Comments on: James V. Delong on GPL3, Again. http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51259 Noel Le Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:13:03 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51259 <p>Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?<br><br>Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don't be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS' commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.</p> Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?

Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don’t be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS’ commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37811 Noel Le Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:13:03 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37811 <p>Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?</p> <p>Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don't be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS' commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.</p> Mr. Enigma, I have no doubt that FOSS is here to stay, but what about growth?

Sure, IBM and Oracle support FOSS, but don’t be so blind as to think its for anything other than commercial reasons. FOSS’ commercial growth is clearly not a priority of the FSF.

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51258 eee_eff Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:17:31 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51258 <p><i>despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.</i><br><br>Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.<br><br>GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP...</p> despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.

GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP…

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37810 enigma_foundry Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:17:31 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37810 <p><i>despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.</i></p> <p>Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.</p> <p>GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP...</p> despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

Noel: saying something again and again does not make it so.

GPL software is here to stay, just look at Oracle, IBM. Not to mention Redhat. & LAMP…

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51257 Noel Le Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:19:21 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51257 <p>...and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that "some innovations might not happen" simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman's four freedoms.</p> …and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that “some innovations might not happen” simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman’s four freedoms.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51256 Noel Le Mon, 02 Apr 2007 20:14:30 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51256 <p>Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you've read this board enough, you'd see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.<br><br>Hail to the proletariat!</p> Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you’ve read this board enough, you’d see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

Hail to the proletariat!

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37809 Noel Le Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:19:21 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37809 <p>...and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that "some innovations might not happen" simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman's four freedoms.</p> …and its also strange that some free software fans romantically lament that “some innovations might not happen” simply because various circumvention tools or P2P technologies are not given free reign; when they would deter a much larger scale of innovation simply for Stallman’s four freedoms.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37808 Noel Le Mon, 02 Apr 2007 19:14:30 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37808 <p>Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you've read this board enough, you'd see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.</p> <p>Hail to the proletariat!</p> Obviously, free software fans like unclarity that would only decided by one Richard Stallman. Every jump of logic in their movement is glossed over as part of a revolution. And if you’ve read this board enough, you’d see that free software fans declare every innovation obvious and simple, despite the limited success of free software; which looks even bleaker now moving forward.

Hail to the proletariat!

]]> By: Don Marti http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51255 Don Marti Mon, 02 Apr 2007 18:39:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51255 <p>This sounds like "I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn't have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key."<br><br>Why should a "community" offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author's intent? Sounds like "inducement" -- the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.</p> This sounds like “I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn’t have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key.”

Why should a “community” offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author’s intent? Sounds like “inducement” — the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.

]]> By: Don Marti http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37807 Don Marti Mon, 02 Apr 2007 17:39:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37807 <p>This sounds like "I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn't have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key."</p> <p>Why should a "community" offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author's intent? Sounds like "inducement" -- the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.</p> This sounds like “I checked the Microsoft knowledge base, and it didn’t have an entry for how to install two copies of Windows with the same key.”

Why should a “community” offer help for using software in a way contrary to the author’s intent? Sounds like “inducement” — the kind of thing that will get you kicked off the Tivo boards.

]]> By: Crosbie Fitch http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-51254 Crosbie Fitch Mon, 02 Apr 2007 16:29:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-51254 <blockquote>"What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,..."</blockquote> <p><br></p> <p><br>It's not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code.<br></p> <p><br>It's a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one's modifications), but doesn't oblige it (you don't have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want).<br></p> <p><br>The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one's modifications free of charge.</p> “What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,…”



It’s not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code.


It’s a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one’s modifications), but doesn’t oblige it (you don’t have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want).


The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one’s modifications free of charge.

]]> By: Crosbie Fitch http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/comment-page-1/#comment-37806 Crosbie Fitch Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:29:55 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/04/02/james-v-delong-on-gpl3-again/#comment-37806 <blockquote>"What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,..."</blockquote> <p> It's not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code. </p> <p> It's a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one's modifications), but doesn't oblige it (you don't have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want). </p> <p> The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one's modifications free of charge.</p> “What will finally happen on the web services issue, which was punted pending the revision of a license controlled by an outside party,…”

It’s not really punted. The 3rd draft of GPLv3 permits LINKAGE with Affero v2 code. So, whether the latter license (when it arrives) requires sacrifice of your first born or not, users of the GPLv3 will be unaffected. The assumption is that although Affero is a distinct license it has a degree of affinity with the GPL that it should be permitted to at least link code.

It’s a subtle but significant difference. The GPL permits and encourages a gift economy (in terms of publishing one’s modifications), but doesn’t oblige it (you don’t have to publish your mods, and you can commercially exploit or sell them if you want).

The Affero makes the gift compulsory, by requiring the publication of one’s modifications free of charge.

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