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	<title>Comments on: great piece on online behavioral marketing and privacy</title>
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		<title>By: Sarah Davies</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-51356</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to disagree with you here.  There is a limit to the amount that the nice lady at Nordstrom&#039;s can memorize about the four thousand people who come into her store, or even the two hundred people who come there regularly.  There is a limit to the reliability of her information should a third party request it.  Her information is not considered an &quot;asset&quot; to the Nordstrom&#039;s Corporation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://Nordstrom.com&quot;&gt;Nordstrom.com&lt;/a&gt; can memorize millions of people&#039;s buying habits in an entirely reliable manner.  Those buying habits can be turned over to big brother without my knowledge (hi AT&amp;T!). They can be subpoenaed in a legal case to indicate my moral character.  Most importantly, digital buying habits can be sold, and indeed must be sold if the business possessing them dissolves with outstanding debt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ethics of salespeople (while questionable) are human. their ability to withhold or forget information is vast.  The ethics of corporations are purely profit driven.  They do not forget, and they are rarely incentivised to withhold.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here.  There is a limit to the amount that the nice lady at Nordstrom&#8217;s can memorize about the four thousand people who come into her store, or even the two hundred people who come there regularly.  There is a limit to the reliability of her information should a third party request it.  Her information is not considered an &#8220;asset&#8221; to the Nordstrom&#8217;s Corporation.<br /><br /><a href="http://Nordstrom.com">Nordstrom.com</a> can memorize millions of people&#8217;s buying habits in an entirely reliable manner.  Those buying habits can be turned over to big brother without my knowledge (hi AT&amp;T!). They can be subpoenaed in a legal case to indicate my moral character.  Most importantly, digital buying habits can be sold, and indeed must be sold if the business possessing them dissolves with outstanding debt.<br /><br />The ethics of salespeople (while questionable) are human. their ability to withhold or forget information is vast.  The ethics of corporations are purely profit driven.  They do not forget, and they are rarely incentivised to withhold.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Sarah Davies</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-41084</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to disagree with you here.  There is a limit to the amount that the nice lady at Nordstrom&#039;s can memorize about the four thousand people who come into her store, or even the two hundred people who come there regularly.  There is a limit to the reliability of her information should a third party request it.  Her information is not considered an &quot;asset&quot; to the Nordstrom&#039;s Corporation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Nordstrom.com can memorize millions of people&#039;s buying habits in an entirely reliable manner.  Those buying habits can be turned over to big brother without my knowledge (hi AT&amp;T!). They can be subpoenaed in a legal case to indicate my moral character.  Most importantly, digital buying habits can be sold, and indeed must be sold if the business possessing them dissolves with outstanding debt.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The ethics of salespeople (while questionable) are human. their ability to withhold or forget information is vast.  The ethics of corporations are purely profit driven.  They do not forget, and they are rarely incentivised to withhold.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with you here.  There is a limit to the amount that the nice lady at Nordstrom&#8217;s can memorize about the four thousand people who come into her store, or even the two hundred people who come there regularly.  There is a limit to the reliability of her information should a third party request it.  Her information is not considered an &#8220;asset&#8221; to the Nordstrom&#8217;s Corporation.</p>

<p>Nordstrom.com can memorize millions of people&#8217;s buying habits in an entirely reliable manner.  Those buying habits can be turned over to big brother without my knowledge (hi AT&amp;T!). They can be subpoenaed in a legal case to indicate my moral character.  Most importantly, digital buying habits can be sold, and indeed must be sold if the business possessing them dissolves with outstanding debt.</p>

