Comments on: What’s pointless about fun? http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:13:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: nulls101 http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-56380 nulls101 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:28:56 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-56380 Thanks for sharing<br><br>Regards<br>Max<br><a href="http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/">http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/</a> Thanks for sharing

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]]> By: Adam Thierer http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-54625 Adam Thierer Sat, 03 May 2008 21:54:19 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-54625 Eric... I think you make a fair point and I did not mean to imply that it is acceptable to live a purely hedonistic lifestyle, devoid of any substantive social learning or interaction. My entire life is governed by the old Aristotlian golden mean of 'all things in moderation,' and that would certainly include entertainment. <br><br>However, the really interesting question is this: Are we as a society better informed and political aware today DESPITE all that mindless entertainment we consume? I would argue that we ARE relative to our ancestors, if for no other reason than the fact that they simply did not have access to the incredible range of informational inputs we do today. <br><br>One could quibble about the mindless-entertainment-to-substantive-information ratio today (and I would agree that for many people this ratio is WAAAAAY out of whack), but I think all those American Idol fanatics out there are probably still better informed about politics than their great grandparents were a century ago. <br><br>So, as I throw it back to you, I would just ask if you think you statement that, "the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on," is actually more true today than it was back then? Eric… I think you make a fair point and I did not mean to imply that it is acceptable to live a purely hedonistic lifestyle, devoid of any substantive social learning or interaction. My entire life is governed by the old Aristotlian golden mean of ‘all things in moderation,’ and that would certainly include entertainment.

However, the really interesting question is this: Are we as a society better informed and political aware today DESPITE all that mindless entertainment we consume? I would argue that we ARE relative to our ancestors, if for no other reason than the fact that they simply did not have access to the incredible range of informational inputs we do today.

One could quibble about the mindless-entertainment-to-substantive-information ratio today (and I would agree that for many people this ratio is WAAAAAY out of whack), but I think all those American Idol fanatics out there are probably still better informed about politics than their great grandparents were a century ago.

So, as I throw it back to you, I would just ask if you think you statement that, “the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on,” is actually more true today than it was back then?

]]> By: Adam Thierer http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-41622 Adam Thierer Sat, 03 May 2008 20:54:19 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-41622 Eric... I think you make a fair point and I did not mean to imply that it is acceptable to live a purely hedonistic lifestyle, devoid of any substantive social learning or interaction. My entire life is governed by the old Aristotlian golden mean of 'all things in moderation,' and that would certainly include entertainment. However, the really interesting question is this: Are we as a society better informed and political aware today DESPITE all that mindless entertainment we consume? I would argue that we ARE relative to our ancestors, if for no other reason than the fact that they simply did not have access to the incredible range of informational inputs we do today. One could quibble about the mindless-entertainment-to-substantive-information ratio today (and I would agree that for many people this ratio is WAAAAAY out of whack), but I think all those American Idol fanatics out there are probably still better informed about politics than their great grandparents were a century ago. So, as I throw it back to you, I would just ask if you think you statement that, "the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on," is actually more true today than it was back then? Eric… I think you make a fair point and I did not mean to imply that it is acceptable to live a purely hedonistic lifestyle, devoid of any substantive social learning or interaction. My entire life is governed by the old Aristotlian golden mean of ‘all things in moderation,’ and that would certainly include entertainment.

However, the really interesting question is this: Are we as a society better informed and political aware today DESPITE all that mindless entertainment we consume? I would argue that we ARE relative to our ancestors, if for no other reason than the fact that they simply did not have access to the incredible range of informational inputs we do today.

One could quibble about the mindless-entertainment-to-substantive-information ratio today (and I would agree that for many people this ratio is WAAAAAY out of whack), but I think all those American Idol fanatics out there are probably still better informed about politics than their great grandparents were a century ago.

So, as I throw it back to you, I would just ask if you think you statement that, “the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on,” is actually more true today than it was back then?

]]> By: Eric http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-54624 Eric Sat, 03 May 2008 20:24:33 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-54624 > It’s an old story, actually. Culture critics have always bemoaned the fact that people would rather be entertained than informed. But that’s life, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.<br><br>I agree with everything else you wrote, but this I have to argue with.<br><br>Is it okay to prefer being entertained over being informed? Absolutely.<br><br>Is it okay to indulge in mindless entertainment now and then? Sure - we all need a break from thinking on occasion.<br><br>Is it okay to indulge in countless hours of mindless entertainment, to the near total exclusion of everything substantive and informative? I don't think so, and therein lies the criticism of our culture - when someone has the time to watch American Idol but can't seem to find the same hour a week to learn about candidates and issues, in order to exercise their duties and obligations as a citizen responsibly.<br><br>I'd be much less worried about the prevalence of "just for fun" applications and entertainment were it not for the fact that the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on. > It’s an old story, actually. Culture critics have always bemoaned the fact that people would rather be entertained than informed. But that’s life, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.

I agree with everything else you wrote, but this I have to argue with.

Is it okay to prefer being entertained over being informed? Absolutely.

