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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-50642</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 21:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To go a step further on the distinction between contract and property:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Property law is often criticized for imposing forms of ownership which perpetuate hierarchy.  Given that DRM and music copyrights are generally held by corporations, this raises another concern.  Where corporations control both the contractual relationship with artists (or software engineers) and the property forms with consumers, they are able to perpetuate a system of governance which re-distributes wealth to their bottom line.  All corporations strive towards monopoly power (it is the nature of capitalism to compete), and therefore the forms of property they promote will tend towards narrow ownership of previously unregulated aspects of our lives.  Just as wealthy individuals have been able to create forms of property in land--such as an asset protection trust--which guards wealth via form (property) not equity (contract), so too can corporations promote property forms which tighten their grip over certain forms of information.  Given the protections afforded property by the Constitution, we should probably ask twice before conveying such power to entities.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go a step further on the distinction between contract and property:<br /><br />Property law is often criticized for imposing forms of ownership which perpetuate hierarchy.  Given that DRM and music copyrights are generally held by corporations, this raises another concern.  Where corporations control both the contractual relationship with artists (or software engineers) and the property forms with consumers, they are able to perpetuate a system of governance which re-distributes wealth to their bottom line.  All corporations strive towards monopoly power (it is the nature of capitalism to compete), and therefore the forms of property they promote will tend towards narrow ownership of previously unregulated aspects of our lives.  Just as wealthy individuals have been able to create forms of property in land&#8211;such as an asset protection trust&#8211;which guards wealth via form (property) not equity (contract), so too can corporations promote property forms which tighten their grip over certain forms of information.  Given the protections afforded property by the Constitution, we should probably ask twice before conveying such power to entities.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-38210</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 20:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To go a step further on the distinction between contract and property:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Property law is often criticized for imposing forms of ownership which perpetuate hierarchy.  Given that DRM and music copyrights are generally held by corporations, this raises another concern.  Where corporations control both the contractual relationship with artists (or software engineers) and the property forms with consumers, they are able to perpetuate a system of governance which re-distributes wealth to their bottom line.  All corporations strive towards monopoly power (it is the nature of capitalism to compete), and therefore the forms of property they promote will tend towards narrow ownership of previously unregulated aspects of our lives.  Just as wealthy individuals have been able to create forms of property in land--such as an asset protection trust--which guards wealth via form (property) not equity (contract), so too can corporations promote property forms which tighten their grip over certain forms of information.  Given the protections afforded property by the Constitution, we should probably ask twice before conveying such power to entities.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go a step further on the distinction between contract and property:</p>

<p>Property law is often criticized for imposing forms of ownership which perpetuate hierarchy.  Given that DRM and music copyrights are generally held by corporations, this raises another concern.  Where corporations control both the contractual relationship with artists (or software engineers) and the property forms with consumers, they are able to perpetuate a system of governance which re-distributes wealth to their bottom line.  All corporations strive towards monopoly power (it is the nature of capitalism to compete), and therefore the forms of property they promote will tend towards narrow ownership of previously unregulated aspects of our lives.  Just as wealthy individuals have been able to create forms of property in land&#8211;such as an asset protection trust&#8211;which guards wealth via form (property) not equity (contract), so too can corporations promote property forms which tighten their grip over certain forms of information.  Given the protections afforded property by the Constitution, we should probably ask twice before conveying such power to entities.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-50641</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 03:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congrats to your sister, Cord!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to your sister, Cord!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: cordblomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-50640</link>
		<dc:creator>cordblomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey everyone.  I just got a chance to catch up on some of the heated TLF action that has occurred over the past few days.  I&#039;ve been on the phone for hours after work today because my sister is having a baby boy today!  I&#039;m also heading home to Wisconsin to become the godfather of my other sister&#039;s baby boy who was born two months ago.  I&#039;m quickly becoming the old maid of the family.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, I want to prepare a thoughtful response to Tim&#039;s post and as many of the comments as I can cover.  I&#039;ll post either at &lt;a href=&quot;http://openmarket.org&quot;&gt;openmarket.org&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://cordblomquist.com&quot;&gt;cordblomquist.com&lt;/a&gt;, my personal site.  Either way, I&#039;ll let Tim know when I&#039;ve posted and hopefully we can continue our discussion next week after my weekend with new nephews is over.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everyone.  I just got a chance to catch up on some of the heated TLF action that has occurred over the past few days.  I&#8217;ve been on the phone for hours after work today because my sister is having a baby boy today!  I&#8217;m also heading home to Wisconsin to become the godfather of my other sister&#8217;s baby boy who was born two months ago.  I&#8217;m quickly becoming the old maid of the family.<br /><br />Anyway, I want to prepare a thoughtful response to Tim&#8217;s post and as many of the comments as I can cover.  I&#8217;ll post either at <a href="http://openmarket.org">openmarket.org</a> or <a href="http://cordblomquist.com">cordblomquist.com</a>, my personal site.  Either way, I&#8217;ll let Tim know when I&#8217;ve posted and hopefully we can continue our discussion next week after my weekend with new nephews is over.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-38209</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 02:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Congrats to your sister, Cord!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to your sister, Cord!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Cord Blomquist</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-38208</link>
		<dc:creator>Cord Blomquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey everyone.  I just got a chance to catch up on some of the heated TLF action that has occurred over the past few days.  I&#039;ve been on the phone for hours after work today because my sister is having a baby boy today!  I&#039;m also heading home to Wisconsin to become the godfather of my other sister&#039;s baby boy who was born two months ago.  I&#039;m quickly becoming the old maid of the family.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Anyway, I want to prepare a thoughtful response to Tim&#039;s post and as many of the comments as I can cover.  I&#039;ll post either at openmarket.org or cordblomquist.com, my personal site.  Either way, I&#039;ll let Tim know when I&#039;ve posted and hopefully we can continue our discussion next week after my weekend with new nephews is over.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey everyone.  I just got a chance to catch up on some of the heated TLF action that has occurred over the past few days.  I&#8217;ve been on the phone for hours after work today because my sister is having a baby boy today!  I&#8217;m also heading home to Wisconsin to become the godfather of my other sister&#8217;s baby boy who was born two months ago.  I&#8217;m quickly becoming the old maid of the family.</p>

