Comments on: The Return of Data Retention http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:03:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: The Case for Data Destruction (and Why Data Retention Mandates Would Make it Impossible) | The Technology Liberation Front http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/comment-page-1/#comment-58421 The Case for Data Destruction (and Why Data Retention Mandates Would Make it Impossible) | The Technology Liberation Front Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:34:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=16950#comment-58421 [...] is, as we discussed here last week, if some lawmakers in Washington get their way, it might be illegal to do that!  Quite obviously, [...] [...] is, as we discussed here last week, if some lawmakers in Washington get their way, it might be illegal to do that!  Quite obviously, [...]

]]> By: MikeRT http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/comment-page-1/#comment-65855 MikeRT Sat, 21 Feb 2009 04:07:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=16950#comment-65855 Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states <a href="http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2007/03/now-those-are-some-warped-reward-risk-incentives/" rel="nofollow">like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child</a>. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act. Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act.

]]> By: MikeRT http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/comment-page-1/#comment-61915 MikeRT Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:07:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=16950#comment-61915 Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states <a href="http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2007/03/now-those-are-some-warped-reward-risk-incentives/" rel="nofollow">like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child</a>. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act. Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act.

]]> By: MikeRT http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/comment-page-1/#comment-58310 MikeRT Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:07:22 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=16950#comment-58310 Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states <a href="http://www.codemonkeyramblings.com/2007/03/now-those-are-some-warped-reward-risk-incentives/" rel="nofollow">like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child</a>. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act. Your point is actually non-theoretical in some states like Arizona where the penalty for possession of a single picture can carry a sentence that is dangerously close to actually molesting a child. I don't think it takes a genius to see that that sort of incentive structure is almost guaranteed to make some people consider actually molesting a child since there is no legal distinction between the fantasy and the actual act.

]]> By: Stephen http://techliberation.com/2009/02/20/the-return-of-data-retention/comment-page-1/#comment-58303 Stephen Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:48:46 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=16950#comment-58303 Considering that (as far as I know) child pornography is shared on the internet freely and isn't profitable, I fail to see how stemming the spread of child porn online is going to do anything to combat the real danger - which is real life sexual abuse. In fact, it's possible that increased prosecution of those who share child porn could actually increase the incidence of child sexual abuse, as those who enjoy that sort of pornography cannot obtain it and instead must go out and "make it" themselves. There's also the possibility that watching child porn encourages people to go out and do it in real life, although few subscribe to this viewpoint when it comes to non-child pornography (for example, many have argued that the increased availability of "rape porn" and stuff like that has actually decreased its incidence in real life).<br><br>I'm just saying - I don't think the issue is as clear-cut as you're making it out to be...there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to think that clamping down on child porn will reduce the incidence of child sexual abuse. Considering that (as far as I know) child pornography is shared on the internet freely and isn't profitable, I fail to see how stemming the spread of child porn online is going to do anything to combat the real danger – which is real life sexual abuse. In fact, it's possible that increased prosecution of those who share child porn could actually increase the incidence of child sexual abuse, as those who enjoy that sort of pornography cannot obtain it and instead must go out and “make it” themselves. There's also the possibility that watching child porn encourages people to go out and do it in real life, although few subscribe to this viewpoint when it comes to non-child pornography (for example, many have argued that the increased availability of “rape porn” and stuff like that has actually decreased its incidence in real life).

I'm just saying – I don't think the issue is as clear-cut as you're making it out to be…there doesn't seem to be much of a reason to think that clamping down on child porn will reduce the incidence of child sexual abuse.

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