Comments on: Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Sun, 27 May 2012 22:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: delegate http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-65105 delegate Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:49:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-65105 <p>"I'm not comparing critics of advertising to Nazis... my computer is."</p> “I'm not comparing critics of advertising to Nazis… my computer is.”

]]> By: delegate http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-63305 delegate Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:49:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-63305 <p>"I'm not comparing critics of advertising to Nazis... my computer is."</p> “I'm not comparing critics of advertising to Nazis… my computer is.”

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61768 eee_eff Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:54:29 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61768 <p>I find use of the tie-in to the the German attack on Poland deeply offensive. Your disclaimer is irrelevant, as the graphic of the bombing of Warsaw is used so prominently.<br><br>It is wrong, Berin. The fact that you have relatives that were in concentration camps does not make your use of the Nazi tie-in any less wrong-it makes it more so.</p> I find use of the tie-in to the the German attack on Poland deeply offensive. Your disclaimer is irrelevant, as the graphic of the bombing of Warsaw is used so prominently.

It is wrong, Berin. The fact that you have relatives that were in concentration camps does not make your use of the Nazi tie-in any less wrong-it makes it more so.

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61448 eee_eff Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:54:29 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61448 <p>I find use of the tie-in to the the German attack on Poland deeply offensive. Your disclaimer is irrelevant, as the graphic of the bombing of Warsaw is used so prominently.<br><br>It is wrong, Berin. The fact that you have relatives that were in concentration camps does not make your use of the Nazi tie-in any less wrong-it makes it more so.</p> I find use of the tie-in to the the German attack on Poland deeply offensive. Your disclaimer is irrelevant, as the graphic of the bombing of Warsaw is used so prominently.

It is wrong, Berin. The fact that you have relatives that were in concentration camps does not make your use of the Nazi tie-in any less wrong-it makes it more so.

]]> By: Un mundo en guerra http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61374 Un mundo en guerra Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:31:34 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61374 <p>[...] Un frente menor lo constituyen las llamadas Guerras de la Privacidad (Privacy Wars). Recordemos que la Primera Guerra de la Privacidad (1990 - 2001), comenzó cuando la Comisión Federal de Comercio (Federal Trade Commission) fomentó inicialmente la autorregulación de la industria para luego pedir al Congreso de los Estados Unidos legislar para hacer cumplir la privacidad de los sitios web, finalmente no lo hizo. La Segunda Guerra de la Privacidad (2009 -) acaba de comenzar, una coalición de defensoras de los derechos de los consumidores vienen atacando los mecanismos de publicidad dirigida, exigiendo que el Estado instaure una suerte de privacidad preventiva deteniendo los anuncios en línea personalizados sobre la base de los hábitos de los consumidores. La crónica completa en Liberation Front (Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis). [...]</p> [...] Un frente menor lo constituyen las llamadas Guerras de la Privacidad (Privacy Wars). Recordemos que la Primera Guerra de la Privacidad (1990 - 2001), comenzó cuando la Comisión Federal de Comercio (Federal Trade Commission) fomentó inicialmente la autorregulación de la industria para luego pedir al Congreso de los Estados Unidos legislar para hacer cumplir la privacidad de los sitios web, finalmente no lo hizo. La Segunda Guerra de la Privacidad (2009 -) acaba de comenzar, una coalición de defensoras de los derechos de los consumidores vienen atacando los mecanismos de publicidad dirigida, exigiendo que el Estado instaure una suerte de privacidad preventiva deteniendo los anuncios en línea personalizados sobre la base de los hábitos de los consumidores. La crónica completa en Liberation Front (Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis). [...]

]]> By: Landmark change in Web ad privacy - The Death of Metrics http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61343 Landmark change in Web ad privacy - The Death of Metrics Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:15:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61343 <p>[...] Re: Landmark change in Web ad privacy - The Death of Metrics Here are couple of good articles on it: Picture Don Draper Stamping on a Human Face, Forever | Cato @ Liberty Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis ? Technology Liberation Front [...]</p> [...] Re: Landmark change in Web ad privacy – The Death of Metrics Here are couple of good articles on it: Picture Don Draper Stamping on a Human Face, Forever | Cato @ Liberty Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis ? Technology Liberation Front [...]

]]> By: Berin Szoka http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61180 Berin Szoka Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:01:46 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61180 <p>Ah, yes, the old advertisers=spammers canard. I hate spam as much as anyone, but let's be clear what spam is: unsolicited advertising for which consumers get nothing in return and over which they have limited control (spam filters). Contrary to your comment ("No targeted spam please"), spam is generally completely UN-targeted—which is huge part of the reason we all find it so annoying.<br><br>In these senses, spam is the <i>complete opposite</i> of online advertising in general and "behaviorally targeted" or "personalized" advertising in particular. Online advertising in general supports free content and services provided by users and thus differs profoundly from spam or telemarketing (essentially "phone call spam"). Targeted advertising tries hard <i>not</i> to "spam" users by showing them ads for things they aren't likely to be interested in. This isn't just because online advertisers are better people; it's because ads users don't find interesting aren't just a waste of the advertiser's money, they actually tend to ruin all online advertising by encouraging "ad blindness."</p> Ah, yes, the old advertisers=spammers canard. I hate spam as much as anyone, but let's be clear what spam is: unsolicited advertising for which consumers get nothing in return and over which they have limited control (spam filters). Contrary to your comment (“No targeted spam please”), spam is generally completely UN-targeted—which is huge part of the reason we all find it so annoying.

