Comments on: A Brief Note on Ad Hominem Attacks on the TLF http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44255 Luis Villa Wed, 09 May 2007 18:38:21 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44255 <p>If a certain righty poster who does ad hominem all the time were included, this would carry a lot more moral weight.</p> If a certain righty poster who does ad hominem all the time were included, this would carry a lot more moral weight.

]]> By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38226 Luis Villa Wed, 09 May 2007 17:38:21 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38226 <p>If a certain righty poster who does ad hominem all the time were included, this would carry a lot more moral weight.</p> If a certain righty poster who does ad hominem all the time were included, this would carry a lot more moral weight.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44254 enigma_foundry Wed, 09 May 2007 02:03:14 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44254 <p><i>I hope you guys (and others) will take what I have said seriously because we certainly welcome your contributions to the TLF, but I would hope those contributions would not be done in such poor taste in the future.</i><br><br>Exactly what are you talking about, Adam?<br><br>It seems that you are being awfully thin-skinned, and recall the rather viscous words used against me several posts ago? No one from TLF objected then, but they do now.</p> I hope you guys (and others) will take what I have said seriously because we certainly welcome your contributions to the TLF, but I would hope those contributions would not be done in such poor taste in the future.

Exactly what are you talking about, Adam?

It seems that you are being awfully thin-skinned, and recall the rather viscous words used against me several posts ago? No one from TLF objected then, but they do now.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38225 enigma_foundry Wed, 09 May 2007 01:03:14 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38225 <p><i>I hope you guys (and others) will take what I have said seriously because we certainly welcome your contributions to the TLF, but I would hope those contributions would not be done in such poor taste in the future.</i></p> <p>Exactly what are you talking about, Adam?</p> <p>It seems that you are being awfully thin-skinned, and recall the rather viscous words used against me several posts ago? No one from TLF objected then, but they do now.</p> I hope you guys (and others) will take what I have said seriously because we certainly welcome your contributions to the TLF, but I would hope those contributions would not be done in such poor taste in the future.

Exactly what are you talking about, Adam?

It seems that you are being awfully thin-skinned, and recall the rather viscous words used against me several posts ago? No one from TLF objected then, but they do now.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44253 enigma_foundry Wed, 09 May 2007 00:58:10 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44253 <p><i>I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn't seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I'm thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)</i><br><br>I totally agree, and that is why I don't ever make ad hominum attacks.</p> I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn’t seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I’m thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)

I totally agree, and that is why I don’t ever make ad hominum attacks.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38224 enigma_foundry Tue, 08 May 2007 23:58:10 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38224 <p><i>I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn't seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I'm thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)</i></p> <p>I totally agree, and that is why I don't ever make ad hominum attacks.</p> I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn’t seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I’m thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)

I totally agree, and that is why I don’t ever make ad hominum attacks.

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44252 Jim Harper Tue, 08 May 2007 19:02:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44252 <p>In the spirit of goofing off - I'd like to note that Adam misrepresented this post as brief. It's not brief. Adam doesn't do brief.</p> In the spirit of goofing off – I’d like to note that Adam misrepresented this post as brief. It’s not brief. Adam doesn’t do brief.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44251 Scott Carpenter Tue, 08 May 2007 18:09:37 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44251 <p>I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn't seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I'm thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)<br><br>I'm not sure how my comment qualified as ad hominem. I thought Crosbie was just being silly and having fun with the association between this site and some others, and I just picked up on that. So flame me for goofing off. I enjoy discussions here on positions I agree with and disagree with. I don't seriously think this is a honeypot site or there is some kind of control conspiracy involved, but there's no doubt a relationship between this site and the others, and I think it's fair game for speculation, tongue-in-cheek or otherwise.</p> I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn’t seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I’m thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)

I’m not sure how my comment qualified as ad hominem. I thought Crosbie was just being silly and having fun with the association between this site and some others, and I just picked up on that. So flame me for goofing off. I enjoy discussions here on positions I agree with and disagree with. I don’t seriously think this is a honeypot site or there is some kind of control conspiracy involved, but there’s no doubt a relationship between this site and the others, and I think it’s fair game for speculation, tongue-in-cheek or otherwise.