<p>Anyway, I want to prepare a thoughtful response to Tim&#8217;s post and as many of the comments as I can cover.  I&#8217;ll post either at openmarket.org or cordblomquist.com, my personal site.  Either way, I&#8217;ll let Tim know when I&#8217;ve posted and hopefully we can continue our discussion next week after my weekend with new nephews is over.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: eee_eff</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-50639</link>
		<dc:creator>eee_eff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IANAL, but the term I had heard was &quot;attach&quot; which is similar to a lien, but with regard to personal property.  Not used very often.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is a whole category of contracts which cannot be enforced.  Society makes rules defining what are the terms of a sale of a car for example, which has the goal of preventing deep pocketed legally sophisticated entities taking advantage of those in an inferior bargaining position.  Each time we do this, we have to weigh the plus&#039;s and minus&#039;s.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In any case, those laws, such as the DMCA, which delete basic freedoms, such as the First Amendment, have a particularly high hurdle.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, I can support lemon laws for example that proscribe terms under which a car is sold to a consumer, but I can not abide by the erasure of the Frist Amendment, which I would suggest is in a special, prefered position.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First is, well, First.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL, but the term I had heard was &#8220;attach&#8221; which is similar to a lien, but with regard to personal property.  Not used very often.<br /><br />There is a whole category of contracts which cannot be enforced.  Society makes rules defining what are the terms of a sale of a car for example, which has the goal of preventing deep pocketed legally sophisticated entities taking advantage of those in an inferior bargaining position.  Each time we do this, we have to weigh the plus&#8217;s and minus&#8217;s.<br /><br />In any case, those laws, such as the DMCA, which delete basic freedoms, such as the First Amendment, have a particularly high hurdle.<br /><br />So, I can support lemon laws for example that proscribe terms under which a car is sold to a consumer, but I can not abide by the erasure of the Frist Amendment, which I would suggest is in a special, prefered position.<br /><br />First is, well, First.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: enigma_foundry</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-38207</link>
		<dc:creator>enigma_foundry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 00:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;IANAL, but the term I had heard was &quot;attach&quot; which is similar to a lien, but with regard to personal property.  Not used very often.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There is a whole category of contracts which cannot be enforced.  Society makes rules defining what are the terms of a sale of a car for example, which has the goal of preventing deep pocketed legally sophisticated entities taking advantage of those in an inferior bargaining position.  Each time we do this, we have to weigh the plus&#039;s and minus&#039;s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In any case, those laws, such as the DMCA, which delete basic freedoms, such as the First Amendment, have a particularly high hurdle.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, I can support lemon laws for example that proscribe terms under which a car is sold to a consumer, but I can not abide by the erasure of the Frist Amendment, which I would suggest is in a special, prefered position.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;First is, well, First.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IANAL, but the term I had heard was &#8220;attach&#8221; which is similar to a lien, but with regard to personal property.  Not used very often.</p>

<p>There is a whole category of contracts which cannot be enforced.  Society makes rules defining what are the terms of a sale of a car for example, which has the goal of preventing deep pocketed legally sophisticated entities taking advantage of those in an inferior bargaining position.  Each time we do this, we have to weigh the plus&#8217;s and minus&#8217;s.</p>

<p>In any case, those laws, such as the DMCA, which delete basic freedoms, such as the First Amendment, have a particularly high hurdle.</p>

<p>So, I can support lemon laws for example that proscribe terms under which a car is sold to a consumer, but I can not abide by the erasure of the Frist Amendment, which I would suggest is in a special, prefered position.</p>

<p>First is, well, First.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-50638</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Copyright isn&#039;t a contract.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;A contract is a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Abolish copyright law and we&#039;ll see just how many people will voluntarily prefer buying art from artists that require the signing of a contract that precludes, copying, public performance, or the production of derivative works.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;To say that copyright law is a convenience for the benefit of the majority of people who would &lt;em&gt;obviously&lt;/em&gt; prefer to make such contracts automatic is grievously disingenuous.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright isn&#8217;t a contract.<br /></p>

<p><br />A contract is a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.<br /></p>

<p><br />Abolish copyright law and we&#8217;ll see just how many people will voluntarily prefer buying art from artists that require the signing of a contract that precludes, copying, public performance, or the production of derivative works.<br /></p>

<p><br />To say that copyright law is a convenience for the benefit of the majority of people who would <em>obviously</em> prefer to make such contracts automatic is grievously disingenuous.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/05/07/property-contract-and-drm/comment-page-1/#comment-38206</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Copyright isn&#039;t a contract.
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
A contract is a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
Abolish copyright law and we&#039;ll see just how many people will voluntarily prefer buying art from artists that require the signing of a contract that precludes, copying, public performance, or the production of derivative works.
&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;
To say that copyright law is a convenience for the benefit of the majority of people who would &lt;em&gt;obviously&lt;/em&gt; prefer to make such contracts automatic is grievously disingenuous.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copyright isn&#8217;t a contract.
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<p>
A contract is a VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT.
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Abolish copyright law and we&#8217;ll see just how many people will voluntarily prefer buying art from artists that require the signing of a contract that precludes, copying, public performance, or the production of derivative works.
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To say that copyright law is a convenience for the benefit of the majority of people who would <em>obviously</em> prefer to make such contracts automatic is grievously disingenuous.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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