In these senses, spam is the complete opposite of online advertising in general and “behaviorally targeted” or “personalized” advertising in particular. Online advertising in general supports free content and services provided by users and thus differs profoundly from spam or telemarketing (essentially “phone call spam”). Targeted advertising tries hard not to “spam” users by showing them ads for things they aren't likely to be interested in. This isn't just because online advertisers are better people; it's because ads users don't find interesting aren't just a waste of the advertiser's money, they actually tend to ruin all online advertising by encouraging “ad blindness.”

]]> By: Berin Szoka http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61174 Berin Szoka Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:33:45 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61174 <p>You certainly win points for wittiest response, Orynn!</p> You certainly win points for wittiest response, Orynn!

]]> By: Berin Szoka http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61175 Berin Szoka Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:33:45 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61175 <p>You certainly win points for wittiest response, Orynn!</p> You certainly win points for wittiest response, Orynn!

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61172 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:29:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61172 <p><strong>Privacy War II: A Historical Comparison, Not a Moral Equation...</strong></p> <p>I noted yesterday that a coalition of self-styled "privacy advocates" chose Monday, September 1, to launch an all-out attack on online advertising--which happened to be 70 years to the day after the start of World War II. Since the term......</p> Privacy War II: A Historical Comparison, Not a Moral Equation…

I noted yesterday that a coalition of self-styled “privacy advocates” chose Monday, September 1, to launch an all-out attack on online advertising–which happened to be 70 years to the day after the start of World War II. Since the term……

]]> By: Privacy War II: A Historical Comparison, Not a Moral Equation — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61171 Privacy War II: A Historical Comparison, Not a Moral Equation — Technology Liberation Front Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:28:51 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61171 <p>[...] noted yesterday that a coalition of self-styled “privacy advocates” chose Monday, September 1, to [...]</p> [...] noted yesterday that a coalition of self-styled “privacy advocates” chose Monday, September 1, to [...]

]]> By: No targeted spam please http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61170 No targeted spam please Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:24:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61170 <p>It takes a zealot to know one. It has only taken a few bad Advertisers (i.e. spammers) to spoil it for everyone. Cleaning up your industry would be a good first step in an attempt to earn the consumers trust.</p> It takes a zealot to know one. It has only taken a few bad Advertisers (i.e. spammers) to spoil it for everyone. Cleaning up your industry would be a good first step in an attempt to earn the consumers trust.

]]> By: Orynn http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61169 Orynn Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:54:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61169 <p>The Urban Dictionary defines "douche baggery" as:<br><br><em>The act in which someone is being a douche bag or has the characteristics or symptoms of a douche bag. </em><br><br>I'm certainly not saying that you're a douche bag, but the parallels are eerie.</p> The Urban Dictionary defines “douche baggery” as:

The act in which someone is being a douche bag or has the characteristics or symptoms of a douche bag.

I'm certainly not saying that you're a douche bag, but the parallels are eerie.

]]> By: gcr http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61168 gcr Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:28:24 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61168 <p>In part 2, are you planning to have your 4th paragraph emphasize that you are NOT comparing your policy opponents to Vlad the Impaler?</p> In part 2, are you planning to have your 4th paragraph emphasize that you are NOT comparing your policy opponents to Vlad the Impaler?

]]> By: Berin Szoka http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61166 Berin Szoka Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:25:48 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61166 <p>Give it a rest, Jeff. My great-grandfather was put in a concentration camp, too.</p> Give it a rest, Jeff. My great-grandfather was put in a concentration camp, too.

]]> By: Berin Szoka http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61165 Berin Szoka Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:25:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61165 <p>Yeah, I'm well aware of Godwin's law. In fact, I linked to it in emphasizing that I'm NOT comparing my opponents to the Nazis.</p> Yeah, I'm well aware of Godwin's law. In fact, I linked to it in emphasizing that I'm NOT comparing my opponents to the Nazis.

]]> By: chesterj1 http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61164 chesterj1 Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:17:58 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61164 <p>This is an offensive analogy. You and PFF should immediately post an apology. Even in jest, it is inappropriate to compare privacy and consumer advocates with Nazis. As someone who lost many family members during the Holocaust, mourns for the many millions of Jews and non-Jews murdered, and recognizes the tremendous destruction the Hiltler regime did throughout Europe, especially to democracies, I find the column beyond tasteless.</p> This is an offensive analogy. You and PFF should immediately post an apology. Even in jest, it is inappropriate to compare privacy and consumer advocates with Nazis. As someone who lost many family members during the Holocaust, mourns for the many millions of Jews and non-Jews murdered, and recognizes the tremendous destruction the Hiltler regime did throughout Europe, especially to democracies, I find the column beyond tasteless.

]]> By: none http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61163 none Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:11:15 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61163 <p>Um, you lose. Godwin's law.</p> Um, you lose. Godwin's law.

]]> By: Why Is EFF Suddenly Supporting Internet Regulation? — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61140 Why Is EFF Suddenly Supporting Internet Regulation? — Technology Liberation Front Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:44:50 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61140 <p>[...] has already done a fine job tearing apart this latest effort by 10 activist groups to break the Internet by imposing burdensome regulation or [...]</p> [...] has already done a fine job tearing apart this latest effort by 10 activist groups to break the Internet by imposing burdensome regulation or [...]

]]> By: Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis … | Breaking News 24/7 http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61132 Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis … | Breaking News 24/7 Wed, 02 Sep 2009 22:14:15 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61132 <p>[...] post:  Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis … Share and [...]</p> [...] post:  Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis … Share and [...]

]]> By: phils http://techliberation.com/2009/09/02/privacy-war-ii-part-1-attack-of-the-anti-advertising-axis/comment-page-1/#comment-61128 phils Wed, 02 Sep 2009 20:12:19 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20885#comment-61128 <p>2009 - 60 =1949<br><br>Did Hitler really invade Poland on 1 sept 1949???</p> 2009 – 60 =1949

Did Hitler really invade Poland on 1 sept 1949???

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