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		<title>By: Justin R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-39816</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Use a vanpool!  You get the same dollar benefit and it&#039;s applied in a voucher.  Thousands of people use vanpools to DC and the only registered person is the Primary and Alternate drivers.  VPSI inc @ www.vpsiinc.com is a great company and has great rates for federal workers commuting from all points to DC.  Hope this helps!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use a vanpool!  You get the same dollar benefit and it&#8217;s applied in a voucher.  Thousands of people use vanpools to DC and the only registered person is the Primary and Alternate drivers.  VPSI inc @ <a href="http://www.vpsiinc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vpsiinc.com</a> is a great company and has great rates for federal workers commuting from all points to DC.  Hope this helps!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Justin R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-47715</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Use a vanpool!  You get the same dollar benefit and it&#039;s applied in a voucher.  Thousands of people use vanpools to DC and the only registered person is the Primary and Alternate drivers.  VPSI inc @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vpsiinc.com&quot;&gt;www.vpsiinc.com&lt;/a&gt; is a great company and has great rates for federal workers commuting from all points to DC.  Hope this helps!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use a vanpool!  You get the same dollar benefit and it&#8217;s applied in a voucher.  Thousands of people use vanpools to DC and the only registered person is the Primary and Alternate drivers.  VPSI inc @ <a href="http://www.vpsiinc.com">http://www.vpsiinc.com</a> is a great company and has great rates for federal workers commuting from all points to DC.  Hope this helps!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-39815</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been thinking of it for a while, and I was even wondering about the appropriateness of posting my observation since it has more to do with Solveig Singleton. And yes I know there are many different opinions here.  In early November Singleton wrote two posts &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042970.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Knowledge on Copyright Reform&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042969.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Further Notes on Patent Reform&lt;/a&gt; that caused me to think about this concept a bit more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Additionally TechDirt is running a pole: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techdirt.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Which Internet Concern Worries You The Most?&lt;/a&gt; In responding to that pole (July 2007) I wrote:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The poll results are interesting in that the responders do not appear to reacting to concerns that actually would &quot;hurt&quot; them. For example, the number one response (at least for now) is government spying. In theory, this is being done to protect society and if one is not doing anything illegal - it should be of no consequence. (Privacy today is virtually non-existent, every time we go in a public place we are now recorded.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, the question &quot;DRM restrictions get more draconian&quot; raises the issue that laws are being passed that take away a consumers rights, criminalize behaviors, and aggrandizes the &quot;rights&quot; of the product producers. The fact that laws are being passed that deprive me of rights and criminalize certain behaviors is much more of a concern than some obscure bored bureaucrat watching me. With the way DRM is going, I could find myself in jail for buying the wrong ink for my printer.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My concern with Singleton&#039;s posts actually goes deeper than government versus corporate spying.  In her post she raises the issue of an &quot;enforcement problem&quot;. This phrase is suitably ambiguous as to what it really means. But based on the concept that corporations have a &quot;right&quot; to protect their so-called property, the logical implication, in the extreme sense, is that corporations should be given the right to &quot;arrest&quot;, &quot;judge&quot;, and &quot;fine&quot; whoever the corporations anoint as an intellectual property thief. No due process.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I am writing this, I peeked at TechDirt again looking for an article that I had previously read a while back on how consumers were losing their rights. TechDirt has two new posts. One &lt;i&gt;&quot;MLB&#039;s Latest Efforts To Screw Fans: All That Content You Bought? Gone, Thanks To DRM Change&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;&quot;Using The DMCA And DRM To Prevent Innovation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  Well, I&#039;ve gone on long enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking of it for a while, and I was even wondering about the appropriateness of posting my observation since it has more to do with Solveig Singleton. And yes I know there are many different opinions here.  In early November Singleton wrote two posts <a href="http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042970.php#comments" rel="nofollow">Public Knowledge on Copyright Reform</a> and <a href="http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042969.php#comments" rel="nofollow">Further Notes on Patent Reform</a> that caused me to think about this concept a bit more.</p>

