Comments on: Behavioral Advertising Industry Practices Hearing: Some Issues that Need to be Discussed http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Privacy & Advertising Discussions in DC Dec. 7 & 9 — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-63876 Privacy & Advertising Discussions in DC Dec. 7 & 9 — Technology Liberation Front Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:45:12 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-63876 <p>[...] FTC deserves great credit for trying hard to represent the broad spectrum of expert opinion on this profoundly important issue.  PFF President Adam Thierer will be on on the Consumer Expectations and Disclosures panel [...]</p> [...] FTC deserves great credit for trying hard to represent the broad spectrum of expert opinion on this profoundly important issue.  PFF President Adam Thierer will be on on the Consumer Expectations and Disclosures panel [...]

]]> By: The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-63875 The Progress & Freedom Foundation Blog Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:18:47 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-63875 <p><strong>Privacy & Advertising Discussions in DC Dec. 7 & 9...</strong></p> <p>If you follow privacy policy, you won't want to miss these two great events. First, on Monday (12/7), the Federal Trade Commission will be holding the first of three "Exploring Privacy" roundtables at its conference center (601 New Jersey Avenue,......</p> Privacy & Advertising Discussions in DC Dec. 7 & 9…

If you follow privacy policy, you won’t want to miss these two great events. First, on Monday (12/7), the Federal Trade Commission will be holding the first of three “Exploring Privacy” roundtables at its conference center (601 New Jersey Avenue,……

]]> By: FTC Announces Roundtables on “Evolving Consumer Privacy Issues” — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-61859 FTC Announces Roundtables on “Evolving Consumer Privacy Issues” — Technology Liberation Front Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:01:42 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-61859 <p>[...] but, for now, I just want to reiterate the three key challenges we have been posing again and again and again and again in all our work on this [...]</p> [...] but, for now, I just want to reiterate the three key challenges we have been posing again and again and again and again in all our work on this [...]

]]> By: The Quid Pro Quo In Practice — Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-61350 The Quid Pro Quo In Practice — Technology Liberation Front Wed, 09 Sep 2009 19:13:35 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-61350 <p>[...] increased revenue for online content providers made possible by targeted advertising is the "mother’s milk" that many websites need to [...]</p> [...] increased revenue for online content providers made possible by targeted advertising is the "mother’s milk" that many websites need to [...]

]]> By: Privacy, please http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65227 Privacy, please Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:24:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-65227 <p>I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a "harm of market failure" for behavioral advertising to be regulated. <br><br>I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers. <br><br>Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment. <br><br>Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.<br><br>Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits. <br><br>I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.</p> I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a “harm of market failure” for behavioral advertising to be regulated.

I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers.

Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment.

Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.

Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits.

I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.

]]> By: Online Advertising: Privacy Zealot-Elitists v. Real Consumer Advocates http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60883 Online Advertising: Privacy Zealot-Elitists v. Real Consumer Advocates Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:05:15 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60883 <p>[...] but ignoring, my arguments about consumer welfare as corporate propaganda—just as he did with his comment on the post Adam and I wrote in June about congressional hearings on the issue featuring Chester [...]</p> [...] but ignoring, my arguments about consumer welfare as corporate propaganda—just as he did with his comment on the post Adam and I wrote in June about congressional hearings on the issue featuring Chester [...]

]]> By: Privacy, please http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-61593 Privacy, please Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:24:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-61593 <p>I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a "harm of market failure" for behavioral advertising to be regulated. <br><br>I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers. <br><br>Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment. <br><br>Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.<br><br>Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits. <br><br>I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.</p> I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a “harm of market failure” for behavioral advertising to be regulated.

I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers.

Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment.

Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.

Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits.

I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.

]]> By: Privacy, please http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60882 Privacy, please Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:24:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60882 <p>I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a "harm of market failure" for behavioral advertising to be regulated. <br><br>I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers. <br><br>Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment. <br><br>Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.<br><br>Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits. <br><br>I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.</p> I think it's wrong-headed for the authors to require a “harm of market failure” for behavioral advertising to be regulated.

I shouldn't have to articulate a harm simply so that I can avoid having so much of what I do online tracked, analyzed and sold to marketers.

Privacy is a right, it's part of the penumbra of the First Amendment.

Privacy is not a remedy or a protective measure against harms or market failures.

Obviously the individual consumer's interest in privacy conflicts with Internet companies' interests in fattening their profits.

I hope that Congress reconciles this conflict in favor of individuals and does not assume that everyone wants to be bombarded by ever-greater quantities of personalized advertising.

]]> By: KenMagill http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60582 KenMagill Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:25:59 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60582 <p>Notice Chester doesn't address a single argument made in the post--because he can't.</p> Notice Chester doesn't address a single argument made in the post–because he can't.

]]> By: I Love Targeted Ads! http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60552 I Love Targeted Ads! Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:44:50 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60552 <p>[...] sell for more per view are also better for the viewer is not an accident. As Berin points out in his neat summary of the arguments against ad regulation, advertisers pay more for ads that viewers are more likely to find useful. Annoying and irrelevant [...]</p> [...] sell for more per view are also better for the viewer is not an accident. As Berin points out in his neat summary of the arguments against ad regulation, advertisers pay more for ads that viewers are more likely to find useful. Annoying and irrelevant [...]

