http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Sun, 27 May 2012 22:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-66060 mikewendy Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:29:38 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-66060 <p>You're conflating my lack of acceptance of your ideas / fact-assumptions with anarchy. The evolution of technology, marketplace guidance / marketpalce condemnation, industy best practices, consumer education / transparency and present enforcement tool / laws are ways currently of combatting abuse.</p> You're conflating my lack of acceptance of your ideas / fact-assumptions with anarchy. The evolution of technology, marketplace guidance / marketpalce condemnation, industy best practices, consumer education / transparency and present enforcement tool / laws are ways currently of combatting abuse.

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-66059 Logical Extremes Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:13:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-66059 <p>Laws are made by groups. Are you proposing anarchy as a better solution?</p> Laws are made by groups. Are you proposing anarchy as a better solution?

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-66058 mwendy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:45:04 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-66058 <p>Laws are made by individuals. And, as you note, technology has outpace individuals' ability "to effectively manage it." So, a new law's gonna' change that?</p> Laws are made by individuals. And, as you note, technology has outpace individuals' ability “to effectively manage it.” So, a new law's gonna' change that?

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-63535 mikewendy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:29:38 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-63535 <p>You're conflating my lack of acceptance of your ideas / fact-assumptions with anarchy. The evolution of technology, marketplace guidance / marketpalce condemnation, industy best practices, consumer education / transparency and present enforcement tool / laws are ways currently of combatting abuse.</p> You're conflating my lack of acceptance of your ideas / fact-assumptions with anarchy. The evolution of technology, marketplace guidance / marketpalce condemnation, industy best practices, consumer education / transparency and present enforcement tool / laws are ways currently of combatting abuse.

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-63533 Logical Extremes Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:13:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-63533 <p>Laws are made by groups. Are you proposing anarchy as a better solution?</p> Laws are made by groups. Are you proposing anarchy as a better solution?

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-63534 Guest Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:12:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-63534 http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-63532 mwendy Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:45:04 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-63532 <p>Laws are made by individuals. And, as you note, technology has outpace individuals' ability "to effectively manage it." So, a new law's gonna' change that?</p> Laws are made by individuals. And, as you note, technology has outpace individuals' ability “to effectively manage it.” So, a new law's gonna' change that?

