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		<title>By: The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Another Sky-is-Falling Zittrain Editorial...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Harvard Berkman Center professor Jonathan Zittrain has published another pessimistic, Steve-Jobs-is-Taking-Us-Straight-To-Cyber-Hell editorial building on the gloomy thesis he set forth in his 2008 book, The Future of the Internet and How to Stop It. H...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another Sky-is-Falling Zittrain Editorial&#8230;</strong></p>

<p>Harvard Berkman Center professor Jonathan Zittrain has published another pessimistic, Steve-Jobs-is-Taking-Us-Straight-To-Cyber-Hell editorial building on the gloomy thesis he set forth in his 2008 book, The Future of the Internet and How to Stop It. H&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: uggworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>uggworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie and fitch clothing&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie and fitch clothing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is associated with an active, healthy and sporty lifestyle and this is clearly represented in all the the &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that this manufacturer makes. The look is fresh, physical and fun and this &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie &amp; fitch stores&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie &amp; fitch stores&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; line seems to have a staying power that will ensure it will be with us for many more years to come.  It is clothing for the youthful members of society and is seen being worn from the inner cities to the urban outback.  &lt;a title=&quot;a &amp; f&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a &amp; f&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is durable and designed to keep up with the active lifestyles of today.&lt;br&gt;Like all premium consumer products, &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;’s (ANF) sales hit a brick wall in the wake of the GFC. After delivering years of stable profitability, the company’s result for the full year to December registered a dramatic downturn. This only got worse in the opening quarter of 2009, with an uncharacteristic quarterly loss blotting Abercrombie’s copybook.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="abercrombie and fitch clothing" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie and fitch clothing</strong></a> is associated with an active, healthy and sporty lifestyle and this is clearly represented in all the the <a title="abercrombie" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie</strong></a> that this manufacturer makes. The look is fresh, physical and fun and this <a title="abercrombie &#038; fitch stores" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie &amp; fitch stores</strong></a> line seems to have a staying power that will ensure it will be with us for many more years to come.  It is clothing for the youthful members of society and is seen being worn from the inner cities to the urban outback.  <a title="a &#038; f" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>a &amp; f</strong></a> is durable and designed to keep up with the active lifestyles of today.<br />Like all premium consumer products, <a title="abercrombie" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie</strong></a>’s (ANF) sales hit a brick wall in the wake of the GFC. After delivering years of stable profitability, the company’s result for the full year to December registered a dramatic downturn. This only got worse in the opening quarter of 2009, with an uncharacteristic quarterly loss blotting Abercrombie’s copybook.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: uggworld</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-63153</link>
		<dc:creator>uggworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie and fitch clothing&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie and fitch clothing&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is associated with an active, healthy and sporty lifestyle and this is clearly represented in all the the &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that this manufacturer makes. The look is fresh, physical and fun and this &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie &amp; fitch stores&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie &amp; fitch stores&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; line seems to have a staying power that will ensure it will be with us for many more years to come.  It is clothing for the youthful members of society and is seen being worn from the inner cities to the urban outback.  &lt;a title=&quot;a &amp; f&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;a &amp; f&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; is durable and designed to keep up with the active lifestyles of today.&lt;br&gt;Like all premium consumer products, &lt;a title=&quot;abercrombie&quot; href=&quot;http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk&quot; rel=&quot;dofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;abercrombie&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;’s (ANF) sales hit a brick wall in the wake of the GFC. After delivering years of stable profitability, the company’s result for the full year to December registered a dramatic downturn. This only got worse in the opening quarter of 2009, with an uncharacteristic quarterly loss blotting Abercrombie’s copybook.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="abercrombie and fitch clothing" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie and fitch clothing</strong></a> is associated with an active, healthy and sporty lifestyle and this is clearly represented in all the the <a title="abercrombie" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie</strong></a> that this manufacturer makes. The look is fresh, physical and fun and this <a title="abercrombie &#038; fitch stores" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie &amp; fitch stores</strong></a> line seems to have a staying power that will ensure it will be with us for many more years to come.  It is clothing for the youthful members of society and is seen being worn from the inner cities to the urban outback.  <a title="a &#038; f" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>a &amp; f</strong></a> is durable and designed to keep up with the active lifestyles of today.<br />Like all premium consumer products, <a title="abercrombie" href="http://www.abercrombieonsale.co.uk" rel="dofollow" rel="nofollow"><strong>abercrombie</strong></a>’s (ANF) sales hit a brick wall in the wake of the GFC. After delivering years of stable profitability, the company’s result for the full year to December registered a dramatic downturn. This only got worse in the opening quarter of 2009, with an uncharacteristic quarterly loss blotting Abercrombie’s copybook.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-61866</link>
		<dc:creator>The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;You&#039;d Have to Be Smoking Dope to Believe the Zittrain-Lessig Thesis...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Over the past couple of years here, I have relentlessly hammered Harvard&#039;s dynamic duo of digital doom, Jonathan Zittrain (see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) and Lawrence Lessig (see 1, 2, 3), for their extraordinarily gloomy predictions about the......&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You&#8217;d Have to Be Smoking Dope to Believe the Zittrain-Lessig Thesis&#8230;</strong></p>

