Tony Healy on GPL3 and ASP Platforms

by on April 24, 2007 · 34 comments

From IPcentral.info…

Tony Healy, programmer and Senior Fellow of the Institute for Policy Innovation, has commented before on issues involving the GPL, and particularly on ASPs. (See, e.g., GPLv3 and Web Businesses Is the Free Software Foundation Getting Tricky?)

He sends the following commentary on the ASP issue and the latest draft of GPLv3:

FSF betrays its followers with GPL v3
By Tony Healy — April 23, 2007
Amid the smoke and confusion around GPL v3, one thing is clear. The Free Software Foundation has wimped out of its intention to close the ASP loophole, thus betraying its programmer supporters.

The guiding principle of open source is that users return any improvements to the community. In fact, that’s about the only benefit the GPL does provide to programmers. Yet, as is well known, Google, Amazon and others run enormous businesses on Linux and other open source software, without returning any of their valuable software technology to the community. In the case of Google, that includes a dedicated high performance file system, and its valuable search technology. This failure to honour the open source deal has irked astute programmers, including Stallman himself, to the extent that closing the ASP loophole was originally an important goal for GPL v3, as discussed in my PFF piece of Feb 2006. Billion dollar businesses like Google obviously opposed a change like this. For all their blustering and their open source programming competitions, they are corporations that protect their own intellectual property, just as Microsoft, Disney and Viacom do. The last thing they wanted was to be forced to return their valuable technology to the community and competitors. Google manager’s of Open Source Programs, Chris DiBona, revealed that the company had programs in place to quarantine their code from GPL v3 if necessary. Sure enough, the FSF has indeed backed down and will retain the ASP loophole. In doing so, they effectively create two classes of open source users – large corporate web service companies, who are exempt from the requirement to disclose their improvements, and individual programmers, who aren’t. Some in the open source community understand the significance of this backdown. For example, Bryan Richards, editorial director of Linux Magazine, points out:
The future is networked. The GPL isn’t. … with the this latest draft of the GPL3, the Free Software Foundation may have served up a license that best represents the software of 1989 and have transformed a loophole into a tunnel you can drive a truck through.
Matt Asay:
I never would have thought RMS and Eben would capitulate….I was wrong.
Fabrizio Capobianco:
That means 75% of the future software (which is going to be SaaS) could be offered by leeches, that suck the soul of open source for their pure benefit. They make money, while others work for them for free, to make them rich. Rich without returning anything that could benefit the community of whom they are parasites.
To save face, Stallman and the FSF pretend a different licence, Affero, will close the loophole, but that’s dodging the issue. The fact is that the major revision of the GPL won’t do this. The Affero licence is irrelevant because most GPL developers won’t use it. More importantly, a separate licence can easily by targeted and blacklisted by corporate users such as Google to discourage its use. The FSF’s Brett Smith inadvertently refers to this:
People who want to avoid code with this requirement can just blacklist the AGPL (Affero), and not have to worry about a list of additional requirements.
Other rationalisations by the FSF are equally specious. For example, Smith even tries to blame inelegant wording. This backdown represents the inevitable, and sad, second stage in the corrupting of an ideal. The first was the widespread hypocrisy of corporations such as IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work. Lawyers were also in on this act. The second is the FSF endorsing a flagrant breach of the spirit of GPL-style open source, to the benefit of powerful corporates. The backdown by the FSF highlights the poor long term prospects of ideologies that deny the value of intellectual property rights. Free culturists tend not to understand the motivations of IP promoters. It is simply that IP protects creators against being exploited.

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  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    This backdown represents the inevitable, and sad, second stage in the corrupting of an ideal. The first was the widespread hypocrisy of corporations such as IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work. Lawyers were also in on this act.

    Huh? I don’t think the free software movement has ever objected to programmers charging for their time and expertise. In fact, a lot of free software developers make a living on precisely that model: create a useful free software tool and then charge companies for their expertise in deploying and supporting it.

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    This backdown represents the inevitable, and sad, second stage in the corrupting of an ideal. The first was the widespread hypocrisy of corporations such as IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work. Lawyers were also in on this act.

    Huh? I don’t think the free software movement has ever objected to programmers charging for their time and expertise. In fact, a lot of free software developers make a living on precisely that model: create a useful free software tool and then charge companies for their expertise in deploying and supporting it.

