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	<title>Comments on: Steven Levy on Mashups</title>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-49741</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The following is a misstatement of the dynamics of the copyright discussion: &lt;i&gt;&quot;We really do need to give up on the argument that we like what so-and-so does, therefore he should be able to do it for free&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;. It appears that those with the power (RIAA) seek to utilize the legislative process to guarantee a revenue stream. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/gadgets/portablemusic/news/2002/06/53377&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wired&lt;/a&gt; reported &lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel offered the most compelling evidence that the RIAA used its size and control of music copyrights to force companies to capitulate to its demands. Of the 26 licensing agreements the RIAA struck with webcasters, the panel found that 25 were signed under adverse conditions.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;. Doesn&#039;t sound like a free market is in operation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is a misstatement of the dynamics of the copyright discussion: <i>&#8220;We really do need to give up on the argument that we like what so-and-so does, therefore he should be able to do it for free&#8221;</i><i>. It appears that those with the power (RIAA) seek to utilize the legislative process to guarantee a revenue stream. <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgets/portablemusic/news/2002/06/53377" rel="nofollow">Wired</a> reported </i><i>&#8220;The Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel offered the most compelling evidence that the RIAA used its size and control of music copyrights to force companies to capitulate to its demands. Of the 26 licensing agreements the RIAA struck with webcasters, the panel found that 25 were signed under adverse conditions.&#8221;</i><i>. Doesn&#8217;t sound like a free market is in operation.<br /><br /><br /><br /></i></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-38708</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The following is a misstatement of the dynamics of the copyright discussion: &lt;i&gt;&quot;We really do need to give up on the argument that we like what so-and-so does, therefore he should be able to do it for free&quot;&lt;i&gt;. It appears that those with the power (RIAA) seek to utilize the legislative process to guarantee a revenue stream. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wired.com/gadgets/portablemusic/news/2002/06/53377&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wired&lt;/a&gt; reported &lt;i&gt;&quot;The Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel offered the most compelling evidence that the RIAA used its size and control of music copyrights to force companies to capitulate to its demands. Of the 26 licensing agreements the RIAA struck with webcasters, the panel found that 25 were signed under adverse conditions.&quot;&lt;i&gt;. Doesn&#039;t sound like a free market is in operation.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The following is a misstatement of the dynamics of the copyright discussion: <i>&#8220;We really do need to give up on the argument that we like what so-and-so does, therefore he should be able to do it for free&#8221;</i><i>. It appears that those with the power (RIAA) seek to utilize the legislative process to guarantee a revenue stream. <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgets/portablemusic/news/2002/06/53377" rel="nofollow">Wired</a> reported </i><i>&#8220;The Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel offered the most compelling evidence that the RIAA used its size and control of music copyrights to force companies to capitulate to its demands. Of the 26 licensing agreements the RIAA struck with webcasters, the panel found that 25 were signed under adverse conditions.&#8221;</i><i>. Doesn&#8217;t sound like a free market is in operation.</i></p>

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		<title>By: Chris Brand</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-49740</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ahem.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;that should of course be :&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;while disfavouring those who have yet to create&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem.<br /><br />that should of course be :<br /></p>

<blockquote><br />while disfavouring those who have yet to create<br /></blockquote>

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		<title>By: Chris Brand</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-49739</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is simply another example of how copyright tends to protect creators who have already created while disfavouring those who have already created (see also documentary creators and the appropriation art people).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s no coincidence that the people pushing hardest for longer terms and more exclusive rights are those that already hold lots of copyrights rather than those who are trying to decide whether to create a work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.<br /><br />This is simply another example of how copyright tends to protect creators who have already created while disfavouring those who have already created (see also documentary creators and the appropriation art people).<br /><br />It&#8217;s no coincidence that the people pushing hardest for longer terms and more exclusive rights are those that already hold lots of copyrights rather than those who are trying to decide whether to create a work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Chris Brand</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-38707</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ahem.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;that should of course be :&lt;/p&gt;

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while disfavouring those who have yet to create
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem.</p>

<p>that should of course be :</p>

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while disfavouring those who have yet to create
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		<title>By: Chris Brand</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-38706</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This is simply another example of how copyright tends to protect creators who have already created while disfavouring those who have already created (see also documentary creators and the appropriation art people).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s no coincidence that the people pushing hardest for longer terms and more exclusive rights are those that already hold lots of copyrights rather than those who are trying to decide whether to create a work.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>

<p>This is simply another example of how copyright tends to protect creators who have already created while disfavouring those who have already created (see also documentary creators and the appropriation art people).</p>

<p>It&#8217;s no coincidence that the people pushing hardest for longer terms and more exclusive rights are those that already hold lots of copyrights rather than those who are trying to decide whether to create a work.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Harper</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-49738</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As to &quot;screwing creators,&quot; it seems worth noting that this is not a conflict between the creators of the original works and some undifferentiated other.  It&#039;s a contest between the creators of the original works and the creator of the new work.  Whatever its merits in Rube Goldberg terms, this proposal is &quot;screwing&quot; one creator to help another creator.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The question to me is not so much about administration of the rights but why one creator should be preferred over the other.  I suspect, consistent with Tim&#039;s administrative point, that the creators of the original works would have gone ahead with their creations despite the risk of a new work coming into existence thanks to small samples of theirs. (Indeed, the risk is not always of harm, but, sometimes, of being popularized by the later work.) It seems to me that the &quot;conflict&quot; is created by copyright law&#039;s (and copyright practice&#039;s) hostility to sampling, not anything intrinsic to the interests of the creators as creators.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to &#8220;screwing creators,&#8221; it seems worth noting that this is not a conflict between the creators of the original works and some undifferentiated other.  It&#8217;s a contest between the creators of the original works and the creator of the new work.  Whatever its merits in Rube Goldberg terms, this proposal is &#8220;screwing&#8221; one creator to help another creator.</p>

