What’s the Pro-Software-Patent Argument?

by Tim Lee on June 12, 2007 · View Comments

Here are my thoughts on Solveig’s comments:

The focus on software patents in the oped is, however, rather misleading; the problems of the patent system are broader than that, affecting tech in general and not software in particular. Furthermore, these problems are not inherent in any patent system, but are peculiar to our system, because of problems with the way it is administered. Note that in Lee’s 1991 quote from Gates, Gates is concerned not that software patents are inherently bad, but that the way they have been implemented has not worked out.

It’s certainly true that the problems with the patent system extend beyond software patents. But I don’t think this is a fair reading of Gates’s memo. Later in the same paragraph I cited in my article, he wrote:

A recent paper from the League for Programming Freedom
(available from the Legal department) explains some problems with the
way patents are applied to software.

He was almost certainly referring to this paper, published about 3 months earlier. The first paragraph of that paper is:

Software patents threaten to devastate America’s computer industry. Patents granted in the past decade are now being used to attack companies such as the Lotus Development Corporation for selling programs that they have independently developed. Soon new companies will often be barred from the software arena–most major programs will require licenses for dozens of patents, and this will make them infeasible. This problem has only one solution: software patents must be eliminated.

Now even I will admit this was a bit alarmist, but if Gates was citing it favorably, it’s awfully hard to imagine he wasn’t at least sympathetic to the view that software patents were inherently bad.

Solveig continues:

It is doubtful whether it would have been possible to know in advance the “correct” answer to the question of whether copyright law or patent law “ought” to be applied to software. There are arguments that cut both ways. There is no evidence that going back would offer an improvement.

I would be curious to know which arguments cut in the pro-software-patent direction. I mean, I’ve offered more than two dozen examples of software patents, the vast majority of which appear to me to have stifled innovation. So I’m not sure what she means when she says there’s no evidence that going back would offer an improvement. At a minimum, it would save society the costs of indisputably wasteful cases like NTP/RIM, Eolas/Microsoft, Verizon/Vonage, and dozens of other examples I document above. On the flipside, I have yet to see software patent advocates offer a single compelling example of a software patent that clearly enhanced technological progress. For example, they’ll occasionally throw out Google as an example, but as I’ve discussed before, this example doesn’t withstand close scrutiny. To the contrary, Google is an example of the fact that companies start patenting only after they’ve become large and successful. Google filed for its first patent in March 2000, almost a year after they’d raised $25 million in capital from Sequoia Capital and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers. And they didn’t receive their first patent until 2003, at which point the company was already worth millions of dollars.

So I’d be interested to know what arguments point to patents being more appropriate than copyrights for the software industry—or why both are necessary. Solveig and others have argued that software patents aren’t as bad as I say they are, which may very well be true. But so far I have yet to see a clear explanation of what problem software patents solve. Clearly, software patents cause some problems, so absent a good reason to keep them, isn’t it obvious that we’d be better off without them?

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  • zelah
    A potential change that I think might be good for the patent system as regards software, would be a requirement that all patented software be disclosed in actual human readable source code. This would allow more individuals to know what the state of the art is and would lead to improvements on patented ideas by others. Further, there could be a requirement that all subsequent improvements borrowing significantly from the patented inventions be also published as human readable source code. Thanks. I look forward to reading some responses.
  • zelah
    I have not read any pro-software patent arguments but this issue concerns me deeply. I am the type of person who likes to invent new things. That being said, I believe I am on to a very significant idea in the field of data compression. Would you deny me, the lone inventor, from profiting from my great idea just because the patent laws, which I think we can all agree produce a public good in the general case, have been misapplied in the realm of software. I concede that there have been many patents granted for software "inventions" that really aren't inventions at all, but are not those that really are deserving, deserving of legal protection? I would argue that it is those programmers who would innovate the most who should be most supportive of software patents, that is, if by innovation, we mean creating new things. Could the public good not be enhanced if we as individual programmers were to shift our focus from applications to algorithms. Anyone can cut and paste, package code, and sell it, and I think those with money and established businesses are best suited to this role. Programmers who truly want to enhance the state of the art in software systems and in the process reap the commensurate financial rewards, should just innovate and leave the packaging to others. Perhaps we should not condemn software patents but just their misuse. If I am way off base about this, I would like to know what you think. And if you agree with me then please comment and spread the ideas. Thanks.
  • markit
    Does any of those that speak pro-sw patents, even know what software developening is? Anyone a programmer?
    Software patents are really bad, a legalized thief of honest programmer's work, and they will hurt very badly society as a whole, since the pervasive nature of software in modern society.
    Having monopolies on a vital part of people life could be the argument those "don't understand what software is but patents are good, so software patents have to be good also" blinded souls can maybe understand... maybe
  • Jim, we discussed papers by Cockburn (and I believe Merges). I addressed your critiques where you pointed out excerpts of my writing, including a post where I said there is a "consensus" among academics rather than limiting the pool to the three I discussed in the blog. I returned your email, only to get no reply.

