Comments on: Privacy and Race in the EU http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rikard http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-49969 Rikard Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:40:53 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/#comment-49969 <p>This might interest you.<br><br>Swedish government may soon get power to spy on its citizens<br><br>On June 17 2008, Sweden's parliament will probably pass a law giving the National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA) the mandate to listen in and store Text messages (SMS), Phone calls (both in wire and mobile), Email, HTTP-traffic etc that passes the Swedish border. Given the nature of TCP/IP, that means most emails (and VoIP).<br><br>Only, it turns out that the FRA has already been doing this (but only the wireless traffic) knowingly in violation with the Swedish constitution.<br><br>Former second in command Anders Wik says (in a recorded conversation with Swedish<br>Pirate Party leader Rick falkvinge) regarding the bill in question "[Passing this bill] will make it lawful".<br><br><a href="http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/">http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/</a><br><br><a href="http://english.rickfalkvinge.se/2008/06/04/more-on-the-ubiquitous-wiretapping-bill/">http://english.rickfalkvinge.se/2008/06/04/more...</a><br><br>MP of the green party, Max Andersson, has officially challenged the minister of Justice, Beatrice Ask, in the Parliament on investigating this constitutional violation.</p> This might interest you.

Swedish government may soon get power to spy on its citizens

On June 17 2008, Sweden’s parliament will probably pass a law giving the National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA) the mandate to listen in and store Text messages (SMS), Phone calls (both in wire and mobile), Email, HTTP-traffic etc that passes the Swedish border. Given the nature of TCP/IP, that means most emails (and VoIP).

Only, it turns out that the FRA has already been doing this (but only the wireless traffic) knowingly in violation with the Swedish constitution.

Former second in command Anders Wik says (in a recorded conversation with Swedish
Pirate Party leader Rick falkvinge) regarding the bill in question “[Passing this bill] will make it lawful”.

http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/

http://english.rickfalkvinge.se/2008/06/04/more…

MP of the green party, Max Andersson, has officially challenged the minister of Justice, Beatrice Ask, in the Parliament on investigating this constitutional violation.

]]> By: Rikard http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-42166 Rikard Fri, 06 Jun 2008 15:40:53 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/#comment-42166 <p>This might interest you.</p> <p>Swedish government may soon get power to spy on its citizens</p> <p>On June 17 2008, Sweden's parliament will probably pass a law giving the National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA) the mandate to listen in and store Text messages (SMS), Phone calls (both in wire and mobile), Email, HTTP-traffic etc that passes the Swedish border. Given the nature of TCP/IP, that means most emails (and VoIP).</p> <p>Only, it turns out that the FRA has already been doing this (but only the wireless traffic) knowingly in violation with the Swedish constitution.</p> <p>Former second in command Anders Wik says (in a recorded conversation with Swedish Pirate Party leader Rick falkvinge) regarding the bill in question "[Passing this bill] will make it lawful".</p> <p>http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/</p> <p>http://english.rickfalkvinge.se/2008/06/04/more-on-the-ubiquitous-wiretapping-bill/</p> <p>MP of the green party, Max Andersson, has officially challenged the minister of Justice, Beatrice Ask, in the Parliament on investigating this constitutional violation.</p> This might interest you.

Swedish government may soon get power to spy on its citizens

On June 17 2008, Sweden’s parliament will probably pass a law giving the National Defence Radio Establishment (FRA) the mandate to listen in and store Text messages (SMS), Phone calls (both in wire and mobile), Email, HTTP-traffic etc that passes the Swedish border. Given the nature of TCP/IP, that means most emails (and VoIP).

Only, it turns out that the FRA has already been doing this (but only the wireless traffic) knowingly in violation with the Swedish constitution.

Former second in command Anders Wik says (in a recorded conversation with Swedish Pirate Party leader Rick falkvinge) regarding the bill in question “[Passing this bill] will make it lawful”.

http://www.thelocal.se/12252/20080605/

http://english.rickfalkvinge.se/2008/06/04/more-on-the-ubiquitous-wiretapping-bill/

MP of the green party, Max Andersson, has officially challenged the minister of Justice, Beatrice Ask, in the Parliament on investigating this constitutional violation.

