Comments on: Encrypt Your Stuff, People http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49344 Doug Lay Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:22:32 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49344 <p>Thanks, Tom.<br><br>Boy, I hear a lot of bad things about Rogers. I wonder if they are a monopoly provider for the majority of their users or not?<br><br>I'll have to start keeping a closer eye on this stuff. If it gets bad enough, I may have to re-evaluate my general opposition to legislated net neutrality rules.</p> Thanks, Tom.

Boy, I hear a lot of bad things about Rogers. I wonder if they are a monopoly provider for the majority of their users or not?

I’ll have to start keeping a closer eye on this stuff. If it gets bad enough, I may have to re-evaluate my general opposition to legislated net neutrality rules.

]]> By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38963 Doug Lay Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:22:32 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38963 <p>Thanks, Tom.</p> <p>Boy, I hear a lot of bad things about Rogers. I wonder if they are a monopoly provider for the majority of their users or not?</p> <p>I'll have to start keeping a closer eye on this stuff. If it gets bad enough, I may have to re-evaluate my general opposition to legislated net neutrality rules.</p> Thanks, Tom.

Boy, I hear a lot of bad things about Rogers. I wonder if they are a monopoly provider for the majority of their users or not?

I’ll have to start keeping a closer eye on this stuff. If it gets bad enough, I may have to re-evaluate my general opposition to legislated net neutrality rules.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49343 Tom Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:36:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49343 <p>Doug: I've seen this story several times with different ISPs, but here's the first thing that Google turned up:<br><br><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/rogers-fighting-bittorrent-by-throttling-all-encrypted-transfers/" rel="nofollow">Rogers Fights BitTorrent by Throttling All Encrypted Transfers</a><br><br>Needless to say, telecommuting VPN users are not pleased by this development.<br><br>MikeT raises an interesting point, although of course filesharing means that metered bandwidth would really just intensify the already-present incentive for locking down your wifi. I'd be sorry to see the availability of open APs decline, but one can imagine projects like NoCatAuth or La Fonera offering functionality that would require payment for high-traffic use while allowing lighter-weight apps like VoIP or web access through. La Fonera in particular already has a system in place to encourage this sort of altruism. And Busboys & Poets, a coffeeshop not too far from my house, already offers free-bandwidth-to-a-point, with the limit determined by total transfer volume (each user gets a daily allotment).</p> Doug: I’ve seen this story several times with different ISPs, but here’s the first thing that Google turned up:

Rogers Fights BitTorrent by Throttling All Encrypted Transfers

Needless to say, telecommuting VPN users are not pleased by this development.

MikeT raises an interesting point, although of course filesharing means that metered bandwidth would really just intensify the already-present incentive for locking down your wifi. I’d be sorry to see the availability of open APs decline, but one can imagine projects like NoCatAuth or La Fonera offering functionality that would require payment for high-traffic use while allowing lighter-weight apps like VoIP or web access through. La Fonera in particular already has a system in place to encourage this sort of altruism. And Busboys & Poets, a coffeeshop not too far from my house, already offers free-bandwidth-to-a-point, with the limit determined by total transfer volume (each user gets a daily allotment).

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38962 Tom Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:36:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38962 <p>Doug: I've seen this story several times with different ISPs, but here's the first thing that Google turned up:</p> <p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/rogers-fighting-bittorrent-by-throttling-all-encrypted-transfers/" rel="nofollow">Rogers Fights BitTorrent by Throttling All Encrypted Transfers</a></p> <p>Needless to say, telecommuting VPN users are not pleased by this development.</p> <p>MikeT raises an interesting point, although of course filesharing means that metered bandwidth would really just intensify the already-present incentive for locking down your wifi. I'd be sorry to see the availability of open APs decline, but one can imagine projects like NoCatAuth or La Fonera offering functionality that would require payment for high-traffic use while allowing lighter-weight apps like VoIP or web access through. La Fonera in particular already has a system in place to encourage this sort of altruism. And Busboys & Poets, a coffeeshop not too far from my house, already offers free-bandwidth-to-a-point, with the limit determined by total transfer volume (each user gets a daily allotment).</p> Doug: I’ve seen this story several times with different ISPs, but here’s the first thing that Google turned up:

Rogers Fights BitTorrent by Throttling All Encrypted Transfers

Needless to say, telecommuting VPN users are not pleased by this development.

MikeT raises an interesting point, although of course filesharing means that metered bandwidth would really just intensify the already-present incentive for locking down your wifi. I’d be sorry to see the availability of open APs decline, but one can imagine projects like NoCatAuth or La Fonera offering functionality that would require payment for high-traffic use while allowing lighter-weight apps like VoIP or web access through. La Fonera in particular already has a system in place to encourage this sort of altruism. And Busboys & Poets, a coffeeshop not too far from my house, already offers free-bandwidth-to-a-point, with the limit determined by total transfer volume (each user gets a daily allotment).

]]> By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49342 Doug Lay Thu, 26 Jul 2007 23:14:00 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49342 <p>>> Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.<br><br>Fascinating. Do you have a link to evidence on this?</p> >> Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.

