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	<title>Comments on: Second Life to Adopt Age Verification</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Seecof</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/09/second-life-to-adopt-age-verification/comment-page-1/#comment-50620</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Seecof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They should not ask for the &quot;last four digits&quot; of a Social Security Number.  For an age-verification system, what you want are the first four or five digits, because those tell you when (and in which State) the SSN was issued.  Since most SSN&#039;s are now issued at birth, the age of the SSN may indicate something about the age of the holder.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, the &lt;i&gt;last&lt;/i&gt; four digits are the most useful to an identify thief, because given the State of residence and rough age of the proposed victim, he can often guess the first four or five digits of her SSN (then search on the whole string of digits to verify).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If asked for some SSN digits, you should supply leading digits, because people can estimate those with high probability anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suppose they got the &quot;last four digits&quot; idea from the (legitimate) practice of using the last four digits of a credit-card number to distinguish it &quot;in the local context&quot; of the owner&#039;s wallet.  A four-digit hash (somewhere between 10 and 13 &quot;random&quot; bits; the last digit is a checksum over the whole number) is good enough for that. The probability that a given person will have two cards with the same last-four-digits (assuming &quot;random&quot; distribution of account numbers) won&#039;t exceed 50% until he has more than about 32 cards.  (Google &quot;birthday paradox.&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A technique to remind customers which credit card they used last time without giving sales and shipping clerks the entire number is completely inapplicable to &quot;age verification.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should not ask for the &#8220;last four digits&#8221; of a Social Security Number.  For an age-verification system, what you want are the first four or five digits, because those tell you when (and in which State) the SSN was issued.  Since most SSN&#8217;s are now issued at birth, the age of the SSN may indicate something about the age of the holder.</p>

<p>However, the <i>last</i> four digits are the most useful to an identify thief, because given the State of residence and rough age of the proposed victim, he can often guess the first four or five digits of her SSN (then search on the whole string of digits to verify).</p>

<p>If asked for some SSN digits, you should supply leading digits, because people can estimate those with high probability anyway.</p>

<p>I suppose they got the &#8220;last four digits&#8221; idea from the (legitimate) practice of using the last four digits of a credit-card number to distinguish it &#8220;in the local context&#8221; of the owner&#8217;s wallet.  A four-digit hash (somewhere between 10 and 13 &#8220;random&#8221; bits; the last digit is a checksum over the whole number) is good enough for that. The probability that a given person will have two cards with the same last-four-digits (assuming &#8220;random&#8221; distribution of account numbers) won&#8217;t exceed 50% until he has more than about 32 cards.  (Google &#8220;birthday paradox.&#8221;)</p>

<p>A technique to remind customers which credit card they used last time without giving sales and shipping clerks the entire number is completely inapplicable to &#8220;age verification.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mark Seecof</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/09/second-life-to-adopt-age-verification/comment-page-1/#comment-38231</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Seecof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They should not ask for the &quot;last four digits&quot; of a Social Security Number.  For an age-verification system, what you want are the first four or five digits, because those tell you when (and in which State) the SSN was issued.  Since most SSN&#039;s are now issued at birth, the age of the SSN may indicate something about the age of the holder.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;However, the &lt;i&gt;last&lt;/i&gt; four digits are the most useful to an identify thief, because given the State of residence and rough age of the proposed victim, he can often guess the first four or five digits of her SSN (then search on the whole string of digits to verify).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If asked for some SSN digits, you should supply leading digits, because people can estimate those with high probability anyway.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I suppose they got the &quot;last four digits&quot; idea from the (legitimate) practice of using the last four digits of a credit-card number to distinguish it &quot;in the local context&quot; of the owner&#039;s wallet.  A four-digit hash (somewhere between 10 and 13 &quot;random&quot; bits; the last digit is a checksum over the whole number) is good enough for that. The probability that a given person will have two cards with the same last-four-digits (assuming &quot;random&quot; distribution of account numbers) won&#039;t exceed 50% until he has more than about 32 cards.  (Google &quot;birthday paradox.&quot;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A technique to remind customers which credit card they used last time without giving sales and shipping clerks the entire number is completely inapplicable to &quot;age verification.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should not ask for the &#8220;last four digits&#8221; of a Social Security Number.  For an age-verification system, what you want are the first four or five digits, because those tell you when (and in which State) the SSN was issued.  Since most SSN&#8217;s are now issued at birth, the age of the SSN may indicate something about the age of the holder.</p>

