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		<title>By: The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-67877</link>
		<dc:creator>The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Who Said Micropayments Can&#039;t Work?...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh yeah, that was me. And a lot of others. Well, we were wrong. The mobile app store market (Apple, Android, etc) is brimming with a bonanza of micro-business opportunities for producers and consumers alike. I am consistently amazing by......&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Who Said Micropayments Can&#8217;t Work?&#8230;</strong></p>

<p>Oh yeah, that was me. And a lot of others. Well, we were wrong. The mobile app store market (Apple, Android, etc) is brimming with a bonanza of micro-business opportunities for producers and consumers alike. I am consistently amazing by&#8230;&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Who Said Micropayments Can&#8217;t Work?</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-67875</link>
		<dc:creator>Who Said Micropayments Can&#8217;t Work?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 05:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] yeah, that was me. And a lot of others. Well, we were wrong. The mobile app store market (Apple, Android, etc) is [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-64171</link>
		<dc:creator>The Progress &#38; Freedom Foundation Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Mobile Micropayments: Forcing Me to Reconsider the Conventional Wisdom...&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve always generally agreed with the conventional wisdom about micropayments as a method of funding online content or services: Namely, they won&#039;t work. Clay Shirky, Tim Lee, and many others have made the case that micropayments face numerous obstac...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mobile Micropayments: Forcing Me to Reconsider the Conventional Wisdom&#8230;</strong></p>

<p>I&#8217;ve always generally agreed with the conventional wisdom about micropayments as a method of funding online content or services: Namely, they won&#8217;t work. Clay Shirky, Tim Lee, and many others have made the case that micropayments face numerous obstac&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53717</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim... that&#039;s a good point about cell phone transactions, and another model like that is XBOX Live Marketplace, where I routinely make transactions for a couple of bucks a pop. I just buy a bucket of &quot;Microsoft Points&quot; ever month or so and then buy individual TV shows, music videos or extra game content. For example, I just downloaded a few new cars for my &quot;Forza Motorsports&quot; racing game last night. I don&#039;t even know how much it cost. I just clicked on it and bought it right away. Seems to me that is another good example of how micropayments can work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8230; that&#8217;s a good point about cell phone transactions, and another model like that is XBOX Live Marketplace, where I routinely make transactions for a couple of bucks a pop. I just buy a bucket of &#8220;Microsoft Points&#8221; ever month or so and then buy individual TV shows, music videos or extra game content. For example, I just downloaded a few new cars for my &#8220;Forza Motorsports&#8221; racing game last night. I don&#8217;t even know how much it cost. I just clicked on it and bought it right away. Seems to me that is another good example of how micropayments can work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41076</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim... that&#039;s a good point about cell phone transactions, and another model like that is XBOX Live Marketplace, where I routinely make transactions for a couple of bucks a pop. I just buy a bucket of &quot;Microsoft Points&quot; ever month or so and then buy individual TV shows, music videos or extra game content. For example, I just downloaded a few new cars for my &quot;Forza Motorsports&quot; racing game last night. I don&#039;t even know how much it cost. I just clicked on it and bought it right away. Seems to me that is another good example of how micropayments can work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim&#8230; that&#8217;s a good point about cell phone transactions, and another model like that is XBOX Live Marketplace, where I routinely make transactions for a couple of bucks a pop. I just buy a bucket of &#8220;Microsoft Points&#8221; ever month or so and then buy individual TV shows, music videos or extra game content. For example, I just downloaded a few new cars for my &#8220;Forza Motorsports&#8221; racing game last night. I don&#8217;t even know how much it cost. I just clicked on it and bought it right away. Seems to me that is another good example of how micropayments can work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53716</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops, that&#039;s a response to Jim. Doing too many things at once.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gene, that&#039;s an interesting point. I personally find Paypal annoying enough that I wouldn&#039;t use it for small transactions. As for cell phones, I think the difference is that your cell phone company already has an established billing relationship with you, so they can easily tack on extra charges to your bill. It&#039;s harder for someone who&#039;s not already a service provider to convince a large number of people to sign up for a service whose principal purpose is to allow you to make small payments.