<p>The ethics of salespeople (while questionable) are human. their ability to withhold or forget information is vast.  The ethics of corporations are purely profit driven.  They do not forget, and they are rarely incentivised to withhold.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: DRB</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-51355</link>
		<dc:creator>DRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a vast oversimplification of the debate.  If Big Brother can view my library records under the PATRIOT Act, why can&#039;t they serve Google with a national security letter and learn everything I&#039;ve searched for (and don&#039;t give me Google&#039;s line about how IP addresses don&#039;t equate to identity--if Big Brother can serve an NSL on Google, they can do the same with an ISP)?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think its fair to say &quot;let&#039;s not confuse the two.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Search engines have a legitimate interest in collecting data to provide good customer service.  Most people understand this.  What they really fear is that companies are amassing huge databases of personal information (taken without adequate permission or explanation) which could fall into the hands of the government.  This is the crux of the privacy debate in the EU.  Let&#039;s not forget how Yahoo! helped the Chinese government arrest a political dissident.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a vast oversimplification of the debate.  If Big Brother can view my library records under the PATRIOT Act, why can&#8217;t they serve Google with a national security letter and learn everything I&#8217;ve searched for (and don&#8217;t give me Google&#8217;s line about how IP addresses don&#8217;t equate to identity&#8211;if Big Brother can serve an NSL on Google, they can do the same with an ISP)?<br /><br />I don&#8217;t think its fair to say &#8220;let&#8217;s not confuse the two.&#8221;<br /><br />Search engines have a legitimate interest in collecting data to provide good customer service.  Most people understand this.  What they really fear is that companies are amassing huge databases of personal information (taken without adequate permission or explanation) which could fall into the hands of the government.  This is the crux of the privacy debate in the EU.  Let&#8217;s not forget how Yahoo! helped the Chinese government arrest a political dissident.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: DRB</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-41082</link>
		<dc:creator>DRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is a vast oversimplification of the debate.  If Big Brother can view my library records under the PATRIOT Act, why can&#039;t they serve Google with a national security letter and learn everything I&#039;ve searched for (and don&#039;t give me Google&#039;s line about how IP addresses don&#039;t equate to identity--if Big Brother can serve an NSL on Google, they can do the same with an ISP)?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think its fair to say &quot;let&#039;s not confuse the two.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Search engines have a legitimate interest in collecting data to provide good customer service.  Most people understand this.  What they really fear is that companies are amassing huge databases of personal information (taken without adequate permission or explanation) which could fall into the hands of the government.  This is the crux of the privacy debate in the EU.  Let&#039;s not forget how Yahoo! helped the Chinese government arrest a political dissident.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a vast oversimplification of the debate.  If Big Brother can view my library records under the PATRIOT Act, why can&#8217;t they serve Google with a national security letter and learn everything I&#8217;ve searched for (and don&#8217;t give me Google&#8217;s line about how IP addresses don&#8217;t equate to identity&#8211;if Big Brother can serve an NSL on Google, they can do the same with an ISP)?</p>

<p>I don&#8217;t think its fair to say &#8220;let&#8217;s not confuse the two.&#8221;</p>

<p>Search engines have a legitimate interest in collecting data to provide good customer service.  Most people understand this.  What they really fear is that companies are amassing huge databases of personal information (taken without adequate permission or explanation) which could fall into the hands of the government.  This is the crux of the privacy debate in the EU.  Let&#8217;s not forget how Yahoo! helped the Chinese government arrest a political dissident.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dimitris</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-51354</link>
		<dc:creator>dimitris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unless my wife had never shopped in Nordstrom before, which would make it creepy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not unlike third-party cookies which, in my browser, result mostly in new AdBlock rules with liberal use of &#039;&lt;em&gt;&#039; in the regular expressions, like &#039;&lt;/em&gt;.googlesyndication.com/*&#039;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, what happened to comments the preview button?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless my wife had never shopped in Nordstrom before, which would make it creepy.<br /><br />Not unlike third-party cookies which, in my browser, result mostly in new AdBlock rules with liberal use of &#8216;<em>&#8216; in the regular expressions, like &#8216;</em>.googlesyndication.com/*&#8217;.<br /><br />BTW, what happened to comments the preview button?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: dimitris</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/09/great-piece-on-online-behavioral-marketing-privacy/comment-page-1/#comment-41070</link>
		<dc:creator>dimitris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 04:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Unless my wife had never shopped in Nordstrom before, which would make it creepy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not unlike third-party cookies which, in my browser, result mostly in new AdBlock rules with liberal use of &#039;&lt;em&gt;&#039; in the regular expressions, like &#039;&lt;/em&gt;.googlesyndication.com/*&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;BTW, what happened to comments the preview button?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless my wife had never shopped in Nordstrom before, which would make it creepy.</p>

<p>Not unlike third-party cookies which, in my browser, result mostly in new AdBlock rules with liberal use of &#8216;<em>&#8216; in the regular expressions, like &#8216;</em>.googlesyndication.com/*&#8217;.</p>

<p>BTW, what happened to comments the preview button?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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