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		<title>By: Google, Nexus One, Subsidized Handsets &#38; Consumer Choices</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-68107</link>
		<dc:creator>Google, Nexus One, Subsidized Handsets &#38; Consumer Choices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 21:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] this constituted an egregious harm that should be remedied by regulatory intervention.  As Cord Blomquist pointed out here back in 2008, however, &#8220;forcing unbundling&#8230; means banning subsidized phones [which is] [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this constituted an egregious harm that should be remedied by regulatory intervention.  As Cord Blomquist pointed out here back in 2008, however, &#8220;forcing unbundling&#8230; means banning subsidized phones [which is] [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cordblomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52089</link>
		<dc:creator>cordblomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 22:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cory, I agree that customers could derive the same benefits from installment plans, but would such plans work in the market alongside phones tied to contracts?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Imagine customers are faced with these choices:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) An $800 iPhone that requires $199 down payment and 24 monthly payments of $25.  This phone is not tied to a plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) A $199 iPhone that is tied to a $60 a month data plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the average consumers is still going to go for the second option simply because it seems cheaper.  Voice and data plans for the phone are going to run around $50 anyway, so few customers would see the advantage of paying $25 + $50 when they could pay $60 per month and not be faced with the intimidating $800 price tag.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even if the phone were cheaper and it worked out that a monthly plan was worse for consumers many might still opt for the phone married to the contract because they aren&#039;t met with an initial price tag that&#039;s so high.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with you that the government should not be propping up failed anti-unlocking schemes.  DRM, anti-unlocking software, and other such restrictions placed on technologies in order to get them to jive with existing business plans should be allowed in a free-market, but government should not come to the rescue of Apple when it’s schemes fail just as it shouldn’t prop-up the DRM on Blu-Ray players or anything else.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think DRM is going to go the way of the dinosaur along with DHM—digital handset management.  But shouldn’t we let it do so on its own?  I believe that the market will find its way to open cell phones, but I think there could also be a place for DHM devices for many years to come.  Why not let all market niches be filled instead of demanding that everyone conform to the business model that best suites the needs of the uber-geeks?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I agree that customers could derive the same benefits from installment plans, but would such plans work in the market alongside phones tied to contracts?<br /><br />Imagine customers are faced with these choices:<br /><br />1) An $800 iPhone that requires $199 down payment and 24 monthly payments of $25.  This phone is not tied to a plan.<br /><br />2) A $199 iPhone that is tied to a $60 a month data plan.<br /><br />I think the average consumers is still going to go for the second option simply because it seems cheaper.  Voice and data plans for the phone are going to run around $50 anyway, so few customers would see the advantage of paying $25 + $50 when they could pay $60 per month and not be faced with the intimidating $800 price tag.<br /><br />Even if the phone were cheaper and it worked out that a monthly plan was worse for consumers many might still opt for the phone married to the contract because they aren&#8217;t met with an initial price tag that&#8217;s so high.<br /><br />I agree with you that the government should not be propping up failed anti-unlocking schemes.  DRM, anti-unlocking software, and other such restrictions placed on technologies in order to get them to jive with existing business plans should be allowed in a free-market, but government should not come to the rescue of Apple when it’s schemes fail just as it shouldn’t prop-up the DRM on Blu-Ray players or anything else.<br /><br />I think DRM is going to go the way of the dinosaur along with DHM—digital handset management.  But shouldn’t we let it do so on its own?  I believe that the market will find its way to open cell phones, but I think there could also be a place for DHM devices for many years to come.  Why not let all market niches be filled instead of demanding that everyone conform to the business model that best suites the needs of the uber-geeks?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cord Blomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42333</link>
		<dc:creator>Cord Blomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cory, I agree that customers could derive the same benefits from installment plans, but would such plans work in the market alongside phones tied to contracts?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Imagine customers are faced with these choices:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;1) An $800 iPhone that requires $199 down payment and 24 monthly payments of $25.  This phone is not tied to a plan.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;2) A $199 iPhone that is tied to a $60 a month data plan.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the average consumers is still going to go for the second option simply because it seems cheaper.  Voice and data plans for the phone are going to run around $50 anyway, so few customers would see the advantage of paying $25 + $50 when they could pay $60 per month and not be faced with the intimidating $800 price tag.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even if the phone were cheaper and it worked out that a monthly plan was worse for consumers many might still opt for the phone married to the contract because they aren&#039;t met with an initial price tag that&#039;s so high.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I agree with you that the government should not be propping up failed anti-unlocking schemes.  DRM, anti-unlocking software, and other such restrictions placed on technologies in order to get them to jive with existing business plans should be allowed in a free-market, but government should not come to the rescue of Apple when it’s schemes fail just as it shouldn’t prop-up the DRM on Blu-Ray players or anything else.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think DRM is going to go the way of the dinosaur along with DHM—digital handset management.  But shouldn’t we let it do so on its own?  I believe that the market will find its way to open cell phones, but I think there could also be a place for DHM devices for many years to come.  Why not let all market niches be filled instead of demanding that everyone conform to the business model that best suites the needs of the uber-geeks?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I agree that customers could derive the same benefits from installment plans, but would such plans work in the market alongside phones tied to contracts?</p>