<p>Over the past couple of years here, I have relentlessly hammered Harvard&#8217;s dynamic duo of digital doom, Jonathan Zittrain (see 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) and Lawrence Lessig (see 1, 2, 3), for their extraordinarily gloomy predictions about the&#8230;&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;d Have to Be Smoking Dope to Believe the Zittrain-Lessig Thesis — Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-61829</link>
		<dc:creator>You&#8217;d Have to Be Smoking Dope to Believe the Zittrain-Lessig Thesis — Technology Liberation Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] anymore!  And finally, it goes without saying that Apple can&#8217;t even keep people from jailbreaking their phones in a matter of hours after release.  How all this adds up to the specter of &#8220;perfect [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] anymore!  And finally, it goes without saying that Apple can&#8217;t even keep people from jailbreaking their phones in a matter of hours after release.  How all this adds up to the specter of &#8220;perfect [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cato Unbound &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ten Years of Code: Best of the Blogs</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59388</link>
		<dc:creator>Cato Unbound &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ten Years of Code: Best of the Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Alleyne at Unity Behind Diversity writes,  I get so frustrated when people rationalize the locked down nature of the iPhone by saying that they can just unlock it. Unlocking an iPhone is [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alleyne at Unity Behind Diversity writes,  I get so frustrated when people rationalize the locked down nature of the iPhone by saying that they can just unlock it. Unlocking an iPhone is [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bret Swanson - Maximum Entropy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Code&#8221; at 10</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59319</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret Swanson - Maximum Entropy &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#8220;Code&#8221; at 10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Unity Behind Diversity &#187; The Illusion That &#8220;Choice&#8221; Means That There&#8217;s Nothing To Fear From Code &#187; Blaise Alleyne</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59290</link>
		<dc:creator>Unity Behind Diversity &#187; The Illusion That &#8220;Choice&#8221; Means That There&#8217;s Nothing To Fear From Code &#187; Blaise Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] stuff: Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the case [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] stuff: Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the case [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cato Unbound &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Code, Pessimism, and the Illusion of &#8220;Perfect Control&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59280</link>
		<dc:creator>Cato Unbound &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Code, Pessimism, and the Illusion of &#8220;Perfect Control&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the case [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Not only are walled gardens dead, but just about every proprietary digital system is quickly cracked open and modified or challenged by open source and free-to-the-world Web 2.0 alternatives. How can this be the case [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Most Important Tech Policy Books of 2008 &#124; The Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-57861</link>
		<dc:creator>The Most Important Tech Policy Books of 2008 &#124; The Technology Liberation Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] in a lengthy book review and a series of follow-up essays here and elsewhere. (Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5).  We’ve also debated his book on the an NPR-Boston [audio is here] and we debated in person [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in a lengthy book review and a series of follow-up essays here and elsewhere. (Part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5).  We’ve also debated his book on the an NPR-Boston [audio is here] and we debated in person [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mobile OS Platforms, Competition, &#38; Generativity &#124; The Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-57510</link>
		<dc:creator>Mobile OS Platforms, Competition, &#38; Generativity &#124; The Technology Liberation Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] (Ignore the fact that the iPhone becomes more open to 3rd party apps with each passing day and that Apple&#8217;s latest iPhone OS was cracked in a matter of hours after release). Zittrain and many others have been beating this gloomy [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (Ignore the fact that the iPhone becomes more open to 3rd party apps with each passing day and that Apple&#8217;s latest iPhone OS was cracked in a matter of hours after release). Zittrain and many others have been beating this gloomy [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: another review of Zittrain&#8217;s &#8220;Future of the Internet&#8221; - The Technology Liberation Front</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-56259</link>
		<dc:creator>another review of Zittrain&#8217;s &#8220;Future of the Internet&#8221; - The Technology Liberation Front</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] that I have already penned a review of the book and several follow-up essays. (Part 1, 2, 3, 4). I swear I am not picking on Jonathan, but his book is probably the most important technology [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that I have already penned a review of the book and several follow-up essays. (Part 1, 2, 3, 4). I swear I am not picking on Jonathan, but his book is probably the most important technology [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44959</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t disagree with your first few sentences. The last sentence, however, is where the strawman-pummelling is found. I can  just repeat: You seem to believe that he&#039;s said that &quot;sterile and tethered&quot; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#039;t help if the premise is off-base.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disagree with your first few sentences. The last sentence, however, is where the strawman-pummelling is found. I can  just repeat: You seem to believe that he&#8217;s said that &#8220;sterile and tethered&#8221; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#8217;t help if the premise is off-base.