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, that&#8217;s an interesting point. I personally find Paypal annoying enough that I wouldn&#8217;t use it for small transactions. As for cell phones, I think the difference is that your cell phone company already has an established billing relationship with you, so they can easily tack on extra charges to your bill. It&#8217;s harder for someone who&#8217;s not already a service provider to convince a large number of people to sign up for a service whose principal purpose is to allow you to make small payments.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41075</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops, that&#039;s a response to Jim. Doing too many things at once.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41074</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gene, that&#039;s an interesting point. I personally find Paypal annoying enough that I wouldn&#039;t use it for small transactions. As for cell phones, I think the difference is that your cell phone company already has an established billing relationship with you, so they can easily tack on extra charges to your bill. It&#039;s harder for someone who&#039;s not already a service provider to convince a large number of people to sign up for a service whose principal purpose is to allow you to make small payments.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene, that&#8217;s an interesting point. I personally find Paypal annoying enough that I wouldn&#8217;t use it for small transactions. As for cell phones, I think the difference is that your cell phone company already has an established billing relationship with you, so they can easily tack on extra charges to your bill. It&#8217;s harder for someone who&#8217;s not already a service provider to convince a large number of people to sign up for a service whose principal purpose is to allow you to make small payments.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53714</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The transaction cost overhead issue looks to me to be surmountable.  Hasn&#039;t the PayPal peer-to-peer payment model already addressed that issue?  The funds are either in your PayPal account, or get deducted from a bank account, usually with no transaction charges.  Similarly, using cell phones for micropayments, you either have pre-paid funds available for use for micropayments, or the micropayments get totaled up at the end of the month and appear on your phone bill.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The transaction cost overhead issue looks to me to be surmountable.  Hasn&#8217;t the PayPal peer-to-peer payment model already addressed that issue?  The funds are either in your PayPal account, or get deducted from a bank account, usually with no transaction charges.  Similarly, using cell phones for micropayments, you either have pre-paid funds available for use for micropayments, or the micropayments get totaled up at the end of the month and appear on your phone bill.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41057</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The transaction cost overhead issue looks to me to be surmountable.  Hasn&#039;t the PayPal peer-to-peer payment model already addressed that issue?  The funds are either in your PayPal account, or get deducted from a bank account, usually with no transaction charges.  Similarly, using cell phones for micropayments, you either have pre-paid funds available for use for micropayments, or the micropayments get totaled up at the end of the month and appear on your phone bill.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The transaction cost overhead issue looks to me to be surmountable.  Hasn&#8217;t the PayPal peer-to-peer payment model already addressed that issue?  The funds are either in your PayPal account, or get deducted from a bank account, usually with no transaction charges.  Similarly, using cell phones for micropayments, you either have pre-paid funds available for use for micropayments, or the micropayments get totaled up at the end of the month and appear on your phone bill.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53713</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I personally find micropayments extremely annoying. The cost-to-value ratio of the products associated with them is, more often than not, enough to compel me not to purchase the product.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In my experience, this is especially a problem in virtual world economies, where the products in question are often only marginally useful.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally find micropayments extremely annoying. The cost-to-value ratio of the products associated with them is, more often than not, enough to compel me not to purchase the product.<br /><br />In my experience, this is especially a problem in virtual world economies, where the products in question are often only marginally useful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41055</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I personally find micropayments extremely annoying. The cost-to-value ratio of the products associated with them is, more often than not, enough to compel me not to purchase the product.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In my experience, this is especially a problem in virtual world economies, where the products in question are often only marginally useful.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>In my experience, this is especially a problem in virtual world economies, where the products in question are often only marginally useful.