<p>Additionally TechDirt is running a pole: <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Internet Concern Worries You The Most?</a> In responding to that pole (July 2007) I wrote:
<i>&#8220;The poll results are interesting in that the responders do not appear to reacting to concerns that actually would &#8220;hurt&#8221; them. For example, the number one response (at least for now) is government spying. In theory, this is being done to protect society and if one is not doing anything illegal &#8211; it should be of no consequence. (Privacy today is virtually non-existent, every time we go in a public place we are now recorded.)</i></p>

<p>However, the question &#8220;DRM restrictions get more draconian&#8221; raises the issue that laws are being passed that take away a consumers rights, criminalize behaviors, and aggrandizes the &#8220;rights&#8221; of the product producers. The fact that laws are being passed that deprive me of rights and criminalize certain behaviors is much more of a concern than some obscure bored bureaucrat watching me. With the way DRM is going, I could find myself in jail for buying the wrong ink for my printer.&#8221;</p>

<p>My concern with Singleton&#8217;s posts actually goes deeper than government versus corporate spying.  In her post she raises the issue of an &#8220;enforcement problem&#8221;. This phrase is suitably ambiguous as to what it really means. But based on the concept that corporations have a &#8220;right&#8221; to protect their so-called property, the logical implication, in the extreme sense, is that corporations should be given the right to &#8220;arrest&#8221;, &#8220;judge&#8221;, and &#8220;fine&#8221; whoever the corporations anoint as an intellectual property thief. No due process.</p>

<p>As I am writing this, I peeked at TechDirt again looking for an article that I had previously read a while back on how consumers were losing their rights. TechDirt has two new posts. One <i>&#8220;MLB&#8217;s Latest Efforts To Screw Fans: All That Content You Bought? Gone, Thanks To DRM Change&#8221;</i> and <i>&#8220;Using The DMCA And DRM To Prevent Innovation&#8221;</i>  Well, I&#8217;ve gone on long enough.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-47714</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have been thinking of it for a while, and I was even wondering about the appropriateness of posting my observation since it has more to do with Solveig Singleton. And yes I know there are many different opinions here.  In early November Singleton wrote two posts &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042970.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Public Knowledge on Copyright Reform&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042969.php#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Further Notes on Patent Reform&lt;/a&gt; that caused me to think about this concept a bit more.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Additionally TechDirt is running a pole: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.techdirt.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Which Internet Concern Worries You The Most?&lt;/a&gt; In responding to that pole (July 2007) I wrote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The poll results are interesting in that the responders do not appear to reacting to concerns that actually would &quot;hurt&quot; them. For example, the number one response (at least for now) is government spying. In theory, this is being done to protect society and if one is not doing anything illegal - it should be of no consequence. (Privacy today is virtually non-existent, every time we go in a public place we are now recorded.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, the question &quot;DRM restrictions get more draconian&quot; raises the issue that laws are being passed that take away a consumers rights, criminalize behaviors, and aggrandizes the &quot;rights&quot; of the product producers. The fact that laws are being passed that deprive me of rights and criminalize certain behaviors is much more of a concern than some obscure bored bureaucrat watching me. With the way DRM is going, I could find myself in jail for buying the wrong ink for my printer.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My concern with Singleton&#039;s posts actually goes deeper than government versus corporate spying.  In her post she raises the issue of an &quot;enforcement problem&quot;. This phrase is suitably ambiguous as to what it really means. But based on the concept that corporations have a &quot;right&quot; to protect their so-called property, the logical implication, in the extreme sense, is that corporations should be given the right to &quot;arrest&quot;, &quot;judge&quot;, and &quot;fine&quot; whoever the corporations anoint as an intellectual property thief. No due process.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I am writing this, I peeked at TechDirt again looking for an article that I had previously read a while back on how consumers were losing their rights. TechDirt has two new posts. One &lt;i&gt;&quot;MLB&#039;s Latest Efforts To Screw Fans: All That Content You Bought? Gone, Thanks To DRM Change&quot;&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;&quot;Using The DMCA And DRM To Prevent Innovation&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  Well, I&#039;ve gone on long enough.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking of it for a while, and I was even wondering about the appropriateness of posting my observation since it has more to do with Solveig Singleton. And yes I know there are many different opinions here.  