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44958</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seth... Jonathan&#039;s book is receiving an incredible amount of attention, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m giving it this much scrutiny. More specifically, I have been asking him to PROVE his thesis, something I think he has failed to do. The burden of proof is on him to show us how the Internet is &quot;dying&quot; and generative technologies are disappearing, or growing more closed. In the examples I offered in my essays, I try to show how the EXACT OPPOSITE has been the case for many years now. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am awaiting evidence to the contrary.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth&#8230; Jonathan&#8217;s book is receiving an incredible amount of attention, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m giving it this much scrutiny. More specifically, I have been asking him to PROVE his thesis, something I think he has failed to do. The burden of proof is on him to show us how the Internet is &#8220;dying&#8221; and generative technologies are disappearing, or growing more closed. In the examples I offered in my essays, I try to show how the EXACT OPPOSITE has been the case for many years now. <br /><br />I am awaiting evidence to the contrary.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44957</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll just repeat what I said before, since nothing has progressed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Adam, while JZ certainly does not need me to defend him, and I probably shouldn’t get-into-it, so I’m commenting here against my better judgment … that all being said, I believe you are not quite grasping the overall argument being made. Granted, there may be a relevant problem of what-he-said vs. what-he-meant. And I’ve certainly struggled over his points myself. Still, I suggest the above reading you make is far too simplistic.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think things went off the rails right around this point in your reply to him:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Again, I guess I just don&#039;t see how all of us would &quot;lose a sense of equilibrium between the generative and sterile spheres,&quot; or that &quot;platforms that are open to third party innovation at first&quot; will &quot;close off selectively&quot; and &quot;squeeze out fully generative technologies.&quot;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, that&#039;s sort of what his book is all about, why that will happen (n.b. I&#039;m not endorsing it in this comment, just explaining what I view him as saying, roughly). If you want to claim he&#039;s wrong, OK. But thereafter, you seem to start pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously. You seem to believe that he&#039;s said that &quot;sterile and tethered&quot; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#039;t help if the premise is off-base.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[See case study above of &quot;pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously&quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just repeat what I said before, since nothing has progressed:<br /><br />Adam, while JZ certainly does not need me to defend him, and I probably shouldn’t get-into-it, so I’m commenting here against my better judgment … that all being said, I believe you are not quite grasping the overall argument being made. Granted, there may be a relevant problem of what-he-said vs. what-he-meant. And I’ve certainly struggled over his points myself. Still, I suggest the above reading you make is far too simplistic.<br /><br />I think things went off the rails right around this point in your reply to him:<br /><br />&#8220;Again, I guess I just don&#8217;t see how all of us would &#8220;lose a sense of equilibrium between the generative and sterile spheres,&#8221; or that &#8220;platforms that are open to third party innovation at first&#8221; will &#8220;close off selectively&#8221; and &#8220;squeeze out fully generative technologies.&#8221;"<br /><br />Well, that&#8217;s sort of what his book is all about, why that will happen (n.b. I&#8217;m not endorsing it in this comment, just explaining what I view him as saying, roughly). If you want to claim he&#8217;s wrong, OK. But thereafter, you seem to start pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously. You seem to believe that he&#8217;s said that &#8220;sterile and tethered&#8221; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#8217;t help if the premise is off-base.<br /><br />[See case study above of "pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously"]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wouldn&#039;t disagree with your first few sentences. The last sentence, however, is where the strawman-pummelling is found. I can  just repeat: You seem to believe that he&#039;s said that &quot;sterile and tethered&quot; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#039;t help if the premise is off-base.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disagree with your first few sentences. The last sentence, however, is where the strawman-pummelling is found. I can  just repeat: You seem to believe that he&#8217;s said that &#8220;sterile and tethered&#8221; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#8217;t help if the premise is off-base.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seth... Jonathan&#039;s book is receiving an incredible amount of attention, and that&#039;s why I&#039;m giving it this much scrutiny. More specifically, I have been asking him to PROVE his thesis, something I think he has failed to do. The burden of proof is on him to show us how the Internet is &quot;dying&quot; and generative technologies are disappearing, or growing more closed. In the examples I offered in my essays, I try to show how the EXACT OPPOSITE has been the case for many years now.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am awaiting evidence to the contrary.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth&#8230; Jonathan&#8217;s book is receiving an incredible amount of attention, and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m giving it this much scrutiny. More specifically, I have been asking him to PROVE his thesis, something I think he has failed to do. The burden of proof is on him to show us how the Internet is &#8220;dying&#8221; and generative technologies are disappearing, or growing more closed. In the examples I offered in my essays, I try to show how the EXACT OPPOSITE has been the case for many years now.</p>