  • Doug Lay

    The GPL-bashers are a real laugh-riot. On the one hand, they make dark noises about how Stallman and Moglen are planning to eliminate all possibility of commercial and free software working together. Then, when Stallman and Moglen end up compromising – as they have done many times in the past and will continue to do in the future – they cry that the FSF has sold out its ideals and its programmers.

    Bah. If any of the millions of programmers working on free and open-source projects cared a whit about what the likes of Tony Healy think, there wouldn’ be any such projects in existence. fortunately for all of us, these folks could care less about any “advice” Mr. Healy has to offer.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Here’s the problem right here: “Permission is granted to reproduce this piece in its entirety, as long as credit is given to the author and to IPCentral.Info” They’ve become infected with hippie sharing ideology. Why aren’t these essays released in some kind of restricted pay-per-read format?

  • http://www.pff.org Noel

    Doni, because that would impinge on the “four freedoms” of the proletariats and the Dear Leader.

  • Doug Lay

    The GPL-bashers are a real laugh-riot. On the one hand, they make dark noises about how Stallman and Moglen are planning to eliminate all possibility of commercial and free software working together. Then, when Stallman and Moglen end up compromising – as they have done many times in the past and will continue to do in the future – they cry that the FSF has sold out its ideals and its programmers.

    Bah. If any of the millions of programmers working on free and open-source projects cared a whit about what the likes of Tony Healy think, there wouldn’ be any such projects in existence. fortunately for all of us, these folks could care less about any “advice” Mr. Healy has to offer.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Here’s the problem right here: “Permission is granted to reproduce this piece in its entirety, as long as credit is given to the author and to IPCentral.Info” They’ve become infected with hippie sharing ideology. Why aren’t these essays released in some kind of restricted pay-per-read format?

  • http://www.pff.org Noel

    Doni, because that would impinge on the “four freedoms” of the proletariats and the Dear Leader.

  • http://www.limnthis.com Jim S

    “..IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work.”

    Wait, now even charging for consulting is wrong? And how did all this stuff end up being a moral question anyway? If you don’t care what people do with it use Apache, if you do, use GPL. If you care even more, write your own license. In the meantime, if the farmer I buy my dinner from isn’t working for free I’m not either.

    I’m basically on the side of openness begets value for the open, but at some point you have to charge for something or everyone’s either on the dole or putting adverts in the comments of their code.

  • http://www.limnthis.com Jim S

    “..IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work.”

    Wait, now even charging for consulting is wrong? And how did all this stuff end up being a moral question anyway? If you don’t care what people do with it use Apache, if you do, use GPL. If you care even more, write your own license. In the meantime, if the farmer I buy my dinner from isn’t working for free I’m not either.

    I’m basically on the side of openness begets value for the open, but at some point you have to charge for something or everyone’s either on the dole or putting adverts in the comments of their code.

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/ enigma_foundry

    Permission is granted to reproduce this piece in its entirety, as long as credit is given to the author and to IPCentral.Info

    ROFL, Solveig, is there an idea hiding in there…

    Well there is this stupid meme that everyone at IP Central keeps repeating, even though they haven’t a shred of a fact to back up this silly assertion.

    This backdown represents the inevitable, and sad, second stage in the corrupting of an ideal. The first was the widespread hypocrisy of corporations such as IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work. Lawyers were also in on this act.

    Just saw Stallman last night at a talk he gave at University of Missouri, Saint Louis, and he emphatically does not think that any programmer should work for free. He never said any such thing.

    IBM does not think so either. As near as I can tell IBM postion is that Open Source (the are in the open source, not free software camp) is a superior method of organizing software work for narrow technical reasons..

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Stallman was at UMSL? Crap, I missed it!

  • http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com eee_eff

    Permission is granted to reproduce this piece in its entirety, as long as credit is given to the author and to IPCentral.Info

    ROFL, Solveig, is there an idea hiding in there…

    Well there is this stupid meme that everyone at IP Central keeps repeating, even though they haven’t a shred of a fact to back up this silly assertion.

    This backdown represents the inevitable, and sad, second stage in the corrupting of an ideal. The first was the widespread hypocrisy of corporations such as IBM who prattled on about the virtue of programmers donating their work, while meanwhile charging a fortune for their own consulting time using that work. Lawyers were also in on this act.

