Comments on: Dumb Pipes, a Dumb Idea: Net Neutrality as 21st Century Socialism

By: Don Marti

Don Marti — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:42:02 +0000

Private property is private property. So no more eminent domain powers for telcos to install fiber through private property, right? If a farmer owns 40 acres in the path of a 1000-mile cable, can he now charge what the market will bear?

Hook me up with a cable that was installed without using eminent domain, and I won't ask for net neutrality on it.

By: Don Marti

Don Marti — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:42:02 +0000

Hook me up with a cable that was installed without using eminent domain, and I won't ask for net neutrality on it.

By: v

Thu, 03 Apr 2008 17:10:43 +0000

This seems unfair. I'm skeptical of network neutrality because Washington is so bad at tech policy, and Big Copyright will find some way to lobby in its own interests.

However, there's a difference between telling an ISP that it doesn't own its pipes and telling an ISP that it can't block or throttle certain kinds of traffic. The problem is, it's a distinction the legislators won't get right.

By: v

Thu, 03 Apr 2008 16:10:43 +0000

This seems unfair. I'm skeptical of network neutrality because Washington is so bad at tech policy, and Big Copyright will find some way to lobby in its own interests.

However, there's a difference between telling an ISP that it doesn't own its pipes and telling an ISP that it can't block or throttle certain kinds of traffic. The problem is, it's a distinction the legislators won't get right.

By: Ryan Radia

Ryan Radia — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 15:30:13 +0000

Steve, corporations are far from perfect, and some can act downright evil. But choosing which corporations to patronize is significantly easier than choosing which federal government to endure.

Plus, when a corporation is being evil, the public often figures it out and can actively decide to switch to a less evil company. Google even uses "Don't Be Evil" as a marketing mantra, and in my opinion Google has lived up to its promise better than most.

We should bash corporations when they do things we don't like, and libertarians aren't typically corporate apologists. Still, firms have a market incentive to not be evil, unlike governments, and few corporations succeed in the long run by engaging in evil activities.

By: Ryan Radia

Ryan Radia — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 14:30:13 +0000

Steve, corporations are far from perfect, and some can act downright evil. But choosing which corporations to patronize is significantly easier than choosing which federal government to endure.

Plus, when a corporation is being evil, the public often figures it out and can actively decide to switch to a less evil company. Google even uses "Don't Be Evil" as a marketing mantra, and in my opinion Google has lived up to its promise better than most.

We should bash corporations when they do things we don't like, and libertarians aren't typically corporate apologists. Still, firms have a market incentive to not be evil, unlike governments, and few corporations succeed in the long run by engaging in evil activities.

By: Steve R.

Steve R. — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 13:47:11 +0000

Cord you wrote: "Sen. Dorgan’s statement refers to the broadband infrastructure built up by the telcos and their rivals. It lays the “net neutrality” issue bare: if you’re an infrastructure owner or Internet service provider, government people like him shall dictate your relationships with the world at large. (emphasis added)

While your statement is true, there is a flip side which seldom disclosed when denouncing the "evils" of government control. The flip side are the "evils" of unencumbered corporate power.

We have already seen evidence that corporations will act in arbitrary and capricious ways that violate due process and pursue opaque business methods. These are well documented on websites such as TechDirt and Infoworld's Gripe Line. There is an old adage "absolute power corrupts absolutely". This is true of both government and corporations. Bashing only government gets us nowhere, we need to explore how to formulate a reasonable compromise.

By: Steve R.

Steve R. — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:47:11 +0000

While your statement is true, there is a flip side which seldom disclosed when denouncing the "evils" of government control. The flip side are the "evils" of unencumbered corporate power.

We have already seen evidence that corporations will act in arbitrary and capricious ways that violate due process and pursue opaque business methods. These are well documented on websites such as TechDirt and Infoworld's Gripe Line. There is an old adage "absolute power corrupts absolutely". This is true of both government and corporations. Bashing only government gets us nowhere, we need to explore how to formulate a reasonable compromise.