<p>I am awaiting evidence to the contrary.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-42619</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ll just repeat what I said before, since nothing has progressed:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Adam, while JZ certainly does not need me to defend him, and I probably shouldn’t get-into-it, so I’m commenting here against my better judgment … that all being said, I believe you are not quite grasping the overall argument being made. Granted, there may be a relevant problem of what-he-said vs. what-he-meant. And I’ve certainly struggled over his points myself. Still, I suggest the above reading you make is far too simplistic.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think things went off the rails right around this point in your reply to him:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Again, I guess I just don&#039;t see how all of us would &quot;lose a sense of equilibrium between the generative and sterile spheres,&quot; or that &quot;platforms that are open to third party innovation at first&quot; will &quot;close off selectively&quot; and &quot;squeeze out fully generative technologies.&quot;&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, that&#039;s sort of what his book is all about, why that will happen (n.b. I&#039;m not endorsing it in this comment, just explaining what I view him as saying, roughly). If you want to claim he&#039;s wrong, OK. But thereafter, you seem to start pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously. You seem to believe that he&#039;s said that &quot;sterile and tethered&quot; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#039;t help if the premise is off-base.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;[See case study above of &quot;pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously&quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll just repeat what I said before, since nothing has progressed:</p>

<p>Adam, while JZ certainly does not need me to defend him, and I probably shouldn’t get-into-it, so I’m commenting here against my better judgment … that all being said, I believe you are not quite grasping the overall argument being made. Granted, there may be a relevant problem of what-he-said vs. what-he-meant. And I’ve certainly struggled over his points myself. Still, I suggest the above reading you make is far too simplistic.</p>

<p>I think things went off the rails right around this point in your reply to him:</p>

<p>&#8220;Again, I guess I just don&#8217;t see how all of us would &#8220;lose a sense of equilibrium between the generative and sterile spheres,&#8221; or that &#8220;platforms that are open to third party innovation at first&#8221; will &#8220;close off selectively&#8221; and &#8220;squeeze out fully generative technologies.&#8221;"</p>

<p>Well, that&#8217;s sort of what his book is all about, why that will happen (n.b. I&#8217;m not endorsing it in this comment, just explaining what I view him as saying, roughly). If you want to claim he&#8217;s wrong, OK. But thereafter, you seem to start pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously. You seem to believe that he&#8217;s said that &#8220;sterile and tethered&#8221; are not useful to anyone for anything and never any good in any way, and set yourself to refuting this with great vigor. In the essays, you say things at length, but the length doesn&#8217;t help if the premise is off-base.</p>