    Just saw Stallman last night at a talk he gave at University of Missouri, Saint Louis, and he emphatically does not think that any programmer should work for free. He never said any such thing.

    IBM does not think so either. As near as I can tell IBM postion is that Open Source (the are in the open source, not free software camp) is a superior method of organizing software work for narrow technical reasons..

  • http://www.techliberation.com/ Tim Lee

    Stallman was at UMSL? Crap, I missed it!

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel

    Yes, Enigma, yet IBM has been the patenting leader in the industry for years. The difference between IBM’s proprietary and FOSS-services business divisions is not the holy ground they walk on, but shifts in the value chain. I know its boring, not alluring and not revolutionary. Sorry:)

    Tony’s point above has been obvious to many of us: FOSS firms will tout freedom and free when it serves them, but economic appropriation has always been part of the game. So, who loses when IBM prattles about freedom and FOSS? Well, its programmers who think that IBM really means what it says while its making money off their work. I wonder if IBM service consultants say a prayer for the four freedoms each time they charge clients, before laughing all the way to the bank.

    With regard to Google, Tony brings up a fascinating picture. Recall that the FSF opposed the MSFT-Novell pact because it supposedly created two classes of FOSS users. But thats exactly what the FSF has done with its slackness around the ASP loophole. Apparently, Stallman is willing to make concessions when you’re a big guy like Google, while he bullies individual programmers.

  • http://weblog.ipcentral.info/ Noel

    Yes, Enigma, yet IBM has been the patenting leader in the industry for years. The difference between IBM’s proprietary and FOSS-services business divisions is not the holy ground they walk on, but shifts in the value chain. I know its boring, not alluring and not revolutionary. Sorry:)

    Tony’s point above has been obvious to many of us: FOSS firms will tout freedom and free when it serves them, but economic appropriation has always been part of the game. So, who loses when IBM prattles about freedom and FOSS? Well, its programmers who think that IBM really means what it says while its making money off their work. I wonder if IBM service consultants say a prayer for the four freedoms each time they charge clients, before laughing all the way to the bank.

    With regard to Google, Tony brings up a fascinating picture. Recall that the FSF opposed the MSFT-Novell pact because it supposedly created two classes of FOSS users. But thats exactly what the FSF has done with its slackness around the ASP loophole. Apparently, Stallman is willing to make concessions when you’re a big guy like Google, while he bullies individual programmers.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Noel, a lot of open source development happens “on the clock”, so having Red Hat, MySQL, Google, IBM, Intel, and other companies on board with the new license makes it easier for GPL-using projects to get contributions from their employees. The license people at FSF certainly realize that much of the good work on the GNU compilers is happening on company time, for example.

    The Affero GPL version 1, which has ASP language, has existed since 2002. If there were many individual programmers interested in closing the ASP loophole, we’d have seen more projects using it. But we haven’t. The ASP issue seems to matter more to people who talk about software than to people who do it.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Noel, a lot of open source development happens “on the clock”, so having Red Hat, MySQL, Google, IBM, Intel, and other companies on board with the new license makes it easier for GPL-using projects to get contributions from their employees. The license people at FSF certainly realize that much of the good work on the GNU compilers is happening on company time, for example.

    The Affero GPL version 1, which has ASP language, has existed since 2002. If there were many individual programmers interested in closing the ASP loophole, we’d have seen more projects using it. But we haven’t. The ASP issue seems to matter more to people who talk about software than to people who do it.

  • Doug Lay

    Let’s see, differences between the big guys at Google and the individual programmers at Microsoft…

    Google funds the Summer of Code. Microsoft funds the likes Tony Healy and Noel Le. Advantage, Google.

  • Doug Lay

    Let’s see, differences between the big guys at Google and the individual programmers at Microsoft…

    Google funds the Summer of Code. Microsoft funds the likes Tony Healy and Noel Le. Advantage, Google.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    Wait, MS funds Noel? Linkage on that?

  • http://www.pff.org Noel

    Doug, I was talking about individual programmers who give away their work and have big companies make money off of it. The FSF is dedicated to preserving that servitude.

    No Luis, I don’t get a check from MSFT.

  • http://tieguy.org/blog/ Luis Villa

    Wait, MS funds Noel? Linkage on that?

  • http://www.pff.org Noel

    Doug, I was talking about individual programmers who give away their work and have big companies make money off of it. The FSF is dedicated to preserving that servitude.

