Comments on: What Unites Advocates of Speech Controls & Privacy Regulation? http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: What We Didn’t Hear at Yesterday’s FTC COPPA Workshop http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-68363 What We Didn’t Hear at Yesterday’s FTC COPPA Workshop Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:24:07 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-68363 <p>[...] of the supposed harms of advertising, marketing, and data collection. Advertising-bashing is an old sport here in Washington, so I guess I should not have been surprised to hear several panelists yesterday [...]</p> [...] of the supposed harms of advertising, marketing, and data collection. Advertising-bashing is an old sport here in Washington, so I guess I should not have been surprised to hear several panelists yesterday [...]

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]]> By: Facebook Privacy Controls Change & EPIC’s FTC Complaint — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-64150 Facebook Privacy Controls Change & EPIC’s FTC Complaint — Technology Liberation Front Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:30:52 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-64150 <p>[...] EPIC—you know, the folks who’ve tried repeatedly to shut down Gmail and Google docs because they just can’t stand certain kinds of data sharing—focuses on [...]</p> [...] EPIC—you know, the folks who’ve tried repeatedly to shut down Gmail and Google docs because they just can’t stand certain kinds of data sharing—focuses on [...]

]]> By: Congresswoman, CALM Thyself! LA Times Eschews Eshoo Nanny State Bill to Regulate Ad Volume — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-64119 Congresswoman, CALM Thyself! LA Times Eschews Eshoo Nanny State Bill to Regulate Ad Volume — Technology Liberation Front Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:10:57 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-64119 <p>[...] the broad philosophical precedent that this elitist law sets (consumers are too stupid and helpless to take care of themselves so government must do it [...]</p> [...] the broad philosophical precedent that this elitist law sets (consumers are too stupid and helpless to take care of themselves so government must do it [...]

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-64074 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:18:13 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-64074 <p><strong>Cutting the Video Cord: Pro-Regulatory NYT Realizes "Cable Freedom Is a Click Away"...</strong></p> <p>Three months ago, when the DC Circuit struck down the FCC's "Cable Cap"--which prevented any one cable company from serving more than 30% of US households out of fear that he larger cable companies would use their "gatekeeper" power to......</p> Cutting the Video Cord: Pro-Regulatory NYT Realizes “Cable Freedom Is a Click Away”…

Three months ago, when the DC Circuit struck down the FCC’s “Cable Cap”–which prevented any one cable company from serving more than 30% of US households out of fear that he larger cable companies would use their “gatekeeper” power to……

]]> By: Cutting the Video Cord: Pro-Regulatory NYT Realizes “Cable Freedom Is a Click Away” — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-64064 Cutting the Video Cord: Pro-Regulatory NYT Realizes “Cable Freedom Is a Click Away” — Technology Liberation Front Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:04:11 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-64064 <p>[...] On a final note, savvy observers will notice the similarity between Bilton’s slogan (”Cable Freedom Is a Click Away”) and Google’s mantra about its various services (”Competition is just one click away“).  Both run contrary to the prevailing assumption behind so much communications/Internet policymaking that users are too lazy, ignorant, stupid and/or helpless to find, explore, try, or even understand new tools, products, services or models.  One could raise legitimate questions about how competition plays out on the other side of these two-sided markets (advertising in the case of search and programming in the case of cable television), but to deny that consumers are capable of “clicking away” is to assume that they are mindless sheep. [...]</p> [...] On a final note, savvy observers will notice the similarity between Bilton’s slogan (”Cable Freedom Is a Click Away”) and Google’s mantra about its various services (”Competition is just one click away“).  Both run contrary to the prevailing assumption behind so much communications/Internet policymaking that users are too lazy, ignorant, stupid and/or helpless to find, explore, try, or even understand new tools, products, services or models.  One could raise legitimate questions about how competition plays out on the other side of these two-sided markets (advertising in the case of search and programming in the case of cable television), but to deny that consumers are capable of “clicking away” is to assume that they are mindless sheep. [...]

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-63364 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Thu, 05 Nov 2009 18:14:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-63364 <p><strong>Google's Privacy Dashboard: Another Major Step Forward in User Empowerment & Transparency...</strong></p> <p>Remember, remember the Fifth of November,The Gunpowder Treason and Plot Privacy Dashboard, so hot, I know of no reason Why the Gunpowder Treason Privacy Dashboard Should ever be forgot. Sorry, I couldn't resist, this being Guy Fawkes day (a major......</p> Google’s Privacy Dashboard: Another Major Step Forward in User Empowerment & Transparency…

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,The Gunpowder Treason and Plot Privacy Dashboard, so hot, I know of no reason Why the Gunpowder Treason Privacy Dashboard Should ever be forgot. Sorry, I couldn’t resist, this being Guy Fawkes day (a major……

]]> By: Google’s Privacy Dashboard: Another Major Step Forward in User Empowerment & Transparency — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-63347 Google’s Privacy Dashboard: Another Major Step Forward in User Empowerment & Transparency — Technology Liberation Front Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:06:41 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-63347 <p>[...] much easier to use—yet we can be sure it won’t be good enough for some privacy zealots who arrogantly presume that their fellow homo sapiens are basically vegetables with hair—unable to use any tool online, [...]</p> [...] much easier to use—yet we can be sure it won’t be good enough for some privacy zealots who arrogantly presume that their fellow homo sapiens are basically vegetables with hair—unable to use any tool online, [...]