<p>[See case study above of "pummeling straw-men, endlessly, tediously"]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donovan</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44956</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Adam, in light of the fiasco with activation which has bricked millions of phones and made obsolete others, it seems JZ&#039;s thesis is relevant. The considerable time he spends discussing the ramifications of tethered appliances and perfect control seem important.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Adam, in light of the fiasco with activation which has bricked millions of phones and made obsolete others, it seems JZ&#8217;s thesis is relevant. The considerable time he spends discussing the ramifications of tethered appliances and perfect control seem important.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Kevin Donovan</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-42611</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually, Adam, in light of the fiasco with activation which has bricked millions of phones and made obsolete others, it seems JZ&#039;s thesis is relevant. The considerable time he spends discussing the ramifications of tethered appliances and perfect control seem important.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Adam, in light of the fiasco with activation which has bricked millions of phones and made obsolete others, it seems JZ&#8217;s thesis is relevant. The considerable time he spends discussing the ramifications of tethered appliances and perfect control seem important.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44955</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 15:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim... I answered your question in &lt;a href=&quot;http://techliberation.com/2008/04/12/another-problem-for-the-zittrain-thesis-old-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my previous essay&lt;/a&gt; about Zittrain&#039;s thesis...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;People are getting the choices and configurations they want. Older generations are simply not comfortable with the “general purpose” devices that tinker-happy gadgeteers like Zittrain and me prefer. Shouldn’t those people get to enjoy some of the same digital experiences and communications options that the rest of us do without being expected to configure their cell phones or program their PCs?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, markets are responding to these needs, but not in ways that Prof. Zittrain prefers. Perhaps in another 25 years, when today’s generation of techno-geeks are grandparents, we’ll all be perfectly comfortable with the devices and networks that Zittrain (and I) prefer. For now, that is not enough. People demand more choices–even if they are “sterile and tethered.” They should get them, and luckily they are. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; I answered your question in <a href="http://techliberation.com/2008/04/12/another-problem-for-the-zittrain-thesis-old-people/" rel="nofollow">my previous essay</a> about Zittrain&#8217;s thesis&#8230;<br /><br /></p>

<blockquote>People are getting the choices and configurations they want. Older generations are simply not comfortable with the “general purpose” devices that tinker-happy gadgeteers like Zittrain and me prefer. Shouldn’t those people get to enjoy some of the same digital experiences and communications options that the rest of us do without being expected to configure their cell phones or program their PCs?<br /><br />Again, markets are responding to these needs, but not in ways that Prof. Zittrain prefers. Perhaps in another 25 years, when today’s generation of techno-geeks are grandparents, we’ll all be perfectly comfortable with the devices and networks that Zittrain (and I) prefer. For now, that is not enough. People demand more choices–even if they are “sterile and tethered.” They should get them, and luckily they are. </blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim... I answered your question in &lt;a href=&quot;http://techliberation.com/2008/04/12/another-problem-for-the-zittrain-thesis-old-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my previous essay&lt;/a&gt; about Zittrain&#039;s thesis...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;People are getting the choices and configurations they want. Older generations are simply not comfortable with the “general purpose” devices that tinker-happy gadgeteers like Zittrain and me prefer. Shouldn’t those people get to enjoy some of the same digital experiences and communications options that the rest of us do without being expected to configure their cell phones or program their PCs?

Again, markets are responding to these needs, but not in ways that Prof. Zittrain prefers. Perhaps in another 25 years, when today’s generation of techno-geeks are grandparents, we’ll all be perfectly comfortable with the devices and networks that Zittrain (and I) prefer. For now, that is not enough. People demand more choices–even if they are “sterile and tethered.” They should get them, and luckily they are. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; I answered your question in <a href="http://techliberation.com/2008/04/12/another-problem-for-the-zittrain-thesis-old-people/" rel="nofollow">my previous essay</a> about Zittrain&#8217;s thesis&#8230;</p>

<blockquote>People are getting the choices and configurations they want. Older generations are simply not comfortable with the “general purpose” devices that tinker-happy gadgeteers like Zittrain and me prefer. Shouldn’t those people get to enjoy some of the same digital experiences and communications options that the rest of us do without being expected to configure their cell phones or program their PCs?