<p>However, the <i>last</i> four digits are the most useful to an identify thief, because given the State of residence and rough age of the proposed victim, he can often guess the first four or five digits of her SSN (then search on the whole string of digits to verify).</p>

<p>If asked for some SSN digits, you should supply leading digits, because people can estimate those with high probability anyway.</p>

<p>I suppose they got the &#8220;last four digits&#8221; idea from the (legitimate) practice of using the last four digits of a credit-card number to distinguish it &#8220;in the local context&#8221; of the owner&#8217;s wallet.  A four-digit hash (somewhere between 10 and 13 &#8220;random&#8221; bits; the last digit is a checksum over the whole number) is good enough for that. The probability that a given person will have two cards with the same last-four-digits (assuming &#8220;random&#8221; distribution of account numbers) won&#8217;t exceed 50% until he has more than about 32 cards.  (Google &#8220;birthday paradox.&#8221;)</p>

<p>A technique to remind customers which credit card they used last time without giving sales and shipping clerks the entire number is completely inapplicable to &#8220;age verification.&#8221;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/09/second-life-to-adopt-age-verification/comment-page-1/#comment-50619</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s suppose that 14-year-old Danny gives the address of his local Starbucks, his dog&#039;s birthday plus a few years, and a random four digit number.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;SL has two options.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It can disregard, and as a result anyone can dupe the age verification system.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or it can verify, which involves looking up people at their addresses, and somehow validating their birthdate and last four of SSN.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure how they&#039;d be allowed to access this information.  But I think the ID theft problem is understated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second option will hurt their business.  People don&#039;t like to give out personal information, especially anything SSN related.  If they can&#039;t get away without it, they might not sign up at all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s suppose that 14-year-old Danny gives the address of his local Starbucks, his dog&#8217;s birthday plus a few years, and a random four digit number.<br /><br />SL has two options.<br /><br />It can disregard, and as a result anyone can dupe the age verification system.<br /><br />Or it can verify, which involves looking up people at their addresses, and somehow validating their birthdate and last four of SSN.<br /><br />I&#8217;m not sure how they&#8217;d be allowed to access this information.  But I think the ID theft problem is understated.<br /><br />The second option will hurt their business.  People don&#8217;t like to give out personal information, especially anything SSN related.  If they can&#8217;t get away without it, they might not sign up at all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/09/second-life-to-adopt-age-verification/comment-page-1/#comment-38230</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let&#039;s suppose that 14-year-old Danny gives the address of his local Starbucks, his dog&#039;s birthday plus a few years, and a random four digit number.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;SL has two options.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It can disregard, and as a result anyone can dupe the age verification system.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Or it can verify, which involves looking up people at their addresses, and somehow validating their birthdate and last four of SSN.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure how they&#039;d be allowed to access this information.  But I think the ID theft problem is understated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The second option will hurt their business.  People don&#039;t like to give out personal information, especially anything SSN related.  If they can&#039;t get away without it, they might not sign up at all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s suppose that 14-year-old Danny gives the address of his local Starbucks, his dog&#8217;s birthday plus a few years, and a random four digit number.</p>

<p>SL has two options.</p>

<p>It can disregard, and as a result anyone can dupe the age verification system.</p>

<p>Or it can verify, which involves looking up people at their addresses, and somehow validating their birthdate and last four of SSN.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure how they&#8217;d be allowed to access this information.  But I think the ID theft problem is understated.</p>

<p>The second option will hurt their business.  People don&#8217;t like to give out personal information, especially anything SSN related.  If they can&#8217;t get away without it, they might not sign up at all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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