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53712</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim... I agree with your last statement about there being some floor below which micropayments will likely fail, or at least not be widely utilized. Nonetheless, I think I am fairly close to that floor when I spent $1.39 for a sticker on eBay like I did this week. That being said, I only engage in micro-transactions of that sort on an &lt;em&gt;occasional&lt;/em&gt; basis, and therein lies the key difference. If I was asked to go through the Pay Pay micropayment process &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; time I wanted to consume a single news article, that&#039;s where the transaction costs would grow large and annoying. At that point, simple, flat-rate pricing (or ad-supported models) become preferable. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, I haven&#039;t thought through the &quot;one-click&quot; micro-payment models that I have heard some people suggest in the past. We have something close to that at work on Amazon today. If we had a comparable &quot;BUY NOW&quot; button at the top of our browser that we could easily click any time we wanted to immediately and effortlessly purchase anything on the open webpage, that might be interesting. However, it would obviously open the door to a whole host of security and privacy issues. God only knows what my kids might buy if such a button was embedded in my browser. (My daughter once accidentally hit &quot;But it Now&quot; when I was looking at a fancy car on eBay that I couldn&#039;t afford. Luckily, it takes more than a few clicks to make the actual transaction happen!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; I agree with your last statement about there being some floor below which micropayments will likely fail, or at least not be widely utilized. Nonetheless, I think I am fairly close to that floor when I spent $1.39 for a sticker on eBay like I did this week. That being said, I only engage in micro-transactions of that sort on an <em>occasional</em> basis, and therein lies the key difference. If I was asked to go through the Pay Pay micropayment process <em>every</em> time I wanted to consume a single news article, that&#8217;s where the transaction costs would grow large and annoying. At that point, simple, flat-rate pricing (or ad-supported models) become preferable. <br /><br />Of course, I haven&#8217;t thought through the &#8220;one-click&#8221; micro-payment models that I have heard some people suggest in the past. We have something close to that at work on Amazon today. If we had a comparable &#8220;BUY NOW&#8221; button at the top of our browser that we could easily click any time we wanted to immediately and effortlessly purchase anything on the open webpage, that might be interesting. However, it would obviously open the door to a whole host of security and privacy issues. God only knows what my kids might buy if such a button was embedded in my browser. (My daughter once accidentally hit &#8220;But it Now&#8221; when I was looking at a fancy car on eBay that I couldn&#8217;t afford. Luckily, it takes more than a few clicks to make the actual transaction happen!)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41038</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim... I agree with your last statement about there being some floor below which micropayments will likely fail, or at least not be widely utilized. Nonetheless, I think I am fairly close to that floor when I spent $1.39 for a sticker on eBay like I did this week. That being said, I only engage in micro-transactions of that sort on an &lt;em&gt;occasional&lt;/em&gt; basis, and therein lies the key difference. If I was asked to go through the Pay Pay micropayment process &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; time I wanted to consume a single news article, that&#039;s where the transaction costs would grow large and annoying. At that point, simple, flat-rate pricing (or ad-supported models) become preferable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, I haven&#039;t thought through the &quot;one-click&quot; micro-payment models that I have heard some people suggest in the past. We have something close to that at work on Amazon today. If we had a comparable &quot;BUY NOW&quot; button at the top of our browser that we could easily click any time we wanted to immediately and effortlessly purchase anything on the open webpage, that might be interesting. However, it would obviously open the door to a whole host of security and privacy issues. God only knows what my kids might buy if such a button was embedded in my browser. (My daughter once accidentally hit &quot;But it Now&quot; when I was looking at a fancy car on eBay that I couldn&#039;t afford. Luckily, it takes more than a few clicks to make the actual transaction happen!)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim&#8230; I agree with your last statement about there being some floor below which micropayments will likely fail, or at least not be widely utilized. Nonetheless, I think I am fairly close to that floor when I spent $1.39 for a sticker on eBay like I did this week. That being said, I only engage in micro-transactions of that sort on an <em>occasional</em> basis, and therein lies the key difference. If I was asked to go through the Pay Pay micropayment process <em>every</em> time I wanted to consume a single news article, that&#8217;s where the transaction costs would grow large and annoying. At that point, simple, flat-rate pricing (or ad-supported models) become preferable.</p>