Again, markets are responding to these needs, but not in ways that Prof. Zittrain prefers. Perhaps in another 25 years, when today’s generation of techno-geeks are grandparents, we’ll all be perfectly comfortable with the devices and networks that Zittrain (and I) prefer. For now, that is not enough. People demand more choices–even if they are “sterile and tethered.” They should get them, and luckily they are. </blockquote>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 14:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From one perspective, Apple seems to be creating a closed proprietary system. This is true, to an extent. One of the things that Apple often does, but not always, is turn the other way when it&#039;s systems are hacked. When Apple reacts stringently to such hacking, there usually seems to be some other hand in the mix, mostly through third party contracts Apple has entered into, such as its contract with AT&amp;T, its contracts with the record companies for distributing music, and so on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They walk a fine line, and sometimes they get caught on the wrong side of it ... at least there are plenty of critics around to call it on the carpet when needed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one perspective, Apple seems to be creating a closed proprietary system. This is true, to an extent. One of the things that Apple often does, but not always, is turn the other way when it&#8217;s systems are hacked. When Apple reacts stringently to such hacking, there usually seems to be some other hand in the mix, mostly through third party contracts Apple has entered into, such as its contract with AT&amp;T, its contracts with the record companies for distributing music, and so on.<br /><br />They walk a fine line, and sometimes they get caught on the wrong side of it &#8230; at least there are plenty of critics around to call it on the carpet when needed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44953</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doesn&#039;t the number of people who have access to generative technology matter for Zittrain&#039;s thesis. Defaults matter, and if only a small number of iPhone users are willing and able to crack their iPhones, then it remains closed and proprietary for the vast majority. At least part of Zittrain&#039;s argument is that the iPhone is the leading edge of people expecting their edge devices to give them less freedom. My parents aren&#039;t going to be cracking their iphones anytime soon . . .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the number of people who have access to generative technology matter for Zittrain&#8217;s thesis. Defaults matter, and if only a small number of iPhone users are willing and able to crack their iPhones, then it remains closed and proprietary for the vast majority. At least part of Zittrain&#8217;s argument is that the iPhone is the leading edge of people expecting their edge devices to give them less freedom. My parents aren&#8217;t going to be cracking their iphones anytime soon . . .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/07/10/iphone-20-cracked-in-hours-what-was-that-zittrain-thesis-again/comment-page-1/#comment-44952</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;a dangerous new emerging business model that would destroy the “generative” nature of the Net by pushing people into closed systems.&quot;, where has Zittrain been? This concept has been forced upon us over the course of many years, and he is only now comprehending the foolishness of this concept. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)was passed in 1998, which is reflective of the fact that the &lt;i&gt;&quot;protection&quot;&lt;/i&gt; of closed systems has been on the table for a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a dangerous new emerging business model that would destroy the “generative” nature of the Net by pushing people into closed systems.&#8221;, where has Zittrain been? This concept has been forced upon us over the course of many years, and he is only now comprehending the foolishness of this concept. <br /><br />Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)was passed in 1998, which is reflective of the fact that the <i>&#8220;protection&#8221;</i> of closed systems has been on the table for a long time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 13:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;From one perspective, Apple seems to be creating a closed proprietary system. This is true, to an extent. One of the things that Apple often does, but not always, is turn the other way when it&#039;s systems are hacked. When Apple reacts stringently to such hacking, there usually seems to be some other hand in the mix, mostly through third party contracts Apple has entered into, such as its contract with AT&amp;T, its contracts with the record companies for distributing music, and so on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They walk a fine line, and sometimes they get caught on the wrong side of it ... at least there are plenty of critics around to call it on the carpet when needed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From one perspective, Apple seems to be creating a closed proprietary system. This is true, to an extent. One of the things that Apple often does, but not always, is turn the other way when it&#8217;s systems are hacked. When Apple reacts stringently to such hacking, there usually seems to be some other hand in the mix, mostly through third party contracts Apple has entered into, such as its contract with AT&amp;T, its contracts with the record companies for distributing music, and so on.</p>

<p>They walk a fine line, and sometimes they get caught on the wrong side of it &#8230; at least there are plenty of critics around to call it on the carpet when needed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doesn&#039;t the number of people who have access to generative technology matter for Zittrain&#039;s thesis. Defaults matter, and if only a small number of iPhone users are willing and able to crack their iPhones, then it remains closed and proprietary for the vast majority. At least part of Zittrain&#039;s argument is that the iPhone is the leading edge of people expecting their edge devices to give them less freedom. My parents aren&#039;t going to be cracking their iphones anytime soon . . .&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the number of people who have access to generative technology matter for Zittrain&#8217;s thesis. Defaults matter, and if only a small number of iPhone users are willing and able to crack their iPhones, then it remains closed and proprietary for the vast majority. At least part of Zittrain&#8217;s argument is that the iPhone is the leading edge of people expecting their edge devices to give them less freedom. My parents aren&#8217;t going to be cracking their iphones anytime soon . . .</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;a dangerous new emerging business model that would destroy the “generative” nature of the Net by pushing people into closed systems.&quot;, where has Zittrain been? This concept has been forced upon us over the course of many years, and he is only now comprehending the foolishness of this concept.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)was passed in 1998, which is reflective of the fact that the &lt;i&gt;&quot;protection&quot;&lt;/i&gt; of closed systems has been on the table for a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a dangerous new emerging business model that would destroy the “generative” nature of the Net by pushing people into closed systems.&#8221;, where has Zittrain been? This concept has been forced upon us over the course of many years, and he is only now comprehending the foolishness of this concept.</p>

<p>Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)was passed in 1998, which is reflective of the fact that the <i>&#8220;protection&#8221;</i> of closed systems has been on the table for a long time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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