]]> By: Free Press, Robert McChesney & the “Struggle” for Media Marxism http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60478 Free Press, Robert McChesney & the “Struggle” for Media Marxism Tue, 11 Aug 2009 02:51:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60478 <p>[...] McChesney will have plenty of allies in this particular struggle as Washington continues to wage a war against advertising of all sorts. Of course, there really is no free lunch in this world and something will have to pay [...]</p> [...] McChesney will have plenty of allies in this particular struggle as Washington continues to wage a war against advertising of all sorts. Of course, there really is no free lunch in this world and something will have to pay [...]

]]> By: The War on “Free”: Google Sued for Giving Away Google Maps http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-60248 The War on “Free”: Google Sued for Giving Away Google Maps Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:25:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-60248 <p>[...] would ultimately hurt consumers by reducing funding for the sites they love (1, 2, 3, 4). In short, there is no free lunch! I’ve also written a number of posts this past week about [...]</p> [...] would ultimately hurt consumers by reducing funding for the sites they love (1, 2, 3, 4). In short, there is no free lunch! I’ve also written a number of posts this past week about [...]

]]> By: Facebook v. Google v. Techno-Aquarians | The Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-59807 Facebook v. Google v. Techno-Aquarians | The Technology Liberation Front Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:18:07 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-59807 <p>[...] worldwide), or that Facebook might finally provide a counter-weight to the fearsome Google, the People for the Ethical Treatment of Data (PETD) are appalled.  One commenter on the Wired story put it best: I find it amazing that people [...]</p> [...] worldwide), or that Facebook might finally provide a counter-weight to the fearsome Google, the People for the Ethical Treatment of Data (PETD) are appalled.  One commenter on the Wired story put it best: I find it amazing that people [...]

]]> By: There is No Free Lunch! No Advertising, No Media | The Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-59784 There is No Free Lunch! No Advertising, No Media | The Technology Liberation Front Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:02:30 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-59784 <p>[...] home a simple message in the ongoing debate about targeted online advertising and privacy:  ”There is no Free Lunch!”  We don’t have a lot of friends in this debate, since nearly everyone else seems to [...]</p> [...] home a simple message in the ongoing debate about targeted online advertising and privacy:  ”There is no Free Lunch!”  We don’t have a lot of friends in this debate, since nearly everyone else seems to [...]

]]> By: Jeff Chester http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-59763 Jeff Chester Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:38:07 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-59763 <p>I find it ironic--if not disturbing--that the writers of this post are employed by an organization whose financial backers are the biggest online marketing companies: Google, Microsoft, News Corp/MySpace, Time Warner/Platform A, etc. Here's the list: <a href="http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html</a><br><br>The head in the digital sand `what me worry about my privacy' approach is similar to the wrongheaded thinking that led to the current financial crisis (but perhaps with well-heeled financial backers such as Google and Microsoft, the authors don't share the same financial and personal pain most US consumers experience!). The failure to regulate the financial sector directly led to the greatest economic catastrophe since the 1930's. Financial, health and other transactions essential for the welfare of consumers have moved online--all without regulatory safeguards. The authors continue to portray a online marketing system which doesn't reflect what's actually going on with consumers. Yet members of congress from both sides of the aisle can understand that when your information is collected and analyzed and used for purposes an individual hasn't consented to--let alone knows about--it's bad for consumers. I believe we can have reasonable regulation that permits consumer interests and a robust online marketplace. Anyone who thinks we can't have both is living in a previous era.</p> I find it ironic–if not disturbing–that the writers of this post are employed by an organization whose financial backers are the biggest online marketing companies: Google, Microsoft, News Corp/MySpace, Time Warner/Platform A, etc. Here's the list: http://www.pff.org/about/supporters.html

The head in the digital sand `what me worry about my privacy' approach is similar to the wrongheaded thinking that led to the current financial crisis (but perhaps with well-heeled financial backers such as Google and Microsoft, the authors don't share the same financial and personal pain most US consumers experience!). The failure to regulate the financial sector directly led to the greatest economic catastrophe since the 1930's. Financial, health and other transactions essential for the welfare of consumers have moved online–all without regulatory safeguards. The authors continue to portray a online marketing system which doesn't reflect what's actually going on with consumers. Yet members of congress from both sides of the aisle can understand that when your information is collected and analyzed and used for purposes an individual hasn't consented to–let alone knows about–it's bad for consumers. I believe we can have reasonable regulation that permits consumer interests and a robust online marketplace. Anyone who thinks we can't have both is living in a previous era.

]]> By: Richard Bennett http://techliberation.com/2009/06/17/behavioral-advertising-industry-practices-hearing-some-issues-that-need-to-be-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-59682 Richard Bennett Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:17:46 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=18806#comment-59682 <p>Nice piece.</p> Nice piece.

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