]]> By: Thomas Riedel http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-38671 Thomas Riedel Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:40:57 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/#comment-38671 <p>I understand that you have a degree in philosophy. Then you know that Europeans (at least the ones on the continent) proceed from Kant and Americans from Hobbes. With "proceed" I mean they seem to be caught in a way of thinking so that they rather move in circles than actually move ahead. If you accept this premise, then Europeans are indeed caught in a contradiction which is said - rightly or wrongly - to have been solved by Hegel: the subject is not part of the epistemological system but - according to Hegel - can be linked to it by way of dialectical thinking. If privacy proponents do not recognize this and do not ask for the dialectical relations at work, they will naturally produce nothing but legislation that deserves to be made fun of as in your post. However, I am under the impression that the philosophical basis of American privacy law is perfectly summed up in Hobbes' Leviathan:"The value or worth of a man is, as of all other things, his price; that is to say, so much as would be given for the use of his power, and therefore is not absolute, but a thing dependent on the need and judgement of another." Privacy then deals with exactly the enabling the accumulation and use of social capital which is identical now with money (a resume, a credit report, celebrity status are worth more than money, as this is according to Hobbes impossible, they ARE money. The thing is, however, then money itself is transformed from a mere economic good like any other that can be bought and sold. Into what it is transformed is the question. I have not heard of any neoclassic's idea about this problem.</p> <p>Regards,</p> <p>Thomas</p> I understand that you have a degree in philosophy. Then you know that Europeans (at least the ones on the continent) proceed from Kant and Americans from Hobbes. With “proceed” I mean they seem to be caught in a way of thinking so that they rather move in circles than actually move ahead. If you accept this premise, then Europeans are indeed caught in a contradiction which is said – rightly or wrongly – to have been solved by Hegel: the subject is not part of the epistemological system but – according to Hegel – can be linked to it by way of dialectical thinking. If privacy proponents do not recognize this and do not ask for the dialectical relations at work, they will naturally produce nothing but legislation that deserves to be made fun of as in your post. However, I am under the impression that the philosophical basis of American privacy law is perfectly summed up in Hobbes’ Leviathan:”The value or worth of a man is, as of all other things, his price; that is to say, so much as would be given for the use of his power, and therefore is not absolute, but a thing dependent on the need and judgement of another.” Privacy then deals with exactly the enabling the accumulation and use of social capital which is identical now with money (a resume, a credit report, celebrity status are worth more than money, as this is according to Hobbes impossible, they ARE money. The thing is, however, then money itself is transformed from a mere economic good like any other that can be bought and sold. Into what it is transformed is the question. I have not heard of any neoclassic’s idea about this problem.

Regards,

Thomas

]]> By: Thomas Riedel http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-49968 Thomas Riedel Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:40:57 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/06/21/privacy-and-race-in-the-eu/#comment-49968 <p>I understand that you have a degree in philosophy. Then you know that Europeans (at least the ones on the continent) proceed from Kant and Americans from Hobbes. With "proceed" I mean they seem to be caught in a way of thinking so that they rather move in circles than actually move ahead. If you accept this premise, then Europeans are indeed caught in a contradiction which is said - rightly or wrongly - to have been solved by Hegel: the subject is not part of the epistemological system but - according to Hegel - can be linked to it by way of dialectical thinking. If privacy proponents do not recognize this and do not ask for the dialectical relations at work, they will naturally produce nothing but legislation that deserves to be made fun of as in your post. However, I am under the impression that the philosophical basis of American privacy law is perfectly summed up in Hobbes' Leviathan:"The value or worth of a man is, as of all other things, his price; that is to say, so much as would be given for the use of his power, and therefore is not absolute, but a thing dependent on the need and judgement of another." Privacy then deals with exactly the enabling the accumulation and use of social capital which is identical now with money (a resume, a credit report, celebrity status are worth more than money, as this is according to Hobbes impossible, they ARE money. The thing is, however, then money itself is transformed from a mere economic good like any other that can be bought and sold. Into what it is transformed is the question. I have not heard of any neoclassic's idea about this problem.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Thomas</p> I understand that you have a degree in philosophy. Then you know that Europeans (at least the ones on the continent) proceed from Kant and Americans from Hobbes. With “proceed” I mean they seem to be caught in a way of thinking so that they rather move in circles than actually move ahead. If you accept this premise, then Europeans are indeed caught in a contradiction which is said – rightly or wrongly – to have been solved by Hegel: the subject is not part of the epistemological system but – according to Hegel – can be linked to it by way of dialectical thinking. If privacy proponents do not recognize this and do not ask for the dialectical relations at work, they will naturally produce nothing but legislation that deserves to be made fun of as in your post. However, I am under the impression that the philosophical basis of American privacy law is perfectly summed up in Hobbes’ Leviathan:”The value or worth of a man is, as of all other things, his price; that is to say, so much as would be given for the use of his power, and therefore is not absolute, but a thing dependent on the need and judgement of another.” Privacy then deals with exactly the enabling the accumulation and use of social capital which is identical now with money (a resume, a credit report, celebrity status are worth more than money, as this is according to Hobbes impossible, they ARE money. The thing is, however, then money itself is transformed from a mere economic good like any other that can be bought and sold. Into what it is transformed is the question. I have not heard of any neoclassic’s idea about this problem.

Regards,

Thomas

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