Comments on: The Unnecessariness of Net Neutrality Regulations http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Fri, 19 Mar 2010 23:45:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-65185 Steve R. Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:43:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-65185 Very valid points. Regulation can't address all issues of abuse. It is also difficult, at times, to establish if certain behaviors are a legitimate activity to manage traffic or if the behavior is actually nefarious. My hope is that we can have policy analysis based on real introspection and not based on the viewpoint of a particular political mantra. Seems that the "global warming" policy mantra is now suffering from such a credibility meltdown. (I guess there is a pun in that!) Very valid points. Regulation can't address all issues of abuse. It is also difficult, at times, to establish if certain behaviors are a legitimate activity to manage traffic or if the behavior is actually nefarious. My hope is that we can have policy analysis based on real introspection and not based on the viewpoint of a particular political mantra. Seems that the “global warming” policy mantra is now suffering from such a credibility meltdown. (I guess there is a pun in that!)

]]> By: Ryan Radia http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-65186 Ryan Radia Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:21:49 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-65186 Also, note that the behavior described in the second link you provided (Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood) likely would not constitute a net neutrality violation according to the rules proposed by the FCC. The rules contain an explicit exception for ISP discrimination against suspected illegal content such as copyright-infringing files. Also, note that the behavior described in the second link you provided (Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood) likely would not constitute a net neutrality violation according to the rules proposed by the FCC. The rules contain an explicit exception for ISP discrimination against suspected illegal content such as copyright-infringing files.

]]> By: Ryan Radia http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-65184 Ryan Radia Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:17:52 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-65184 I know of a handful (or at best a couple dozen) demonstrated instances of net neutrality violations having occurred over the years, but I haven't seen much data on how many subscribers have actually been impacted by these violations. We know Comcast was messing with Bittorrent seeding, but we don't know how many Comcast subscribers actually tried to seed a file and had trouble doing so on account of Sandvine. <br><br>If one in ten thousand U.S. ISP subscribers have been directly impacted by non-neutral behavior, it is harder (though not necessarily impossible) to justify FCC regulation than if, say, one in ten have been impacted. I know of a handful (or at best a couple dozen) demonstrated instances of net neutrality violations having occurred over the years, but I haven't seen much data on how many subscribers have actually been impacted by these violations. We know Comcast was messing with Bittorrent seeding, but we don't know how many Comcast subscribers actually tried to seed a file and had trouble doing so on account of Sandvine.

If one in ten thousand U.S. ISP subscribers have been directly impacted by non-neutral behavior, it is harder (though not necessarily impossible) to justify FCC regulation than if, say, one in ten have been impacted.

]]> By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-65183 Steve R. Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:06:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-65183 Berin, you write <i>"What is missing from this crime scene investigation is the body—the actual evidence that providers are behaving anticompetitively or are likely to.</i> and <i>"Of course, regulatory advocates would insist that broadband providers aren’t really behaving themselves today, citing a handful of vastly exaggerated examples.</i>.<br><br>Seems to be a case of selective reality. Over at TechDirt there is steamroller "proof" that the evidence exists, is available for reference, and may show an accelerating trend. <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316257114.shtml" rel="nofollow">Australian Operator Optus Deliberately Blocking Android Paid Apps</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml" rel="nofollow">Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood</a>; well beauty (reality) is in the eye of holder. Berin, you write “What is missing from this crime scene investigation is the body—the actual evidence that providers are behaving anticompetitively or are likely to. and “Of course, regulatory advocates would insist that broadband providers aren’t really behaving themselves today, citing a handful of vastly exaggerated examples..

Seems to be a case of selective reality. Over at TechDirt there is steamroller “proof” that the evidence exists, is available for reference, and may show an accelerating trend. Australian Operator Optus Deliberately Blocking Android Paid Apps and Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood; well beauty (reality) is in the eye of holder.