<p>Of course, I haven&#8217;t thought through the &#8220;one-click&#8221; micro-payment models that I have heard some people suggest in the past. We have something close to that at work on Amazon today. If we had a comparable &#8220;BUY NOW&#8221; button at the top of our browser that we could easily click any time we wanted to immediately and effortlessly purchase anything on the open webpage, that might be interesting. However, it would obviously open the door to a whole host of security and privacy issues. God only knows what my kids might buy if such a button was embedded in my browser. (My daughter once accidentally hit &#8220;But it Now&#8221; when I was looking at a fancy car on eBay that I couldn&#8217;t afford. Luckily, it takes more than a few clicks to make the actual transaction happen!)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53711</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Micro-payment is obviously a somewhat subjective term, and it doesn&#039;t have an exact boundary in terms of exact dollar figures. I would say that anything under 25 cents is clearly a micro-payment, while anything over $2 is clearly not a micropayment. Reasonable people could disagree about whether Apple&#039;s 99 cent iTunes purchases are micro-payments, but it&#039;s clearly close to the high end of the range that&#039;s normally regarded as micro-payments.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Shirky&#039;s fundamental point, which I think is absolutely right, is that there&#039;s a minimum transaction cost associated with any monetary transaction, no matter how small, and that as the price drops, the overhead becomes a larger and larger fraction of the transaction. With iTunes, for example, I&#039;ve read that about 25 cents out of every dollar Apple gets goes to the credit card company, and thats not counting the mental and logistical overhead faced by the consumer (deciding whether to buy, making sure the site is legit, getting out the credit card, typing the number in, verifying the transaction at the end of the month). So buying a 99 cent iTunes purchase might cost the customer $1.25 ($1 plus 25 cents of time and irritation), while Apple and the labels might only see 75 cents of revenue. Obviously, as you get much lower than a dollar, things get even worse, to the point where almost all of the transaction is overhead and there&#039;s no money left over for the seller. At that point, it makes more sense to find a business model, such as advertising, where transaction costs don&#039;t eat up so much of the value.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The original vision for micropayments was that people would pay a nickel or a dime to read an article, listen to a song, etc. I think that&#039;s clearly not going to happen. It&#039;s an open question is where the line is&#8212;whether you can build a sustainable business charging 50 cents, a dollar, or two dollars per transaction. But I think it&#039;s pretty clear that there is a floor below which micropayments are doomed to failure.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micro-payment is obviously a somewhat subjective term, and it doesn&#8217;t have an exact boundary in terms of exact dollar figures. I would say that anything under 25 cents is clearly a micro-payment, while anything over $2 is clearly not a micropayment. Reasonable people could disagree about whether Apple&#8217;s 99 cent iTunes purchases are micro-payments, but it&#8217;s clearly close to the high end of the range that&#8217;s normally regarded as micro-payments.<br /><br />Shirky&#8217;s fundamental point, which I think is absolutely right, is that there&#8217;s a minimum transaction cost associated with any monetary transaction, no matter how small, and that as the price drops, the overhead becomes a larger and larger fraction of the transaction. With iTunes, for example, I&#8217;ve read that about 25 cents out of every dollar Apple gets goes to the credit card company, and thats not counting the mental and logistical overhead faced by the consumer (deciding whether to buy, making sure the site is legit, getting out the credit card, typing the number in, verifying the transaction at the end of the month). So buying a 99 cent iTunes purchase might cost the customer $1.25 ($1 plus 25 cents of time and irritation), while Apple and the labels might only see 75 cents of revenue. Obviously, as you get much lower than a dollar, things get even worse, to the point where almost all of the transaction is overhead and there&#8217;s no money left over for the seller. At that point, it makes more sense to find a business model, such as advertising, where transaction costs don&#8217;t eat up so much of the value.<br /><br />The original vision for micropayments was that people would pay a nickel or a dime to read an article, listen to a song, etc. I think that&#8217;s clearly not going to happen. It&#8217;s an open question is where the line is&mdash;whether you can build a sustainable business charging 50 cents, a dollar, or two dollars per transaction. But I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that there is a floor below which micropayments are doomed to failure.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aren&#039;t there huge numbers of micropayments when you look at purchases by cell phone in Africa and Asia (and to a lesser extent in the U.S. and Europe)?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41032</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Micro-payment is obviously a somewhat subjective term, and it doesn&#039;t have an exact boundary in terms of exact dollar figures. I would say that anything under 25 cents is clearly a micro-payment, while anything over $2 is clearly not a micropayment. Reasonable people could disagree about whether Apple&#039;s 99 cent iTunes purchases are micro-payments, but it&#039;s clearly close to the high end of the range that&#039;s normally regarded as micro-payments.