Fascinating. Do you have a link to evidence on this?

]]> By: MikeT http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49341 MikeT Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:48:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49341 <p>One issue that would come out of this, though, is that there would be new legislation to punish people for piggybacking on wireless networks. If you did that without permission, you would be rightfully declared guilty of theft of service.</p> One issue that would come out of this, though, is that there would be new legislation to punish people for piggybacking on wireless networks. If you did that without permission, you would be rightfully declared guilty of theft of service.

]]> By: MikeT http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49340 MikeT Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:46:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49340 <p>A good example to explain to people why a one-size-fits-all package is bad would be your water bill. Water is essentially a renewable resource, and is the utility closest to bandwidth in that respect. Imagine having to subsidize every business and lazy home owner who wastes lot's of water. Most people would agree that they should pay for what they use there. I think more people would like metered bandwidth if the ISPs would offer it incentives like a $10 connection fee and $0.25/GB downloaded.</p> A good example to explain to people why a one-size-fits-all package is bad would be your water bill. Water is essentially a renewable resource, and is the utility closest to bandwidth in that respect. Imagine having to subsidize every business and lazy home owner who wastes lot’s of water. Most people would agree that they should pay for what they use there. I think more people would like metered bandwidth if the ISPs would offer it incentives like a $10 connection fee and $0.25/GB downloaded.

]]> By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38961 Doug Lay Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:14:00 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38961 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Fascinating. Do you have a link to evidence on this?</p>

Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.

Fascinating. Do you have a link to evidence on this?

]]> By: MikeT http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38960 MikeT Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:48:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38960 <p>One issue that would come out of this, though, is that there would be new legislation to punish people for piggybacking on wireless networks. If you did that without permission, you would be rightfully declared guilty of theft of service.</p> One issue that would come out of this, though, is that there would be new legislation to punish people for piggybacking on wireless networks. If you did that without permission, you would be rightfully declared guilty of theft of service.

]]> By: MikeT http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38959 MikeT Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:46:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38959 <p>A good example to explain to people why a one-size-fits-all package is bad would be your water bill. Water is essentially a renewable resource, and is the utility closest to bandwidth in that respect. Imagine having to subsidize every business and lazy home owner who wastes lot's of water. Most people would agree that they should pay for what they use there. I think more people would like metered bandwidth if the ISPs would offer it incentives like a $10 connection fee and $0.25/GB downloaded.</p> A good example to explain to people why a one-size-fits-all package is bad would be your water bill. Water is essentially a renewable resource, and is the utility closest to bandwidth in that respect. Imagine having to subsidize every business and lazy home owner who wastes lot’s of water. Most people would agree that they should pay for what they use there. I think more people would like metered bandwidth if the ISPs would offer it incentives like a $10 connection fee and $0.25/GB downloaded.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49339 Tom Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:43:54 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49339 <p>Whoops -- hit submit too soon. Just wanted to add that I think this underscores the need for metered bandwidth. The current "all you can eat (but not really)" system creates perverse incentives for the ISPs. To maximize profitability they need to provide the absolute minimum amount of service that their customers will tolerate while still paying the one-size-fits-all rate. That's not a good situation for consumers.<br><br>ISPs should be <em>happy</em> when people use (and pay for) more of their network services -- those are the conditions under which competition and innovation will flourish.</p> Whoops — hit submit too soon. Just wanted to add that I think this underscores the need for metered bandwidth. The current “all you can eat (but not really)” system creates perverse incentives for the ISPs. To maximize profitability they need to provide the absolute minimum amount of service that their customers will tolerate while still paying the one-size-fits-all rate. That’s not a good situation for consumers.

ISPs should be happy when people use (and pay for) more of their network services — those are the conditions under which competition and innovation will flourish.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-49338 Tom Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:39:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-49338 <p>Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.</p> Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38958 Tom Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:43:54 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38958 <p>Whoops -- hit submit too soon. Just wanted to add that I think this underscores the need for metered bandwidth. The current "all you can eat (but not really)" system creates perverse incentives for the ISPs. To maximize profitability they need to provide the absolute minimum amount of service that their customers will tolerate while still paying the one-size-fits-all rate. That's not a good situation for consumers.</p> <p>ISPs should be <em>happy</em> when people use (and pay for) more of their network services -- those are the conditions under which competition and innovation will flourish.</p> Whoops — hit submit too soon. Just wanted to add that I think this underscores the need for metered bandwidth. The current “all you can eat (but not really)” system creates perverse incentives for the ISPs. To maximize profitability they need to provide the absolute minimum amount of service that their customers will tolerate while still paying the one-size-fits-all rate. That’s not a good situation for consumers.

ISPs should be happy when people use (and pay for) more of their network services — those are the conditions under which competition and innovation will flourish.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/comment-page-1/#comment-38957 Tom Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:39:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/07/26/encrypt-your-stuff-people/#comment-38957 <p>Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.</p> Unfortunately, most ISPs that are implementing traffic shaping are closing the encryption loophole by simply throttling all encrypted traffic at their most restrictive rate.

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