned. Return infringement complaints to a civil judicial process. Finally, those who seek to protect their content from infringement should not have a “right” to deprive others of their civil liberties and due process in that quest.

  • Byte

    What seems to be forgotten is the tools we have now at our disposal are unprecedented. Back in the 80s, if you wanted a copy of Aesop’s Fables (for simplicity’s sake: in the Public Domain for millennia) you had to go to a bookstore, plunk down your cash, and receive a stack of paper (the person next in line was doing the same for the latest thriller). People didn’t own printing presses. They didn’t own vinyl stamping factories. They didn’t own film processing factories. Did people care about copyright? Of course not, it didn’t matter to them. Copyright has been a thing outside of the public until fairly recently.

    This is the 21st century. Everyone has these tools at their disposal. Not just to make copies, but also to create derivative works.

    Should copyright be as rigid as it was before? Should terms be as long as they are now? Should individual members of the public, who use copyrighted works for not-for-profit ends be subjected to persecution?

    That’s the fun thing with democracy. If you live in a democratic country (i.e. not in the US or Canada), your vote actually counts. So if you decide to vote for a little fringe party, let’s call it the Pirate Party, it gets a bit bigger. And more people notice. And vote. And before you know it, this party starts getting seats. And the more the Media Tarkins squeeze, the more voters slip through their fingers. Translating in seats previously held by “mainstream” politicians. And the others are getting afraid they might be next. And start taking over the same points, perhaps with a bit more moderation (f.e. copyright term = 20 years after publication vs. 5 years). The European Greens/European Freedom Alliance already took over the main Pirate Party items.

    This is how change is being effected. Don’t worry; the European Union will be the first, but eventually Can/US will follow the rest of the world.

  • http://srynas.blogspot.com/ Steve R.

     As with ideas, homesteading should not apply to technological advancements. To use the venerable paper book as an example; the book can be read anywhere, it can be read at anytime, and it can be sold. These capabilities should automatically be extended to the use of digital media. Just because a technology exists, that does not give the content industry a “new” ersatz property right.  Additionally, tehcnological capabilities should not give the content industry the capability, post-sale, to “manage” and/or “brick” your devices/content.

  • http://srynas.blogspot.com/ Steve R.

    Since my response above, Mike Masnick at TechDirt, posted the following: EU Court Of Justice Says Social Networks Can’t Be Forced To Be Copyright Cops”. As previously expressed, the content industry (in their quest to protect their content from infringement) does not have a right to force third parties to protect their interests. So when one uses the term “enforcement” – it needs to explained what that enforcement means and it should not be used in isolation. As the saying goes, “the devil is in the details”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/McLeanBenjamin Ben McLean

    Hey wait a second, don’t knock Locke. He might actually be on your side. http://www.copyrighthistory.org/cgi-bin/kleioc/0010/exec/ausgabe/%22uk_1690%22

  • http://www.facebook.com/McLeanBenjamin Ben McLean

    Regardless of whether Locke historically considered copyright to be a natural right (probably didn’t. Other misguided natural law theorists like Lysander Spooner came up with that) I don’t think it is and in fact, my very conservative / right wing opposition to the current intellectual property regime is very much in the name of Lockean notions of property. Private property of physical objects is a natural right, while copyright is based on a totally artificial social contract for purposes of utility. (I wouldn’t say, “utilitarian” because that implies consequentialist ethics which is definitely not what the Founders had in mind) Corrupt practices like DRM use the artificial construction of copyright to defeat the purpose of our government to protect our individual physical private property natural rights.

  • http://www.facebook.com/McLeanBenjamin Ben McLean

    My final essay for my “Computer Science Ethics & Professionalism” course explored this topic. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnMPWvvwoMjuZ6ZM5kuaAsgJCktMVE9k1iIgaBoozHc/edit

  • http://www.facebook.com/McLeanBenjamin Ben McLean

    My final essay for my “Computer Science Ethics & Professionalism” course explored this topic. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fnMPWvvwoMjuZ6ZM5kuaAsgJCktMVE9k1iIgaBoozHc/edit

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