<p>Imagine customers are faced with these choices:</p>

<p>1) An $800 iPhone that requires $199 down payment and 24 monthly payments of $25.  This phone is not tied to a plan.</p>

<p>2) A $199 iPhone that is tied to a $60 a month data plan.</p>

<p>I think the average consumers is still going to go for the second option simply because it seems cheaper.  Voice and data plans for the phone are going to run around $50 anyway, so few customers would see the advantage of paying $25 + $50 when they could pay $60 per month and not be faced with the intimidating $800 price tag.</p>

<p>Even if the phone were cheaper and it worked out that a monthly plan was worse for consumers many might still opt for the phone married to the contract because they aren&#8217;t met with an initial price tag that&#8217;s so high.</p>

<p>I agree with you that the government should not be propping up failed anti-unlocking schemes.  DRM, anti-unlocking software, and other such restrictions placed on technologies in order to get them to jive with existing business plans should be allowed in a free-market, but government should not come to the rescue of Apple when it’s schemes fail just as it shouldn’t prop-up the DRM on Blu-Ray players or anything else.</p>

<p>I think DRM is going to go the way of the dinosaur along with DHM—digital handset management.  But shouldn’t we let it do so on its own?  I believe that the market will find its way to open cell phones, but I think there could also be a place for DHM devices for many years to come.  Why not let all market niches be filled instead of demanding that everyone conform to the business model that best suites the needs of the uber-geeks?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52088</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 20:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As Tim Wu has pointed out, if there&#039;s a positive externality (more ready access to more powerful handsets) that arises from handset subsidy, then exactly the same externality could arise from phones sold on the installment plan -- without forcing consumers to accede to having their most personal technology locked against them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with handset locking is that it requires enforcement -- at public expense -- to prevent handset unlocking. It&#039;s not a &quot;natural market&quot; -- it&#039;s one that requires extraordinary incursions into the marketplace by government. It asks a regulator to place a heavy thumb on the scales in favor of this model.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tim Wu has pointed out, if there&#8217;s a positive externality (more ready access to more powerful handsets) that arises from handset subsidy, then exactly the same externality could arise from phones sold on the installment plan &#8212; without forcing consumers to accede to having their most personal technology locked against them.<br /><br />The problem with handset locking is that it requires enforcement &#8212; at public expense &#8212; to prevent handset unlocking. It&#8217;s not a &#8220;natural market&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s one that requires extraordinary incursions into the marketplace by government. It asks a regulator to place a heavy thumb on the scales in favor of this model.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42316</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As Tim Wu has pointed out, if there&#039;s a positive externality (more ready access to more powerful handsets) that arises from handset subsidy, then exactly the same externality could arise from phones sold on the installment plan -- without forcing consumers to accede to having their most personal technology locked against them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The problem with handset locking is that it requires enforcement -- at public expense -- to prevent handset unlocking. It&#039;s not a &quot;natural market&quot; -- it&#039;s one that requires extraordinary incursions into the marketplace by government. It asks a regulator to place a heavy thumb on the scales in favor of this model.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tim Wu has pointed out, if there&#8217;s a positive externality (more ready access to more powerful handsets) that arises from handset subsidy, then exactly the same externality could arise from phones sold on the installment plan &#8212; without forcing consumers to accede to having their most personal technology locked against them.</p>