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Shirky&#039;s fundamental point, which I think is absolutely right, is that there&#039;s a minimum transaction cost associated with any monetary transaction, no matter how small, and that as the price drops, the overhead becomes a larger and larger fraction of the transaction. With iTunes, for example, I&#039;ve read that about 25 cents out of every dollar Apple gets goes to the credit card company, and thats not counting the mental and logistical overhead faced by the consumer (deciding whether to buy, making sure the site is legit, getting out the credit card, typing the number in, verifying the transaction at the end of the month). So buying a 99 cent iTunes purchase might cost the customer $1.25 ($1 plus 25 cents of time and irritation), while Apple and the labels might only see 75 cents of revenue. Obviously, as you get much lower than a dollar, things get even worse, to the point where almost all of the transaction is overhead and there&#039;s no money left over for the seller. At that point, it makes more sense to find a business model, such as advertising, where transaction costs don&#039;t eat up so much of the value.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The original vision for micropayments was that people would pay a nickel or a dime to read an article, listen to a song, etc. I think that&#039;s clearly not going to happen. It&#039;s an open question is where the line is&#8212;whether you can build a sustainable business charging 50 cents, a dollar, or two dollars per transaction. But I think it&#039;s pretty clear that there is a floor below which micropayments are doomed to failure.&lt;/p&gt;
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<p>Shirky&#8217;s fundamental point, which I think is absolutely right, is that there&#8217;s a minimum transaction cost associated with any monetary transaction, no matter how small, and that as the price drops, the overhead becomes a larger and larger fraction of the transaction. With iTunes, for example, I&#8217;ve read that about 25 cents out of every dollar Apple gets goes to the credit card company, and thats not counting the mental and logistical overhead faced by the consumer (deciding whether to buy, making sure the site is legit, getting out the credit card, typing the number in, verifying the transaction at the end of the month). So buying a 99 cent iTunes purchase might cost the customer $1.25 ($1 plus 25 cents of time and irritation), while Apple and the labels might only see 75 cents of revenue. Obviously, as you get much lower than a dollar, things get even worse, to the point where almost all of the transaction is overhead and there&#8217;s no money left over for the seller. At that point, it makes more sense to find a business model, such as advertising, where transaction costs don&#8217;t eat up so much of the value.</p>

<p>The original vision for micropayments was that people would pay a nickel or a dime to read an article, listen to a song, etc. I think that&#8217;s clearly not going to happen. It&#8217;s an open question is where the line is&mdash;whether you can build a sustainable business charging 50 cents, a dollar, or two dollars per transaction. But I think it&#8217;s pretty clear that there is a floor below which micropayments are doomed to failure.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Lippard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41030</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Lippard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aren&#039;t there huge numbers of micropayments when you look at purchases by cell phone in Africa and Asia (and to a lesser extent in the U.S. and Europe)?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53709</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, there are very, very few items that would be less than 99 cents after S&amp;H. But even with S&amp;H, many items don&#039;t break 2 or 3 bucks. For example, do a search for &quot;stickers&quot; on eBay and you will find about 60,000+ items, many of which will be just 99 cents with S&amp;H ranging from 39 cents to a couple of bucks. But isn&#039;t that still a &quot;micro-payment&quot;? Is there a technical definition of the term that limits it to less than a buck? (I&#039;m just asking; I really don&#039;t know).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-53708</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 03:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is that less than a dollar including S&amp;H?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Adam Thierer</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41028</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Thierer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, there are very, very few items that would be less than 99 cents after S&amp;H. But even with S&amp;H, many items don&#039;t break 2 or 3 bucks. For example, do a search for &quot;stickers&quot; on eBay and you will find about 60,000+ items, many of which will be just 99 cents with S&amp;H ranging from 39 cents to a couple of bucks. But isn&#039;t that still a &quot;micro-payment&quot;? Is there a technical definition of the term that limits it to less than a buck? (I&#039;m just asking; I really don&#039;t know).&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/04/07/micropayments-reconsidered/comment-page-1/#comment-41027</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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