Give Them Immunity

by on November 9, 2007 · 14 comments

With all due respect for the views of my colleagues (here and here) and commenters, former Sen. Bob Kerrey had this, and other, mature insights in an op-ed which appeared yesterday in The Hill regarding whether to include immunity for telecom carriers in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) reauthorization:

Consider the atmosphere: the president had gone before Congress and said “one vial, one canister, one crate, slipped into this country, could bring a day of horror like none we have ever known.” So if these companies refused to cooperate, by implication, that dark day could be on their conscience. And now they cannot even defend themselves in court, because the details of the investigations remain classified.

Opposition to immunity isn’t aimed so much at punishing the telecom providers, but at obtaining information about what really happened and about reaffirming the significant legal duties that telecom providers have for safeguarding the privacy of their law-abiding customers.

Presumably any judge would have some sympathy for the telecom providers, considering the extraordinary circumstances; still, investors have an irrational fear of legal bills and uncertainty.

As for whether the warrantless surveillance was really unconstitutional or not isn’t absolutely clear. The Supreme Court hasn’t said, and some believe the Court might defer to the president who was acting as commander-in-chief to protect the nation’s security. The Fourth Amendment concerns “unreasonable” searches and seizures, and electronic surveillance is routinely conducted on all sides during wartime.

Under FISA, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court can authorize electronic surveillance when there’s probable cause to believe that the target of surveillance is an agent of a foreign power or a terrorist. The argument is that the Bush administration should have invoked this procedure, which would have protected the telecom providers from liability.

But Richard A. Posner observed in February, 2006 that FISA was “dangerously obsolete” because while it allowed electronic surveillance against known terrorists, it couldn’t authorize surveillance for the purpose of identifying potential terrorists and their supporters.

[FISA] retains value as a framework for monitoring the communications of known terrorists, but it is hopeless as a framework for detecting terrorists. It requires that surveillance be conducted pursuant to warrants based on probable cause to believe that the target of surveillance is a terrorist, when the desperate need is to find out who is a terrorist.

Writing in 2005, William Kristol and Gary Schmitt posited the following hypothetical:

A U.S. president has just received word that American counterterrorist operatives have captured a senior al Qaeda operative in Pakistan. Among his possessions are a couple of cell phones — phones that contain several American phone numbers. In the wake of Sept. 11, 2001, what’s a president to do?

Kristol and Schmitt rightly asked where is the evidence, in this hypothetical, to support a finding of probable cause to believe the targets of electronic surveillance, in the U.S., are terrorists?

Who knows why the person seized in Pakistan was calling these people? Even terrorists make innocent calls and have relationships with folks who are not themselves terrorists.

I have no idea if this was the actual justification or not, but it sounds plausible and legitimate to me.

Kerrey makes the logical point that the fight against terrorism will require access by the government to all kinds of personal data:

It is now clearer than ever that to connect the dots in future terror investigations, the government simply cannot do it alone — it must have the full, unwavering support of private industry. The global proliferation and increasing sophistication of terrorist operations means that every private enterprise — from the telecom and tech companies to the car renters and airlines, data-mining and credit card firms, chemical manufacturers and fertilizer retailers — virtually every private concern in the U.S. economy must be willing to help out when a terrorism investigator comes to call.

The possibilities for abuse, given the occasional corrupt politician, careless bureaucrat or scheming corporation, stagger the imagination. Corporations like to curry favor from politicians; bureaucrats are assigned laptops, for some reason; politicians like to leak damaging details about their opponents’ private lives; the list goes on. But the question ought to be whether it’s possible to prevent abuse in most cases while allowing the government every tool to detect and prevent terrorist attacks.

Posner suggested a combination of criminal penalties and evidentiary prohibitions which sound like a promising starting point:

Forbid any use of intercepted information for any purpose other than “national security” as defined in the statute … Thus the information could not be used as evidence or leads in a prosecution for ordinary crime. There would be heavy criminal penalties for violating this provision, to allay concern that “wild talk” picked up by electronic surveillance would lead to criminal investigations unrelated to national security.

The suggestion is evocative, at least for me, of the Miranda ruling, which addressed the problem of unscrupulous police investigators who conducted coercive interrogations to obtain confessions from innocent suspects. The Supreme Court solved the problem by making improperly-obtained evidence inadmissible and not by prohibiting interrogations or confessions – which the Court recognized were indispensible techniques for fighting crime. I don’t know many who would argue that the Miranda Warning hasn’t worked pretty well.

  • fishbane

    Ask for a bill to make it legal, then. Retroactive immunity runs against the rule of law. The telecoms are not naive – they are rich, incredibly government-savvy, and fully lawyered up. They’ve also been doing this for years. There is no reason to believe they didn’t know they were breaking the law. There is also no reason to believe the administration didn’t know it was breaking the law. If the law should mean anything, the telecoms and the administration need to at the very least come clean on the facts. If this sort of intrusiveness is needed, then the administration can ask for legal authorization going forward.

    One more thing: Bush is not the Commander In Chief of private industry. I suggest a careful half hour with the Constitution again.

  • fishbane

    Ask for a bill to make it legal, then. Retroactive immunity runs against the rule of law. The telecoms are not naive – they are rich, incredibly government-savvy, and fully lawyered up. They’ve also been doing this for years. There is no reason to believe they didn’t know they were breaking the law. There is also no reason to believe the administration didn’t know it was breaking the law. If the law should mean anything, the telecoms and the administration need to at the very least come clean on the facts. If this sort of intrusiveness is needed, then the administration can ask for legal authorization going forward.