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38223 Jim Harper Tue, 08 May 2007 18:02:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38223 <p>In the spirit of goofing off - I'd like to note that Adam misrepresented this post as brief. It's not brief. Adam doesn't do brief.</p> In the spirit of goofing off – I’d like to note that Adam misrepresented this post as brief. It’s not brief. Adam doesn’t do brief.

]]> By: Erik Schmidt http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44250 Erik Schmidt Tue, 08 May 2007 17:24:31 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44250 <p>I've found plenty I agree with and plenty I disagree with at TLF, which is why I enjoy reading it so much. Free exchange of ideas without the chaff found on so many other sites is what makes it one of my favorite reads.<br><br>I don't care who is making them, ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those who can't adequately argue a position.</p> I’ve found plenty I agree with and plenty I disagree with at TLF, which is why I enjoy reading it so much. Free exchange of ideas without the chaff found on so many other sites is what makes it one of my favorite reads.

I don’t care who is making them, ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those who can’t adequately argue a position.

]]> By: Scott Carpenter http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38222 Scott Carpenter Tue, 08 May 2007 17:09:37 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38222 <p>I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn't seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I'm thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)</p> <p>I'm not sure how my comment qualified as ad hominem. I thought Crosbie was just being silly and having fun with the association between this site and some others, and I just picked up on that. So flame me for goofing off. I enjoy discussions here on positions I agree with and disagree with. I don't seriously think this is a honeypot site or there is some kind of control conspiracy involved, but there's no doubt a relationship between this site and the others, and I think it's fair game for speculation, tongue-in-cheek or otherwise.</p> I think people are a little careless with the ad hominem label, and as Enigma has pointed out, it doesn’t seem to get leveled at others who make them here. (I’m thinking in particular of a certain red-baiting commenter.)

I’m not sure how my comment qualified as ad hominem. I thought Crosbie was just being silly and having fun with the association between this site and some others, and I just picked up on that. So flame me for goofing off. I enjoy discussions here on positions I agree with and disagree with. I don’t seriously think this is a honeypot site or there is some kind of control conspiracy involved, but there’s no doubt a relationship between this site and the others, and I think it’s fair game for speculation, tongue-in-cheek or otherwise.

]]> By: Mark Blafkin http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44249 Mark Blafkin Tue, 08 May 2007 16:45:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44249 <p>Amen, Brother.</p> Amen, Brother.

]]> By: Erik Schmidt http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38221 Erik Schmidt Tue, 08 May 2007 16:24:31 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38221 <p>I've found plenty I agree with and plenty I disagree with at TLF, which is why I enjoy reading it so much. Free exchange of ideas without the chaff found on so many other sites is what makes it one of my favorite reads.</p> <p>I don't care who is making them, ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those who can't adequately argue a position.</p> I’ve found plenty I agree with and plenty I disagree with at TLF, which is why I enjoy reading it so much. Free exchange of ideas without the chaff found on so many other sites is what makes it one of my favorite reads.

I don’t care who is making them, ad hominem attacks are the last refuge of those who can’t adequately argue a position.

]]> By: Mark Blafkin http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38220 Mark Blafkin Tue, 08 May 2007 15:45:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38220 <p>Amen, Brother.</p> Amen, Brother.

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44248 Tim Lee Tue, 08 May 2007 15:42:23 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44248 <p>Well said, Adam. We ought to be able to discuss these issues rationally without resorting to personal attacks.</p> Well said, Adam. We ought to be able to discuss these issues rationally without resorting to personal attacks.