In early November Singleton wrote two posts <a href="http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042970.php#comments" rel="nofollow">Public Knowledge on Copyright Reform</a> and <a href="http://www.techliberation.com/archives/042969.php#comments" rel="nofollow">Further Notes on Patent Reform</a> that caused me to think about this concept a bit more.<br /><br />Additionally TechDirt is running a pole: <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/" rel="nofollow">Which Internet Concern Worries You The Most?</a> In responding to that pole (July 2007) I wrote:<br /><i>&#8220;The poll results are interesting in that the responders do not appear to reacting to concerns that actually would &#8220;hurt&#8221; them. For example, the number one response (at least for now) is government spying. In theory, this is being done to protect society and if one is not doing anything illegal &#8211; it should be of no consequence. (Privacy today is virtually non-existent, every time we go in a public place we are now recorded.)<br /><br />However, the question &#8220;DRM restrictions get more draconian&#8221; raises the issue that laws are being passed that take away a consumers rights, criminalize behaviors, and aggrandizes the &#8220;rights&#8221; of the product producers. The fact that laws are being passed that deprive me of rights and criminalize certain behaviors is much more of a concern than some obscure bored bureaucrat watching me. With the way DRM is going, I could find myself in jail for buying the wrong ink for my printer.&#8221;</i><br /><br />My concern with Singleton&#8217;s posts actually goes deeper than government versus corporate spying.  In her post she raises the issue of an &#8220;enforcement problem&#8221;. This phrase is suitably ambiguous as to what it really means. But based on the concept that corporations have a &#8220;right&#8221; to protect their so-called property, the logical implication, in the extreme sense, is that corporations should be given the right to &#8220;arrest&#8221;, &#8220;judge&#8221;, and &#8220;fine&#8221; whoever the corporations anoint as an intellectual property thief. No due process.<br /><br />As I am writing this, I peeked at TechDirt again looking for an article that I had previously read a while back on how consumers were losing their rights. TechDirt has two new posts. One <i>&#8220;MLB&#8217;s Latest Efforts To Screw Fans: All That Content You Bought? Gone, Thanks To DRM Change&#8221;</i> and <i>&#8220;Using The DMCA And DRM To Prevent Innovation&#8221;</i>  Well, I&#8217;ve gone on long enough.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-39814</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can always buy another card. In fact, Metro is planning on making the cards free and allowing you to buy them at more venues, so this&#039;ll be easier. Remember that the DC metro has as many MD/VA commuters as residents, and has to be tourist-friendly, so it&#039;ll be a long time before access is closed to Smartrip users only, let alone state-IDs only.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always buy another card. In fact, Metro is planning on making the cards free and allowing you to buy them at more venues, so this&#8217;ll be easier. Remember that the DC metro has as many MD/VA commuters as residents, and has to be tourist-friendly, so it&#8217;ll be a long time before access is closed to Smartrip users only, let alone state-IDs only.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: B</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-47713</link>
		<dc:creator>B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You can always buy another card. In fact, Metro is planning on making the cards free and allowing you to buy them at more venues, so this&#039;ll be easier. Remember that the DC metro has as many MD/VA commuters as residents, and has to be tourist-friendly, so it&#039;ll be a long time before access is closed to Smartrip users only, let alone state-IDs only.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always buy another card. In fact, Metro is planning on making the cards free and allowing you to buy them at more venues, so this&#8217;ll be easier. Remember that the DC metro has as many MD/VA commuters as residents, and has to be tourist-friendly, so it&#8217;ll be a long time before access is closed to Smartrip users only, let alone state-IDs only.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Harper</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-39813</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the observation, Steve.  Each of the bloggers here on TLF speaks for him- or herself, and we don&#039;t all agree on everything, so there well could be &quot;gaps&quot; among us on issues like this.  But I&#039;d be interested to know which posts have promoted DRM for tracking consumers.  I know there are plenty that criticize DRM, if not directly on that basis.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Corporate tracking is less concerning to most of us than government tracking because corporations do not have the monopoly on force that governments have.  Corporations can inconvenience people and do some bad things, but governments can lock you up and throw away the key, so I think most of us prioritize concerns with government power.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the observation, Steve.  Each of the bloggers here on TLF speaks for him- or herself, and we don&#8217;t all agree on everything, so there well could be &#8220;gaps&#8221; among us on issues like this.  But I&#8217;d be interested to know which posts have promoted DRM for tracking consumers.  I know there are plenty that criticize DRM, if not directly on that basis.</p>