<p>The question to me is not so much about administration of the rights but why one creator should be preferred over the other.  I suspect, consistent with Tim&#8217;s administrative point, that the creators of the original works would have gone ahead with their creations despite the risk of a new work coming into existence thanks to small samples of theirs. (Indeed, the risk is not always of harm, but, sometimes, of being popularized by the later work.) It seems to me that the &#8220;conflict&#8221; is created by copyright law&#8217;s (and copyright practice&#8217;s) hostility to sampling, not anything intrinsic to the interests of the creators as creators.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jim Harper</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-38705</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As to &quot;screwing creators,&quot; it seems worth noting that this is not a conflict between the creators of the original works and some undifferentiated other.  It&#039;s a contest between the creators of the original works and the creator of the new work.  Whatever its merits in Rube Goldberg terms, this proposal is &quot;screwing&quot; one creator to help another creator.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The question to me is not so much about administration of the rights but why one creator should be preferred over the other.  I suspect, consistent with Tim&#039;s administrative point, that the creators of the original works would have gone ahead with their creations despite the risk of a new work coming into existence thanks to small samples of theirs. (Indeed, the risk is not always of harm, but, sometimes, of being popularized by the later work.) It seems to me that the &quot;conflict&quot; is created by copyright law&#039;s (and copyright practice&#039;s) hostility to sampling, not anything intrinsic to the interests of the creators as creators.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to &#8220;screwing creators,&#8221; it seems worth noting that this is not a conflict between the creators of the original works and some undifferentiated other.  It&#8217;s a contest between the creators of the original works and the creator of the new work.  Whatever its merits in Rube Goldberg terms, this proposal is &#8220;screwing&#8221; one creator to help another creator.</p>

<p>The question to me is not so much about administration of the rights but why one creator should be preferred over the other.  I suspect, consistent with Tim&#8217;s administrative point, that the creators of the original works would have gone ahead with their creations despite the risk of a new work coming into existence thanks to small samples of theirs. (Indeed, the risk is not always of harm, but, sometimes, of being popularized by the later work.) It seems to me that the &#8220;conflict&#8221; is created by copyright law&#8217;s (and copyright practice&#8217;s) hostility to sampling, not anything intrinsic to the interests of the creators as creators.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-49737</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you that it&#039;s not a good idea to carve out dozens of tiny statutory exceptions to copyright law, so I&#039;m not sure what, if anything, Congress should do here. But isn&#039;t it pretty clear here that in an ideal world a mash-up artist that uses trivial snippets of another artist&#039;s music shouldn&#039;t be required to pay for doing so? Licensing &quot;mash-up rights&quot; is unlikely to ever be a significant source of revenue for artists, yet the logistical overhead of paying is likely to be a significant deterrent from the creation of new mash-ups--even in an ideal world with a streamlined mash-up clearing house. I&#039;m having trouble seeing any policy rationale for requiring payment for sampling trivial portions of copyrighted music.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that it&#8217;s not a good idea to carve out dozens of tiny statutory exceptions to copyright law, so I&#8217;m not sure what, if anything, Congress should do here. But isn&#8217;t it pretty clear here that in an ideal world a mash-up artist that uses trivial snippets of another artist&#8217;s music shouldn&#8217;t be required to pay for doing so? Licensing &#8220;mash-up rights&#8221; is unlikely to ever be a significant source of revenue for artists, yet the logistical overhead of paying is likely to be a significant deterrent from the creation of new mash-ups&#8211;even in an ideal world with a streamlined mash-up clearing house. I&#8217;m having trouble seeing any policy rationale for requiring payment for sampling trivial portions of copyrighted music.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/06/25/steven-levy-on-mashups/comment-page-1/#comment-38704</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 17:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with you that it&#039;s not a good idea to carve out dozens of tiny statutory exceptions to copyright law, so I&#039;m not sure what, if anything, Congress should do here. But isn&#039;t it pretty clear here that in an ideal world a mash-up artist that uses trivial snippets of another artist&#039;s music shouldn&#039;t be required to pay for doing so? Licensing &quot;mash-up rights&quot; is unlikely to ever be a significant source of revenue for artists, yet the logistical overhead of paying is likely to be a significant deterrent from the creation of new mash-ups--even in an ideal world with a streamlined mash-up clearing house. I&#039;m having trouble seeing any policy rationale for requiring payment for sampling trivial portions of copyrighted music.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you that it&#8217;s not a good idea to carve out dozens of tiny statutory exceptions to copyright law, so I&#8217;m not sure what, if anything, Congress should do here. But isn&#8217;t it pretty clear here that in an ideal world a mash-up artist that uses trivial snippets of another artist&#8217;s music shouldn&#8217;t be required to pay for doing so? Licensing &#8220;mash-up rights&#8221; is unlikely to ever be a significant source of revenue for artists, yet the logistical overhead of paying is likely to be a significant deterrent from the creation of new mash-ups&#8211;even in an ideal world with a streamlined mash-up clearing house. I&#8217;m having trouble seeing any policy rationale for requiring payment for sampling trivial portions of copyrighted music.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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