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		<title>By: nulls101</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-56379</link>
		<dc:creator>nulls101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for sharing&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regards&lt;br&gt;Max&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/&quot;&gt;http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing<br /><br />Regards<br />Max<br /><a href="http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/">http://thenewsempire.com/Sport/</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fishbane</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-40400</link>
		<dc:creator>fishbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I advocate that anyone opining about &quot;push&quot; and &quot;pull&quot; technology should re-read the famous WiReD cover story, and the news about what happened to &quot;push&quot; shortly thereafter. And if they have already read it, they need to have their pundit license revoked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d go further, on the topic of Google being an editor: that&#039;s like calling a flower sifter an editor. Both are machines made by people that provide a filtering function.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Richard: Many of us who support (some flavor of) network neutrality do indeed care a great deal about the cases you mention. We just don&#039;t make category errors and compare them to net neutrality. State (mis)use of data has nothing to do with packet prioritization.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I advocate that anyone opining about &#8220;push&#8221; and &#8220;pull&#8221; technology should re-read the famous WiReD cover story, and the news about what happened to &#8220;push&#8221; shortly thereafter. And if they have already read it, they need to have their pundit license revoked.</p>

<p>I&#8217;d go further, on the topic of Google being an editor: that&#8217;s like calling a flower sifter an editor. Both are machines made by people that provide a filtering function.</p>

<p>Richard: Many of us who support (some flavor of) network neutrality do indeed care a great deal about the cases you mention. We just don&#8217;t make category errors and compare them to net neutrality. State (mis)use of data has nothing to do with packet prioritization.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: fishbane</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-46197</link>
		<dc:creator>fishbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I advocate that anyone opining about &quot;push&quot; and &quot;pull&quot; technology should re-read the famous WiReD cover story, and the news about what happened to &quot;push&quot; shortly thereafter. And if they have already read it, they need to have their pundit license revoked.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d go further, on the topic of Google being an editor: that&#039;s like calling a flower sifter an editor. Both are machines made by people that provide a filtering function.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Richard: Many of us who support (some flavor of) network neutrality do indeed care a great deal about the cases you mention. We just don&#039;t make category errors and compare them to net neutrality. State (mis)use of data has nothing to do with packet prioritization.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I advocate that anyone opining about &#8220;push&#8221; and &#8220;pull&#8221; technology should re-read the famous WiReD cover story, and the news about what happened to &#8220;push&#8221; shortly thereafter. And if they have already read it, they need to have their pundit license revoked.<br /><br />I&#8217;d go further, on the topic of Google being an editor: that&#8217;s like calling a flower sifter an editor. Both are machines made by people that provide a filtering function.<br /><br />Richard: Many of us who support (some flavor of) network neutrality do indeed care a great deal about the cases you mention. We just don&#8217;t make category errors and compare them to net neutrality. State (mis)use of data has nothing to do with packet prioritization.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-40399</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re trying to get too technical, Tim, and in doing so you&#039;re missing the point. At a high level, advocates for net neutrality regulations claim to be protecting free speech and the free flow of information.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are many ways to restrict free speech, and priority-based routing is only one of them. In fact, it&#039;s about the weakest way to restrict free speech that&#039;s conceivable, especially if we&#039;re talking about sub-second delays, which is what all forms of network prioritizing do. And it&#039;s more theoretical than real in any case.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The kind of discrimination that&#039;s possible to do in a search engine is much more powerful, and as we&#039;ve seen in case of Google&#039;s and Yahoo!s suck-up to the communist Chinese government, much more effective. So Yoo is right that Google&#039;s and Yahoo!s friends in the pro-regulation movement focus on a small and theoretical evil while the much greater evil that Google commits every day goes unchecked.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are people doing prison time on China today thanks to Google and Yahoo! and the net neutrality advocates couldn&#039;t care less.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re trying to get too technical, Tim, and in doing so you&#8217;re missing the point. At a high level, advocates for net neutrality regulations claim to be protecting free speech and the free flow of information.</p>