<p>Corporate tracking is less concerning to most of us than government tracking because corporations do not have the monopoly on force that governments have.  Corporations can inconvenience people and do some bad things, but governments can lock you up and throw away the key, so I think most of us prioritize concerns with government power.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Harper</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-47712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the observation, Steve.  Each of the bloggers here on TLF speaks for him- or herself, and we don&#039;t all agree on everything, so there well could be &quot;gaps&quot; among us on issues like this.  But I&#039;d be interested to know which posts have promoted DRM for tracking consumers.  I know there are plenty that criticize DRM, if not directly on that basis.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Corporate tracking is less concerning to most of us than government tracking because corporations do not have the monopoly on force that governments have.  Corporations can inconvenience people and do some bad things, but governments can lock you up and throw away the key, so I think most of us prioritize concerns with government power.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the observation, Steve.  Each of the bloggers here on TLF speaks for him- or herself, and we don&#8217;t all agree on everything, so there well could be &#8220;gaps&#8221; among us on issues like this.  But I&#8217;d be interested to know which posts have promoted DRM for tracking consumers.  I know there are plenty that criticize DRM, if not directly on that basis.<br /><br />Corporate tracking is less concerning to most of us than government tracking because corporations do not have the monopoly on force that governments have.  Corporations can inconvenience people and do some bad things, but governments can lock you up and throw away the key, so I think most of us prioritize concerns with government power.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-39812</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a result of reading the posts on this website, I have been sensing logical &quot;gaps&quot;. In this case the use of  RFID chips to track the movement of people (consumers) versus the use of DRM technologies to track how people (consumers) use a product.  The logical &quot;gap&quot; in this case: Why is &quot;bad&quot; for the government to track people, but it is &quot;good&quot; for corporations to track people????&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In either situation, we are loosing &quot;privacy&quot; and we are being subjected to ever greater &quot;surveillance&quot;. So from my point of view, both government and private industry are essentially doing the same thing; yet government surveillance tends to be viewed as &quot;wrong&quot; while corporate surveillance tends to be viewed by some as &quot;acceptable&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a result of reading the posts on this website, I have been sensing logical &#8220;gaps&#8221;. In this case the use of  RFID chips to track the movement of people (consumers) versus the use of DRM technologies to track how people (consumers) use a product.  The logical &#8220;gap&#8221; in this case: Why is &#8220;bad&#8221; for the government to track people, but it is &#8220;good&#8221; for corporations to track people????</p>

<p>In either situation, we are loosing &#8220;privacy&#8221; and we are being subjected to ever greater &#8220;surveillance&#8221;. So from my point of view, both government and private industry are essentially doing the same thing; yet government surveillance tends to be viewed as &#8220;wrong&#8221; while corporate surveillance tends to be viewed by some as &#8220;acceptable&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/11/07/surveillance-infrastructure-creeps-forward-in-dc/comment-page-1/#comment-47711</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 18:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a result of reading the posts on this website, I have been sensing logical &quot;gaps&quot;. In this case the use of  RFID chips to track the movement of people (consumers) versus the use of DRM technologies to track how people (consumers) use a product.  The logical &quot;gap&quot; in this case: Why is &quot;bad&quot; for the government to track people, but it is &quot;good&quot; for corporations to track people????&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In either situation, we are loosing &quot;privacy&quot; and we are being subjected to ever greater &quot;surveillance&quot;. So from my point of view, both government and private industry are essentially doing the same thing; yet government surveillance tends to be viewed as &quot;wrong&quot; while corporate surveillance tends to be viewed by some as &quot;acceptable&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a result of reading the posts on this website, I have been sensing logical &#8220;gaps&#8221;. In this case the use of  RFID chips to track the movement of people (consumers) versus the use of DRM technologies to track how people (consumers) use a product.  The logical &#8220;gap&#8221; in this case: Why is &#8220;bad&#8221; for the government to track people, but it is &#8220;good&#8221; for corporations to track people????<br /><br />In either situation, we are loosing &#8220;privacy&#8221; and we are being subjected to ever greater &#8220;surveillance&#8221;. So from my point of view, both government and private industry are essentially doing the same thing; yet government surveillance tends to be viewed as &#8220;wrong&#8221; while corporate surveillance tends to be viewed by some as &#8220;acceptable&#8221;.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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