]]> By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-44247 Doug Lay Tue, 08 May 2007 15:05:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-44247 <p>Tim isn't at one end of the spectrum. He's pretty moderate as far as copyfighters go. I'm pretty sure he believes copyright should continue to exist as a legal concept (I reluctantly agree) and he's even defended the Supreme Court's Grokster decision (I disagree on that one).<br><br>I don't think Solveig is an extremist either, at least not in demeanor. She makes her points rationally, as opposed to the sentimental tough guy posturing of folks like Patrick Ross and Chris Castle. I do think Solveig's credibility (and PFF's credibility in general) is harmed by the association with Jim DeLong, whose recent writings seem increasingly crackpot, drifting off into police-state fantasies about government-mandated deep packet inspection, which apparently the public is going to rise up and demand on an internet-wide basis. Yah right.<br><br>You are absolutely right about the "honeypot" theory regarding TLF. It's ridiculous. This is a great blog, great place for discussion.</p> Tim isn’t at one end of the spectrum. He’s pretty moderate as far as copyfighters go. I’m pretty sure he believes copyright should continue to exist as a legal concept (I reluctantly agree) and he’s even defended the Supreme Court’s Grokster decision (I disagree on that one).

I don’t think Solveig is an extremist either, at least not in demeanor. She makes her points rationally, as opposed to the sentimental tough guy posturing of folks like Patrick Ross and Chris Castle. I do think Solveig’s credibility (and PFF’s credibility in general) is harmed by the association with Jim DeLong, whose recent writings seem increasingly crackpot, drifting off into police-state fantasies about government-mandated deep packet inspection, which apparently the public is going to rise up and demand on an internet-wide basis. Yah right.

You are absolutely right about the “honeypot” theory regarding TLF. It’s ridiculous. This is a great blog, great place for discussion.

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38219 Tim Lee Tue, 08 May 2007 14:42:23 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38219 <p>Well said, Adam. We ought to be able to discuss these issues rationally without resorting to personal attacks.</p> Well said, Adam. We ought to be able to discuss these issues rationally without resorting to personal attacks.

]]> By: Doug Lay http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/comment-page-1/#comment-38218 Doug Lay Tue, 08 May 2007 14:05:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/05/08/a-brief-note-on-ad-hominem-attacks-on-the-tlf/#comment-38218 <p>Tim isn't at one end of the spectrum. He's pretty moderate as far as copyfighters go. I'm pretty sure he believes copyright should continue to exist as a legal concept (I reluctantly agree) and he's even defended the Supreme Court's Grokster decision (I disagree on that one).</p> <p>I don't think Solveig is an extremist either, at least not in demeanor. She makes her points rationally, as opposed to the sentimental tough guy posturing of folks like Patrick Ross and Chris Castle. I do think Solveig's credibility (and PFF's credibility in general) is harmed by the association with Jim DeLong, whose recent writings seem increasingly crackpot, drifting off into police-state fantasies about government-mandated deep packet inspection, which apparently the public is going to rise up and demand on an internet-wide basis. Yah right.</p> <p>You are absolutely right about the "honeypot" theory regarding TLF. It's ridiculous. This is a great blog, great place for discussion.</p> Tim isn’t at one end of the spectrum. He’s pretty moderate as far as copyfighters go. I’m pretty sure he believes copyright should continue to exist as a legal concept (I reluctantly agree) and he’s even defended the Supreme Court’s Grokster decision (I disagree on that one).

I don’t think Solveig is an extremist either, at least not in demeanor. She makes her points rationally, as opposed to the sentimental tough guy posturing of folks like Patrick Ross and Chris Castle. I do think Solveig’s credibility (and PFF’s credibility in general) is harmed by the association with Jim DeLong, whose recent writings seem increasingly crackpot, drifting off into police-state fantasies about government-mandated deep packet inspection, which apparently the public is going to rise up and demand on an internet-wide basis. Yah right.

You are absolutely right about the “honeypot” theory regarding TLF. It’s ridiculous. This is a great blog, great place for discussion.

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