<p>There are many ways to restrict free speech, and priority-based routing is only one of them. In fact, it&#8217;s about the weakest way to restrict free speech that&#8217;s conceivable, especially if we&#8217;re talking about sub-second delays, which is what all forms of network prioritizing do. And it&#8217;s more theoretical than real in any case.</p>

<p>The kind of discrimination that&#8217;s possible to do in a search engine is much more powerful, and as we&#8217;ve seen in case of Google&#8217;s and Yahoo!s suck-up to the communist Chinese government, much more effective. So Yoo is right that Google&#8217;s and Yahoo!s friends in the pro-regulation movement focus on a small and theoretical evil while the much greater evil that Google commits every day goes unchecked.</p>

<p>There are people doing prison time on China today thanks to Google and Yahoo! and the net neutrality advocates couldn&#8217;t care less.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard Bennett</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-46196</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re trying to get too technical, Tim, and in doing so you&#039;re missing the point. At a high level, advocates for net neutrality regulations claim to be protecting free speech and the free flow of information.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are many ways to restrict free speech, and priority-based routing is only one of them. In fact, it&#039;s about the weakest way to restrict free speech that&#039;s conceivable, especially if we&#039;re talking about sub-second delays, which is what all forms of network prioritizing do. And it&#039;s more theoretical than real in any case.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The kind of discrimination that&#039;s possible to do in a search engine is much more powerful, and as we&#039;ve seen in case of Google&#039;s and Yahoo!s suck-up to the communist Chinese government, much more effective. So Yoo is right that Google&#039;s and Yahoo!s friends in the pro-regulation movement focus on a small and theoretical evil while the much greater evil that Google commits every day goes unchecked.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are people doing prison time on China today thanks to Google and Yahoo! and the net neutrality advocates couldn&#039;t care less.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re trying to get too technical, Tim, and in doing so you&#8217;re missing the point. At a high level, advocates for net neutrality regulations claim to be protecting free speech and the free flow of information.<br /><br />There are many ways to restrict free speech, and priority-based routing is only one of them. In fact, it&#8217;s about the weakest way to restrict free speech that&#8217;s conceivable, especially if we&#8217;re talking about sub-second delays, which is what all forms of network prioritizing do. And it&#8217;s more theoretical than real in any case.<br /><br />The kind of discrimination that&#8217;s possible to do in a search engine is much more powerful, and as we&#8217;ve seen in case of Google&#8217;s and Yahoo!s suck-up to the communist Chinese government, much more effective. So Yoo is right that Google&#8217;s and Yahoo!s friends in the pro-regulation movement focus on a small and theoretical evil while the much greater evil that Google commits every day goes unchecked.<br /><br />There are people doing prison time on China today thanks to Google and Yahoo! and the net neutrality advocates couldn&#8217;t care less.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-40398</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim, I don&#039;t think you went far enough.  Maybe I am a little bit too Jacobin on the issue of net neutrality. You are correct that ISPs are not editors, but the word &quot;editor&quot; as used in the citation is meant to obfuscate what the author is really saying. It is a word usage straight out of Orwell&#039;s 1984.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The role of an editor is to make the content of a magazine or webpage usable to the consumer, the role of the &quot;editor&quot; as used in the citation is that of a traffic cop to monitor and filter the flow of information (without the user&#039;s knowledge and to prevent the user from circumventing any restrictions).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As used in the citation, the so-called &quot;editor&quot; would:
1. Have a unilateral authority to determine what you may send and receive.
2. Implicit in this so-called right, the &quot;editor&quot; would have the authority to read what you are sending and receiving.
3. The &quot;editor&quot; can impose virtually any value judgment they wish to determine what is or is not acceptable content.
4. If the &quot;editor&quot; does not like your content they would be able to unilaterally impose a &quot;fine&quot; on you.
5. Because the &quot;editor&quot; determines on his/her own volition what is or is not acceptable for transmission, the consumer has virtually no due process rights.
6. In short, the &quot;editor&quot; is the judge, jury, and executioner in a society of by and for the corporations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I don&#8217;t think you went far enough.  Maybe I am a little bit too Jacobin on the issue of net neutrality. You are correct that ISPs are not editors, but the word &#8220;editor&#8221; as used in the citation is meant to obfuscate what the author is really saying. It is a word usage straight out of Orwell&#8217;s 1984.</p>