    Many of the papers I"ve reviewed say more than this: "most are directed to showing that software patents have not yet harmed the software publishing industry."
  • Jim Bessen

    Noel wrote "for pro-software patents arguments, why don't you go to IPcentral and read some write-ups of Profs Merges, Lemley, Teece, Mann, Moser, Allison, Cockburn, Moore and others I've done. Their datasets combined contain thousands of patents, and their analysis, even if you disagree, should be addressed rather than dismissed with a blind eye."


    Noel, as I have pointed out to you before in private, most of these papers do NOT make pro-software patent arguments and in many, you seem to misunderstand the actual results, which often seem at odds with the interpretation you supply. Where these papers address software patents at all (many do not), most are directed to showing that software patents have not yet harmed the software publishing industry. Let's not confuse that with being pro-software patent.


    Moreover:
    <ul><li>most software patents are obtained by tech firms OUTSIDE the software publishing industry, so it is not clear these papers say anything dispositive about software patents in general</li>
    <li>there is strong evidence that software patents account for a major part of the recent surge in patent litigation. </li></ul>

    It is no accident that tech firms are leading efforts at patent reform. Although the problems with patents are more general, the problems with software patents seem to be especially severe.

  • AK
    Noel, that's one interpretation. The other is that now that Bill Gates has made good, he wants laws that would limit the competition his company faces. Why do I find that more likely?
  • Enigma, you've read my work enough to know Ive reviewed at least 100 IP articles to support patents over the past year.

    Tim's post gets more and more bizarre as you re-read it. For some reason, he wants Bill Gates to be an obstinant, rigid fool that can't change his mind over a span of 16 years. Gates is too smart though, he learned how to leverage patents for his firm. Free software firms on the other hand will never learn from their mistakes.
  • Noel,

    Why don't you or some one from IPCentral write a coherent article defending software patents?

    In particular, I'd like to see someone address some of the very well-written and well-researched books which are critical of the present "IP" regime, such as:

    Steal this Idea: the Corporate Confiscation of Creativity by Michael Perelman...
  • Tim, for pro-software patents arguments, why don't you go to IPcentral and read some write-ups of Profs Merges, Lemley, Teece, Mann, Moser, Allison, Cockburn, Moore and others I've done. Their datasets combined contain thousands of patents, and their analysis, even if you disagree, should be addressed rather than dismissed with a blind eye.
  • A consistent theme in Tim's writing is that he has a low threshhold for stifled innovation. One walks away thinking the technology sector will collapse tomorrow, but it makes sense when considering what Tim' actually sees as harmed: Tim implicitly argues that IPRs harm ideologies, thats why he sees significance in every molehill.

    Tim might think 100 million dollars is a lot, but in fact its a cost of business in a sector where probably more than $1 trillion exchanges hands.

    Tim is not really concerned with with the actual market. How on earth do you talk about barriers to entry and harm to new firms, without every talking about market entry? Oh I forgot, in the blog post right below this, Tim said he doesn't think its important to measure innovation.
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