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		<title>By: open source cms - StartTags.com</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-65939</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] 49. Joined: 05-November 09 ... This list is only for Open Source Content Management Systems ...Open Source is Not the Enemy Technology Liberation FrontA great place to start thinking about open-source CMS solutions is the annual Open Source CMS Market [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 49. Joined: 05-November 09 &#8230; This list is only for Open Source Content Management Systems &#8230;Open Source is Not the Enemy Technology Liberation FrontA great place to start thinking about open-source CMS solutions is the annual Open Source CMS Market [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cordblomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-65569</link>
		<dc:creator>cordblomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You should see my recent comments to Tim Lee, reposted here &lt;a href=&quot;http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432&lt;/a&gt; as a post with his comments, that illustrate why I believe there is a bias against free software specifically in the free market non-profit community.  The advocates of free software often use highly charged language and try to turn an engineering question into a political one.  That politicizing has made a lot of folks suspicious of open source, something that has set advocates of freedom behind because, as you say, money has been wasted on closed-source technologies that don&#039;t stack up to open software.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see my recent comments to Tim Lee, reposted here <a href="http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432" rel="nofollow">http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432</a> as a post with his comments, that illustrate why I believe there is a bias against free software specifically in the free market non-profit community.  The advocates of free software often use highly charged language and try to turn an engineering question into a political one.  That politicizing has made a lot of folks suspicious of open source, something that has set advocates of freedom behind because, as you say, money has been wasted on closed-source technologies that don&#39;t stack up to open software.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeRT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-65568</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The vendors need the government space because it is so uncritical of them and so driven by CYA politics over efficiency. It&#039;s an enormous cash cow for them in a way that is proportionally superior to private business because the will to fight for the best bang for the buck isn&#039;t usually there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CMS products are just a drop in the bucket. What we really need is for PostgreSQL or EnterpriseDB to very aggressively attack Oracle&#039;s position in the government market. Oracle is so expensive, and so overused that it would save tax payers a significantly greater amount of money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vendors need the government space because it is so uncritical of them and so driven by CYA politics over efficiency. It&#39;s an enormous cash cow for them in a way that is proportionally superior to private business because the will to fight for the best bang for the buck isn&#39;t usually there.<br /><br />CMS products are just a drop in the bucket. What we really need is for PostgreSQL or EnterpriseDB to very aggressively attack Oracle&#39;s position in the government market. Oracle is so expensive, and so overused that it would save tax payers a significantly greater amount of money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cordblomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-63303</link>
		<dc:creator>cordblomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You should see my recent comments to Tim Lee, reposted here &lt;a href=&quot;http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432&lt;/a&gt; as a post with his comments, that illustrate why I believe there is a bias against free software specifically in the free market non-profit community.  The advocates of free software often use highly charged language and try to turn an engineering question into a political one.  That politicizing has made a lot of folks suspicious of open source, something that has set advocates of freedom behind because, as you say, money has been wasted on closed-source technologies that don&#039;t stack up to open software.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see my recent comments to Tim Lee, reposted here <a href="http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432" rel="nofollow">http://timothyblee.com/?p=1432</a> as a post with his comments, that illustrate why I believe there is a bias against free software specifically in the free market non-profit community.  The advocates of free software often use highly charged language and try to turn an engineering question into a political one.  That politicizing has made a lot of folks suspicious of open source, something that has set advocates of freedom behind because, as you say, money has been wasted on closed-source technologies that don&#39;t stack up to open software.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeRT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-63301</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeRT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The vendors need the government space because it is so uncritical of them and so driven by CYA politics over efficiency. It&#039;s an enormous cash cow for them in a way that is proportionally superior to private business because the will to fight for the best bang for the buck isn&#039;t usually there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;CMS products are just a drop in the bucket. What we really need is for PostgreSQL or EnterpriseDB to very aggressively attack Oracle&#039;s position in the government market. Oracle is so expensive, and so overused that it would save tax payers a significantly greater amount of money.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vendors need the government space because it is so uncritical of them and so driven by CYA politics over efficiency. It&#39;s an enormous cash cow for them in a way that is proportionally superior to private business because the will to fight for the best bang for the buck isn&#39;t usually there.<br /><br />CMS products are just a drop in the bucket. What we really need is for PostgreSQL or EnterpriseDB to very aggressively attack Oracle&#39;s position in the government market. Oracle is so expensive, and so overused that it would save tax payers a significantly greater amount of money.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cms solutions</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-63297</link>
		<dc:creator>cms solutions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes i agree that open source is not the answer for software.We can develop a website with all the techinical functionalities by using some language but it is not possible with the tool.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes i agree that open source is not the answer for software.We can develop a website with all the techinical functionalities by using some language but it is not possible with the tool.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: InfoBore 80 &#171; ubiwar &#124; conflict in n dimensions</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-63294</link>
		<dc:creator>InfoBore 80 &#171; ubiwar &#124; conflict in n dimensions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Open Source Is Not the Enemy &#8211; Cord Blomquist, Technology Liberation Front [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: PJ Doland</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2009/11/03/2009-open-source-cms-report-by-water-stone/comment-page-1/#comment-63288</link>
		<dc:creator>PJ Doland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We actually develop sites for clients using both open source content management systems and custom proprietary systems. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Systems like Drupal, Joomla, and WordPress are good options when a client needs something that doesn&#039;t conflict with the basic assumptions made by the software&#039;s development community (who are catering to a general user base). If a client is willing to stay within the lines, then they can usually get 95% of what they want or need for 40% of the comparative cost. This is the preferred way of doing things whenever it will help realize the basic objectives of the project.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sometimes, however, clients have a very particular way they need things maintained. It could be because of a need to manage a large number of idiosyncratic data-relationships. It could be the result of a very specialized internal workflow. Sometimes it&#039;s just bullheadedness on the part of an executive decisionmaker. In these situations, it&#039;s often better to go the custom route. Trying to use an open source CMS when it&#039;s not appropriate can be not only very messy, but much more expensive to maintain than a well-built custom solution.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To make sure you don&#039;t get burned, find a vendor who is both familiar with open source systems and able to identify when they are and are not appropriate. To put it another way: vendors who only work with open source content management systems tend to see every problem as a nail; vendors who never use them tend to see you as an easy mark.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We actually develop sites for clients using both open source content management systems and custom proprietary systems. <br /><br />Systems like Drupal, Joomla, and WordPress are good options when a client needs something that doesn&#39;t conflict with the basic assumptions made by the software&#39;s development community (who are catering to a general user base). If a client is willing to stay within the lines, then they can usually get 95% of what they want or need for 40% of the comparative cost. This is the preferred way of doing things whenever it will help realize the basic objectives of the project.<br /><br />Sometimes, however, clients have a very particular way they need things maintained. It could be because of a need to manage a large number of idiosyncratic data-relationships. It could be the result of a very specialized internal workflow. Sometimes it&#39;s just bullheadedness on the part of an executive decisionmaker. In these situations, it&#39;s often better to go the custom route. Trying to use an open source CMS when it&#39;s not appropriate can be not only very messy, but much more expensive to maintain than a well-built custom solution.<br /><br />To make sure you don&#39;t get burned, find a vendor who is both familiar with open source systems and able to identify when they are and are not appropriate. To put it another way: vendors who only work with open source content management systems tend to see every problem as a nail; vendors who never use them tend to see you as an easy mark.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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