    No Luis, I don’t get a check from MSFT.

  • Doug Lay
  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    The GPL facilitates a gift economy, but it doesn’t mandate it. For the moment it enforces reciprocation is the moment gifts can no longer be given.

    The ‘free’ in ‘free software’ is about restoring liberty to purchasers of GPL licensed works – to use, modify, study, share the software they’ve purchased – that is otherwise suspended by copyright and patent law.

    This applies just as much to GPL licensed ASP software. If you buy a copy (or are given a copy) then your liberty is restored.

    The ‘ASP loophole’ was and is a red herring.

    Liberty is delimited by privacy. Permitting public use of private intellectual property is not the same as publication.

    The GPL remains a liberty restoration license (nullification of copyright and patent).

    The Affero license is to be used if you require compulsory reciprocation – by on-demand disclosure of private modifications (upon public exploitation).

    The Affero license is ethically delinquent.

  • Doug Lay
  • http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk Crosbie Fitch

    The GPL facilitates a gift economy, but it doesn’t mandate it. For the moment it enforces reciprocation is the moment gifts can no longer be given.


    The ‘free’ in ‘free software’ is about restoring liberty to purchasers of GPL licensed works – to use, modify, study, share the software they’ve purchased – that is otherwise suspended by copyright and patent law.


    This applies just as much to GPL licensed ASP software. If you buy a copy (or are given a copy) then your liberty is restored.


    The ‘ASP loophole’ was and is a red herring.


    Liberty is delimited by privacy. Permitting public use of private intellectual property is not the same as publication.


    The GPL remains a liberty restoration license (nullification of copyright and patent).


    The Affero license is to be used if you require compulsory reciprocation – by on-demand disclosure of private modifications (upon public exploitation).


    The Affero license is ethically delinquent.

  • Tony Healy

    The people who benefit from this wimpout by the FSF are corporate interests. Have a read of what Bryan Richards, Matt Asay and Fabrizio Capobianco say in the links above.

    Noel, good description of my points. Thanks.

  • Tony Healy

    The people who benefit from this wimpout by the FSF are corporate interests. Have a read of what Bryan Richards, Matt Asay and Fabrizio Capobianco say in the links above.

    Noel, good description of my points. Thanks.












  • Doug Lay

    Tony’s agent provocateur pose is pitiful. What he calls a “wimpout” is what most of use would call “compromise”, and it reflects the way the world works, most of the time. Stallman, the FSF, and the GPL would not ever have become as successful as they are without a good deal of compromising.

    Corporations do benefit from open source code. So what’s wrong with that? Customers end up benefitting as well, when money that would have been spent on expensive software licenses gets spent instead on developing innovative products and delivering them cheaply. And the bst corporations (Google, IBM) DO give back to the community (support for Mozilla and Linux, respectively). Corporations like Microsoft that just take – well, those are poster children for why GPL is often a better license than BSD.

    As for the complaints by Asay et. al., well, life is full of dsappointments. Wake me up when any of the aforementioned renounces open source and goes to work for Microsoft.

  • Doug Lay

    Tony’s agent provocateur pose is pitiful. What he calls a “wimpout” is what most of use would call “compromise”, and it reflects the way the world works, most of the time. Stallman, the FSF, and the GPL would not ever have become as successful as they are without a good deal of compromising.

    Corporations do benefit from open source code. So what’s wrong with that? Customers end up benefitting as well, when money that would have been spent on expensive software licenses gets spent instead on developing innovative products and delivering them cheaply. And the bst corporations (Google, IBM) DO give back to the community (support for Mozilla and Linux, respectively). Corporations like Microsoft that just take – well, those are poster children for why GPL is often a better license than BSD.

    As for the complaints by Asay et. al., well, life is full of dsappointments. Wake me up when any of the aforementioned renounces open source and goes to work for Microsoft.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Noel, Tony, why don’t those programmers use the existing Affero GPL instead of accepting “servitude”? The Affero GPL has been out since 2002, so there has been plenty of time for new projects to consider it.

  • http://linuxworld.com/community/ Don Marti

    Noel, Tony, why don’t those programmers use the existing Affero GPL instead of accepting “servitude”? The Affero GPL has been out since 2002, so there has been plenty of time for new projects to consider it.

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