    One more thing: Bush is not the Commander In Chief of private industry. I suggest a careful half hour with the Constitution again.

  • http://www.cato.org/people/harper.html Jim Harper

    This is better reasoned than the piece I criticized, Hance, but your general endorsement of Kerrey’s view is not persuasive or wise. The law does – and did – permit authorities everything they need and needed to address the 9/11 attacks and terrorism generally.

    I suppose I should point out that I reject the administration’s claims to secrecy as much as I reject the push for telco immunity. You are right that secrecy is the reason immunity is being sought – probably to cover up yet more intrusive, and by the way, ineffective, surveillance.

    This talk of abandoning the rule of law is just another example of terrorism having its effect. Terrorism is a strategy used by the weak to goad the strong into self-injurious over-reaction. When “leaders” like Kerrey and Posner wet their pants and give up on the constitution and the rule of law, that’s terrorism having its intended effect. I’m not falling for it. Everyone should have terrorism in perspective, but these so-called leaders obviously don’t.

  • http://www.cato.org/people/harper.html Jim Harper

    This is better reasoned than the piece I criticized, Hance, but your general endorsement of Kerrey’s view is not persuasive or wise. The law does – and did – permit authorities everything they need and needed to address the 9/11 attacks and terrorism generally.

    I suppose I should point out that I reject the administration’s claims to secrecy as much as I reject the push for telco immunity. You are right that secrecy is the reason immunity is being sought – probably to cover up yet more intrusive, and by the way, ineffective, surveillance.

    This talk of abandoning the rule of law is just another example of terrorism having its effect. Terrorism is a strategy used by the weak to goad the strong into self-injurious over-reaction. When “leaders” like Kerrey and Posner wet their pants and give up on the constitution and the rule of law, that’s terrorism having its intended effect. I’m not falling for it. Everyone should have terrorism in perspective, but these so-called leaders obviously don’t.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Nice try by Posner, but the USA PATRIOT Act already amended that part of FISA. The federal government can already do “hot pursuit” wiretapping of newly discovered numbers without having to wake up a FISA judge first.

    Reasonable people can disagree about when a judge has to be brought into the loop, but it’s clear from the plain language of the 4th Amendment that a warrant, from a judge, needs to be in the picture somewhere. Any company that complied with requests that aren’t backed up by a warrant at all needs to first, send its lawyers back to Constitutional Law class and second, face the consequences of its illegal actions.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Nice try by Posner, but the USA PATRIOT Act already amended that part of FISA. The federal government can already do “hot pursuit” wiretapping of newly discovered numbers without having to wake up a FISA judge first.

    Reasonable people can disagree about when a judge has to be brought into the loop, but it’s clear from the plain language of the 4th Amendment that a warrant, from a judge, needs to be in the picture somewhere. Any company that complied with requests that aren’t backed up by a warrant at all needs to first, send its lawyers back to Constitutional Law class and second, face the consequences of its illegal actions.

  • http://leave-us-alone.blogspot.com Jason Sonenshein

    The only way the telecom companies should be granted immunity is by a special prosecutor, in exchange for their testimony against the administration officials with whom they collaborated.

  • http://leave-us-alone.blogspot.com Jason Sonenshein

    The only way the telecom companies should be granted immunity is by a special prosecutor, in exchange for their testimony against the administration officials with whom they collaborated.

  • eric

    “The Fourth Amendment concerns ‘unreasonable’ searches and seizures, and electronic surveillance is routinely conducted on all sides during wartime.”

    Wartime? Did Congress declare a war? Sorry, having been in a cave for six years, I missed that.

  • eric

    “The Fourth Amendment concerns ‘unreasonable’ searches and seizures, and electronic surveillance is routinely conducted on all sides during wartime.”

    Wartime? Did Congress declare a war? Sorry, having been in a cave for six years, I missed that.

  • Timon

    “I don’t know many who would argue that the Miranda Warning hasn’t worked pretty well.”

    I would argue that the exclusionary rule has done more to undermine public confidence in the justice system than any other ten legal changes in American history combined. The idea that a murder weapon should be hidden from a jury because a cop misbehaved is totally repulsive. Fortunately, it is a couple decisions away from being rendered meaningless (Hudson v Michigan etc). This idea that a legal principle younger than Nicole Kidman is timeless and inviolable is a little weird.

  • Timon

    “I don’t know many who would argue that the Miranda Warning hasn’t worked pretty well.”

    I would argue that the exclusionary rule has done more to undermine public confidence in the justice system than any other ten legal changes in American history combined. The idea that a murder weapon should be hidden from a jury because a cop misbehaved is totally repulsive. Fortunately, it is a couple decisions away from being rendered meaningless (Hudson v Michigan etc). This idea that a legal principle younger than Nicole Kidman is timeless and inviolable is a little weird.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com enigma_foundry

    And now they cannot even defend themselves in court, because the details of the investigations remain classified

    One of the key functions of lawsuits is to cause the dissemination of information, and this is information that is important, and of manifest public concern.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com eee_eff

    And now they cannot even defend themselves in court, because the details of the investigations remain classified

    One of the key functions of lawsuits is to cause the dissemination of information, and this is information that is important, and of manifest public concern.

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