]]> By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-63821 Steve R. Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:43:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-63821 Very valid points. Regulation can't address all issues of abuse. It is also difficult, at times, to establish if certain behaviors are a legitimate activity to manage traffic or if the behavior is actually nefarious. My hope is that we can have policy analysis based on real introspection and not based on the viewpoint of a particular political mantra. Seems that the "global warming" policy mantra is now suffering from such a credibility meltdown. (I guess there is a pun in that!) Very valid points. Regulation can't address all issues of abuse. It is also difficult, at times, to establish if certain behaviors are a legitimate activity to manage traffic or if the behavior is actually nefarious. My hope is that we can have policy analysis based on real introspection and not based on the viewpoint of a particular political mantra. Seems that the “global warming” policy mantra is now suffering from such a credibility meltdown. (I guess there is a pun in that!)

]]> By: Ryan Radia http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-63819 Ryan Radia Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:21:49 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-63819 Also, note that the behavior described in the second link you provided (Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood) likely would not constitute a net neutrality violation according to the rules proposed by the FCC. The rules contain an explicit exception for ISP discrimination against suspected illegal content such as copyright-infringing files. Also, note that the behavior described in the second link you provided (Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood) likely would not constitute a net neutrality violation according to the rules proposed by the FCC. The rules contain an explicit exception for ISP discrimination against suspected illegal content such as copyright-infringing files.

]]> By: Ryan Radia http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-63818 Ryan Radia Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:17:52 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-63818 I know of a handful (or at best a couple dozen) demonstrated instances of net neutrality violations having occurred over the years, but I haven't seen much data on how many subscribers have actually been impacted by these violations. We know Comcast was messing with Bittorrent seeding, but we don't know how many Comcast subscribers actually tried to seed a file and had trouble doing so on account of Sandvine. <br><br>If one in ten thousand U.S. ISP subscribers have been directly impacted by non-neutral behavior, it is harder (though not necessarily impossible) to justify FCC regulation than if, say, one in ten have been impacted. I know of a handful (or at best a couple dozen) demonstrated instances of net neutrality violations having occurred over the years, but I haven't seen much data on how many subscribers have actually been impacted by these violations. We know Comcast was messing with Bittorrent seeding, but we don't know how many Comcast subscribers actually tried to seed a file and had trouble doing so on account of Sandvine.

If one in ten thousand U.S. ISP subscribers have been directly impacted by non-neutral behavior, it is harder (though not necessarily impossible) to justify FCC regulation than if, say, one in ten have been impacted.

]]> By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-63817 Steve R. Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:06:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-63817 Berin, you write <i>"What is missing from this crime scene investigation is the body—the actual evidence that providers are behaving anticompetitively or are likely to.</i> and <i>"Of course, regulatory advocates would insist that broadband providers aren’t really behaving themselves today, citing a handful of vastly exaggerated examples.</i>.<br><br>Seems to be a case of selective reality. Over at TechDirt there is steamroller "proof" that the evidence exists, is available for reference, and may show an accelerating trend. <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316257114.shtml" rel="nofollow">Australian Operator Optus Deliberately Blocking Android Paid Apps</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0316037113.shtml" rel="nofollow">Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood</a"; well beauty (reality) is in the eye of holder.</a> Berin, you write “What is missing from this crime scene investigation is the body—the actual evidence that providers are behaving anticompetitively or are likely to. and “Of course, regulatory advocates would insist that broadband providers aren’t really behaving themselves today, citing a handful of vastly exaggerated examples..

Seems to be a case of selective reality. Over at TechDirt there is steamroller “proof” that the evidence exists, is available for reference, and may show an accelerating trend. Australian Operator Optus Deliberately Blocking Android Paid Apps and Virgin Media Using Deep Packet Inspection To Spy On Your Internet Usage For Hollywood</a”; well beauty (reality) is in the eye of holder.

]]> By: giyim http://techliberation.com/2009/11/25/the-unnecessariness-of-net-neutrality-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-63769 giyim Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:49:03 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23785#comment-63769 Thank you in advance for your quick answer !. Very nice post. Thank you in advance for your quick answer !. Very nice post.

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