<p>The role of an editor is to make the content of a magazine or webpage usable to the consumer, the role of the &#8220;editor&#8221; as used in the citation is that of a traffic cop to monitor and filter the flow of information (without the user&#8217;s knowledge and to prevent the user from circumventing any restrictions).</p>

<p>As used in the citation, the so-called &#8220;editor&#8221; would:
1. Have a unilateral authority to determine what you may send and receive.
2. Implicit in this so-called right, the &#8220;editor&#8221; would have the authority to read what you are sending and receiving.
3. The &#8220;editor&#8221; can impose virtually any value judgment they wish to determine what is or is not acceptable content.
4. If the &#8220;editor&#8221; does not like your content they would be able to unilaterally impose a &#8220;fine&#8221; on you.
5. Because the &#8220;editor&#8221; determines on his/her own volition what is or is not acceptable for transmission, the consumer has virtually no due process rights.
6. In short, the &#8220;editor&#8221; is the judge, jury, and executioner in a society of by and for the corporations.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2008/01/10/isps-arent-editors/comment-page-1/#comment-46195</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim, I don&#039;t think you went far enough.  Maybe I am a little bit too Jacobin on the issue of net neutrality. You are correct that ISPs are not editors, but the word &quot;editor&quot; as used in the citation is meant to obfuscate what the author is really saying. It is a word usage straight out of Orwell&#039;s 1984.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The role of an editor is to make the content of a magazine or webpage usable to the consumer, the role of the &quot;editor&quot; as used in the citation is that of a traffic cop to monitor and filter the flow of information (without the user&#039;s knowledge and to prevent the user from circumventing any restrictions).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As used in the citation, the so-called &quot;editor&quot; would:&lt;br&gt;1. Have a unilateral authority to determine what you may send and receive.&lt;br&gt;2. Implicit in this so-called right, the &quot;editor&quot; would have the authority to read what you are sending and receiving.&lt;br&gt;3. The &quot;editor&quot; can impose virtually any value judgment they wish to determine what is or is not acceptable content.&lt;br&gt;4. If the &quot;editor&quot; does not like your content they would be able to unilaterally impose a &quot;fine&quot; on you.&lt;br&gt;5. Because the &quot;editor&quot; determines on his/her own volition what is or is not acceptable for transmission, the consumer has virtually no due process rights.&lt;br&gt;6. In short, the &quot;editor&quot; is the judge, jury, and executioner in a society of by and for the corporations.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, I don&#8217;t think you went far enough.  Maybe I am a little bit too Jacobin on the issue of net neutrality. You are correct that ISPs are not editors, but the word &#8220;editor&#8221; as used in the citation is meant to obfuscate what the author is really saying. It is a word usage straight out of Orwell&#8217;s 1984.<br /><br />The role of an editor is to make the content of a magazine or webpage usable to the consumer, the role of the &#8220;editor&#8221; as used in the citation is that of a traffic cop to monitor and filter the flow of information (without the user&#8217;s knowledge and to prevent the user from circumventing any restrictions).<br /><br />As used in the citation, the so-called &#8220;editor&#8221; would:<br />1. Have a unilateral authority to determine what you may send and receive.<br />2. Implicit in this so-called right, the &#8220;editor&#8221; would have the authority to read what you are sending and receiving.<br />3. The &#8220;editor&#8221; can impose virtually any value judgment they wish to determine what is or is not acceptable content.<br />4. If the &#8220;editor&#8221; does not like your content they would be able to unilaterally impose a &#8220;fine&#8221; on you.<br />5. Because the &#8220;editor&#8221; determines on his/her own volition what is or is not acceptable for transmission, the consumer has virtually no due process rights.<br />6. In short, the &#8220;editor&#8221; is the judge, jury, and executioner in a society of by and for the corporations.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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