<p>The problem with handset locking is that it requires enforcement &#8212; at public expense &#8212; to prevent handset unlocking. It&#8217;s not a &#8220;natural market&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s one that requires extraordinary incursions into the marketplace by government. It asks a regulator to place a heavy thumb on the scales in favor of this model.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52087</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cannot should be &quot;should not be able to&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cannot should be &#8220;should not be able to&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52086</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or cripple it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t object to them refusing to activate it without a service, what I object to is the idea that if you get it activated one way or another, and they didn&#039;t have a written contractual agreement with you on how you would use it, they cannot legally cripple or shut off your property.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or cripple it.<br /><br />I don&#8217;t object to them refusing to activate it without a service, what I object to is the idea that if you get it activated one way or another, and they didn&#8217;t have a written contractual agreement with you on how you would use it, they cannot legally cripple or shut off your property.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52085</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be better to have a policy in place that says that if Apple does not get a written contract with its users, it cannot render their phone unusable based on a user&#039;s relationship with AT&amp;T. Meaning that if Apple doesn&#039;t have a written contract with me that I signed at the Apple Store, and my plan runs out after a year, and I want to use my iPhone as a more capable iPod Touch, Apple cannot just shut off my property.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be better to have a policy in place that says that if Apple does not get a written contract with its users, it cannot render their phone unusable based on a user&#8217;s relationship with AT&amp;T. Meaning that if Apple doesn&#8217;t have a written contract with me that I signed at the Apple Store, and my plan runs out after a year, and I want to use my iPhone as a more capable iPod Touch, Apple cannot just shut off my property.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Marti</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-52084</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Counterexample: Pre-breakup AT&amp;T wasn&#039;t allowed to license Unix to customers, so the variety of Unix options on the market was huge.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counterexample: Pre-breakup AT&amp;T wasn&#8217;t allowed to license Unix to customers, so the variety of Unix options on the market was huge.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42294</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cannot should be &quot;should not be able to&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cannot should be &#8220;should not be able to&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42293</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or cripple it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t object to them refusing to activate it without a service, what I object to is the idea that if you get it activated one way or another, and they didn&#039;t have a written contractual agreement with you on how you would use it, they cannot legally cripple or shut off your property.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or cripple it.</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t object to them refusing to activate it without a service, what I object to is the idea that if you get it activated one way or another, and they didn&#8217;t have a written contractual agreement with you on how you would use it, they cannot legally cripple or shut off your property.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42292</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It would be better to have a policy in place that says that if Apple does not get a written contract with its users, it cannot render their phone unusable based on a user&#039;s relationship with AT&amp;T. Meaning that if Apple doesn&#039;t have a written contract with me that I signed at the Apple Store, and my plan runs out after a year, and I want to use my iPhone as a more capable iPod Touch, Apple cannot just shut off my property.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be better to have a policy in place that says that if Apple does not get a written contract with its users, it cannot render their phone unusable based on a user&#8217;s relationship with AT&amp;T. Meaning that if Apple doesn&#8217;t have a written contract with me that I signed at the Apple Store, and my plan runs out after a year, and I want to use my iPhone as a more capable iPod Touch, Apple cannot just shut off my property.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Don Marti</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/06/12/cell-phone-contracts-contradictions/comment-page-1/#comment-42290</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Marti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 17:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Counterexample: Pre-breakup AT&amp;T wasn&#039;t allowed to license Unix to customers, so the variety of Unix options on the market was huge.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Counterexample: Pre-breakup AT&amp;T wasn&#8217;t allowed to license Unix to customers, so the variety of Unix options on the market was huge.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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