]]> http://techliberation.com/2009/11/15/privacy-hearing-briefings-this-week-more-non-sense-about-non-harms-of-online-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-63525 logicalextremes2 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:52:48 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=23550#comment-63525 <p>I suppose there need to be dead bodies to demonstrate enough harm to justify legal protection? Just for the moment, set aside the most obvious risks of fraud, data breach, identity theft, abuse of personal information such as employment or insurance discrimination, etc...<br><br>Is it not enough that privacy is a fundamental human right, protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the European Convention on Human Rights, and the US Constitution? [see <a href="http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559062%5D" rel="nofollow">http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.sht...</a><br><br>Is it not enough that the US falls well behind particularly its Canadian and EU counterparts in comprehensively protecting the privacy of its residents? [see <a href="http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd%5B347%5D=x-347-559597" rel="nofollow">http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.sht...</a> & <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/30-right-of-privacy.html%5D" rel="nofollow">http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendmen...</a><br><br>Is it not enough that individuals are at a significant disadvantage relative to well-funded organizations with regard to information about, and power over, what information about them gets collected and how it may get used in different (and many times unintended) ways over time? [see <a href="http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/privacy_and_pow.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/p...</a> & I'd also suggest familiarization with some of Daniel Solove's basic publications on privacy: <a href="http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/dsolove/publications.htm%5D" rel="nofollow">http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/dsolove/publicat...</a><br><br>Is it not enough that government uses a loophole in the Privacy Act of 1974 to obtain massive amounts of commercially-collected personal information, effectively creating a public-private surveillance partnership? [see <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/67381-update-online-privacy-laws-now" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technolo...</a> & <a href="http://www.eff.org/issues/privacy%5D" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/issues/privacy]</a><br><br>Is it not enough that most Americans do not want targeted advertising, that self-regulation has not helped them understand the mechanisms or their options, that in practice they have few options, that many find the whole process (particularly with trend towards more geolocation and more use of biometrics and passive surveillance) insulting or creepy? [see <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1478214" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract...</a> & <a href="http://www.cylab.cmu.edu/research/techreports/tr_cylab09015.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cylab.cmu.edu/research/techreports/t...</a> & <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114163862" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...</a> & <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114241860" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st...</a> & <a href="http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/jeff_jonas/2009/08/your-movements-speak-for-themselves-spacetime-travel-data-is-analytic-superfood.html#" rel="nofollow">http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/jeff_jonas/2009/08...</a> & <a href="http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:2FSE6Zl1u_sJ:www.digitalsignageexpo.net/Home/tabid/36/smid/1279/ArticleID/1826/reftab/98/t/Digital-Signage-and-Consumer-Privacy/Default.aspx+http://www.digitalsignageexpo.net/Home/tabid/36/smid/1279/ArticleID/1826/t/Digital-Signage-and-Consumer-Privacy/Default.aspx&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us%5D" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:2FSE6Zl1u_s...</a><br><br>Is it not enough that the ad industry has done as little as possible to create the illusion that there are options for consumers and that privacy actually gets protected? Consumers think they are protected by nice-sounding privacy policies and deleting their HTML cookies now and then. Very few people even know about, let alone know how to manage, the pervasive and persistent Flash (and similar) cookies. [see <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/new-cookie-technologies-harder-see-and-remove-wide" rel="nofollow">https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/new-cooki...</a> & <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/online-trackers-and-social-networks" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/online-tra...</a> & <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/you-deleted-your-cookies-think-again/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/you-dele...</a> & <a href="http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6170%5D" rel="nofollow">http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6170]</a><br><br>Enough is enough. Technology, as it almost always does, has outpaced individuals' ability to effectively manage it. Self-regulation has failed. Basic but comprehensive legal privacy protections are desperately needed.</p> I suppose there need to be dead bodies to demonstrate enough harm to justify legal protection? Just for the moment, set aside the most obvious risks of fraud, data breach, identity theft, abuse of personal information such as employment or insurance discrimination, etc…

Is it not enough that privacy is a fundamental human right, protected by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the European Convention on Human Rights, and the US Constitution? [see http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.sht…

Is it not enough that the US falls well behind particularly its Canadian and EU counterparts in comprehensively protecting the privacy of its residents? [see http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.sht… & http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendmen…

Is it not enough that individuals are at a significant disadvantage relative to well-funded organizations with regard to information about, and power over, what information about them gets collected and how it may get used in different (and many times unintended) ways over time? [see http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/03/p… & I'd also suggest familiarization with some of Daniel Solove's basic publications on privacy: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/dsolove/publicat…

Is it not enough that government uses a loophole in the Privacy Act of 1974 to obtain massive amounts of commercially-collected personal information, effectively creating a public-private surveillance partnership? [see http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technolo… & http://www.eff.org/issues/privacy

Is it not enough that most Americans do not want targeted advertising, that self-regulation has not helped them understand the mechanisms or their options, that in practice they have few options, that many find the whole process (particularly with trend towards more geolocation and more use of biometrics and passive surveillance) insulting or creepy? [see http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract… & http://www.cylab.cmu.edu/research/techreports/t… & http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st… & http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?st… & http://jeffjonas.typepad.com/jeff_jonas/2009/08… & http://www.digitalsignageexpo.net/Home/tabid/36/smid/1279/ArticleID/1826/t/Digital-Signage-and-Consumer-Privacy/Default.aspx&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us%5D” rel=”nofollow”>http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:2FSE6Zl1u_s…

Is it not enough that the ad industry has done as little as possible to create the illusion that there are options for consumers and that privacy actually gets protected? Consumers think they are protected by nice-sounding privacy policies and deleting their HTML cookies now and then. Very few people even know about, let alone know how to manage, the pervasive and persistent Flash (and similar) cookies. [see https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/new-cooki… & http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/online-tra… & http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/you-dele… & http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/6170

Enough is enough. Technology, as it almost always does, has outpaced individuals' ability to effectively manage it. Self-regulation has failed. Basic but comprehensive legal privacy protections are desperately needed.

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