Is it okay to indulge in mindless entertainment now and then? Sure – we all need a break from thinking on occasion.

Is it okay to indulge in countless hours of mindless entertainment, to the near total exclusion of everything substantive and informative? I don’t think so, and therein lies the criticism of our culture – when someone has the time to watch American Idol but can’t seem to find the same hour a week to learn about candidates and issues, in order to exercise their duties and obligations as a citizen responsibly.

I’d be much less worried about the prevalence of “just for fun” applications and entertainment were it not for the fact that the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on.

]]> By: Eric http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-41619 Eric Sat, 03 May 2008 19:24:33 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-41619 > It’s an old story, actually. Culture critics have always bemoaned the fact that people would rather be entertained than informed. But that’s life, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. I agree with everything else you wrote, but this I have to argue with. Is it okay to prefer being entertained over being informed? Absolutely. Is it okay to indulge in mindless entertainment now and then? Sure - we all need a break from thinking on occasion. Is it okay to indulge in countless hours of mindless entertainment, to the near total exclusion of everything substantive and informative? I don't think so, and therein lies the criticism of our culture - when someone has the time to watch American Idol but can't seem to find the same hour a week to learn about candidates and issues, in order to exercise their duties and obligations as a citizen responsibly. I'd be much less worried about the prevalence of "just for fun" applications and entertainment were it not for the fact that the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on. > It’s an old story, actually. Culture critics have always bemoaned the fact that people would rather be entertained than informed. But that’s life, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it.

I agree with everything else you wrote, but this I have to argue with.

Is it okay to prefer being entertained over being informed? Absolutely.

Is it okay to indulge in mindless entertainment now and then? Sure – we all need a break from thinking on occasion.

Is it okay to indulge in countless hours of mindless entertainment, to the near total exclusion of everything substantive and informative? I don’t think so, and therein lies the criticism of our culture – when someone has the time to watch American Idol but can’t seem to find the same hour a week to learn about candidates and issues, in order to exercise their duties and obligations as a citizen responsibly.

I’d be much less worried about the prevalence of “just for fun” applications and entertainment were it not for the fact that the average voter is astonishingly ignorant of very basic facts that they should be basing their vote on.

]]> By: Gary McGath http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-54623 Gary McGath Sat, 03 May 2008 19:10:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-54623 Irony alert! Strong magnetic forces are acting on your leg! Irony alert! Strong magnetic forces are acting on your leg!

]]> By: Gary McGath http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-41618 Gary McGath Sat, 03 May 2008 18:10:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-41618 Irony alert! Strong magnetic forces are acting on your leg! Irony alert! Strong magnetic forces are acting on your leg!

]]> By: Erik http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-54622 Erik Sat, 03 May 2008 17:50:59 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-54622 Something tells me McCarthy should have put in a winking emoticon to let us all know she was poking fun at the authors of the study. Something tells me McCarthy should have put in a winking emoticon to let us all know she was poking fun at the authors of the study.

]]> By: TP http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-54621 TP Sat, 03 May 2008 17:41:43 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-54621 I can't believe that people get paid to release reports like the one you mention above. Seriously, I would feel ashamed of myself to report on something so blatantly obvious and then expect folks to believe my claptrap about how this is cutting edge research on social networking, which should shock us all. Think I'm going to contact Flowing Data right now. I'll bet they've never heard of my groundbreaking research on myspace, twitter and del.icio.us. I can’t believe that people get paid to release reports like the one you mention above. Seriously, I would feel ashamed of myself to report on something so blatantly obvious and then expect folks to believe my claptrap about how this is cutting edge research on social networking, which should shock us all. Think I’m going to contact Flowing Data right now. I’ll bet they’ve never heard of my groundbreaking research on myspace, twitter and del.icio.us.

]]> By: Erik http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-41616 Erik Sat, 03 May 2008 16:50:59 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-41616 Something tells me McCarthy should have put in a winking emoticon to let us all know she was poking fun at the authors of the study. Something tells me McCarthy should have put in a winking emoticon to let us all know she was poking fun at the authors of the study.

]]> By: TP http://techliberation.com/2008/05/03/whats-pointless-about-fun/comment-page-1/#comment-41615 TP Sat, 03 May 2008 16:41:43 +0000 http://techliberation.com/?p=10752#comment-41615 I can't believe that people get paid to release reports like the one you mention above. Seriously, I would feel ashamed of myself to report on something so blatantly obvious and then expect folks to believe my claptrap about how this is cutting edge research on social networking, which should shock us all. Think I'm going to contact Flowing Data right now. I'll bet they've never heard of my groundbreaking research on myspace, twitter and del.icio.us. I can’t believe that people get paid to release reports like the one you mention above. Seriously, I would feel ashamed of myself to report on something so blatantly obvious and then expect folks to believe my claptrap about how this is cutting edge research on social networking, which should shock us all. Think I’m going to contact Flowing Data right now. I’ll bet they’ve never heard of my groundbreaking research on myspace, twitter and del.icio.us.

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