]]> By: “Internet Freedom”: How Statists Corrupt Our Language — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-63194 “Internet Freedom”: How Statists Corrupt Our Language — Technology Liberation Front Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:37:48 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-63194 <p>[...] in action, watch the video. Just as nauseating is the way that McCain and is “disdainfully dismissed” as a corporate whore because he’s—GASP!—received donations from the telecom [...]</p> [...] in action, watch the video. Just as nauseating is the way that McCain and is “disdainfully dismissed” as a corporate whore because he’s—GASP!—received donations from the telecom [...]

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-62588 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:38:31 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-62588 <p><strong>The "Manipulative" Market ...</strong></p> <p>From the satirical Book Titles if They Were Written Today: Then: The Wealth of Nations Now: Invisible Hands: The Mysterious Market Forces That Control Our Lives and How to Profit from Them Funny how empowering consumers to choose for themselves......</p> The “Manipulative” Market …

From the satirical Book Titles if They Were Written Today: Then: The Wealth of Nations Now: Invisible Hands: The Mysterious Market Forces That Control Our Lives and How to Profit from Them Funny how empowering consumers to choose for themselves……

]]> By: The “Manipulative” Market — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-62443 The “Manipulative” Market — Technology Liberation Front Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:10:54 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-62443 <p>[...] Funny how empowering consumers to choose for themselves is “manipulative.” Oh, right, I forgot: people are stupid and/or lazy, so so elites should chose for them! [...]</p> [...] Funny how empowering consumers to choose for themselves is “manipulative.” Oh, right, I forgot: people are stupid and/or lazy, so so elites should chose for them! [...]

]]> By: A First-Hand Perspective on Advertising to Kids, Acquisitiveness & Parental Responsibility — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-61242 A First-Hand Perspective on Advertising to Kids, Acquisitiveness & Parental Responsibility — Technology Liberation Front Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:22:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-61242 <p>[...] I’d much rather have parents deciding what their kids “need” than some paternalist bureaucrat! [...]</p> [...] I’d much rather have parents deciding what their kids “need” than some paternalist bureaucrat! [...]

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-61177 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:37:23 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-61177 <p><strong>Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis...</strong></p> <p>Note the disclaimer below, emphasized here Seventy years ago yesterday, Hitler's troops invaded Poland. Thus began World War II--after twenty years of rising tension in Europe. For the next eight months, the world sat waiting for the other shoe to......</p> Privacy War II (Part 1): Attack of the Anti-Advertising Axis…

Note the disclaimer below, emphasized here Seventy years ago yesterday, Hitler’s troops invaded Poland. Thus began World War II–after twenty years of rising tension in Europe. For the next eight months, the world sat waiting for the other shoe to……

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-61136 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Thu, 03 Sep 2009 01:40:05 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-61136 <p><strong>Privacy Elitists Launch All-Out Attack on Personalized Advertising Online...</strong></p> <p>A coalition of ten self-described "consumer and privacy advocacy organizations" today demanded legislation that would restrict the collection and use of data online for customizing advertising based on Internet users' interests. I'll have more to s...</p> Privacy Elitists Launch All-Out Attack on Personalized Advertising Online…

A coalition of ten self-described “consumer and privacy advocacy organizations” today demanded legislation that would restrict the collection and use of data online for customizing advertising based on Internet users’ interests. I’ll have more to s…

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]]> By: Privacy Elitists Launch All-Out Attack on Personalized Advertising Online http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-61093 Privacy Elitists Launch All-Out Attack on Personalized Advertising Online Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:33:19 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-61093 <p>[...] but here are my initial comments: These so-called “consumer advocates” are actually anti-consumer elitists.  Not only do they presume that consumers are too stupid or lazy to make their own decisions about [...]</p> [...] but here are my initial comments: These so-called “consumer advocates” are actually anti-consumer elitists.  Not only do they presume that consumers are too stupid or lazy to make their own decisions about [...]

]]> By: david http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-65011 david Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:19:17 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-65011 <p>An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a "penumbra" right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.<br><br>But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about -- too many weak spots in your argument.</p> An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a “penumbra” right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.

But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about — too many weak spots in your argument.

]]> By: david http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-61718 david Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:19:17 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-61718 <p>An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a "penumbra" right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.<br><br>But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about -- too many weak spots in your argument.</p> An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a “penumbra” right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.

But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about — too many weak spots in your argument.

]]> By: david http://techliberation.com/2009/08/11/what-unites-advocates-of-speech-controls-privacy-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-60532 david Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:19:17 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=20255#comment-60532 <p>An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a "penumbra" right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.<br><br>But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about -- too many weak spots in your argument.</p> An interesting topic, with a few good point, but overall it's a severely flawed analysis. I'd like to see a more careful, and thoughtful working up of the subject, rather than this sloppy screed. What you're dancing around without quite nailing is that's it's a question of the balance between two constitutional rights: free speech vs. privacy. Now, you might try to argue that free speech trumps, as it is an explicit, rather than a “penumbra” right, but at least you'd have a leg to stand on. Where you really go off the tracks is in section IV when you jump to that conclusion about creating property rights in personal data. Certainly, that's one model, but not the only one. And anyway I don't see how an opt-in regime gets you there.

But anyway, you've got a good start, and good ideas, and you make some valid points, but you need to do more homework to really know what you're talking about — too many weak spots in your argument.

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