Comments on: The Cathedral and the Blogosphere http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Fri, 25 May 2012 18:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-37394 enigma_foundry Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:02:53 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-37394 <p>"Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation."</p> <p>No. What will happen is that there will come into existence NFP print newspapers. They will have endowments, and they will have several advantages:</p> <ol> <li>Perceived neutrality.</li> <li>Not having to make money from their sales.</li> <li>Tax advantages of being a NFP</li> <li>Being a NFP in the 2010's, when the baby boomers retire, and start donating to charities, will be a right time/right place happy accident.</li> </ol> <p>Just wait for someone like George Soros to get it started.</p> <p>In fact, the websites Media Matters and Moveon.org could be the nascent beginnings...</p> “Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.”

No. What will happen is that there will come into existence NFP print newspapers. They will have endowments, and they will have several advantages:

  1. Perceived neutrality.
  2. Not having to make money from their sales.
  3. Tax advantages of being a NFP
  4. Being a NFP in the 2010′s, when the baby boomers retire, and start donating to charities, will be a right time/right place happy accident.

Just wait for someone like George Soros to get it started.

In fact, the websites Media Matters and Moveon.org could be the nascent beginnings…

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-49768 eee_eff Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:02:53 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-49768 <p>"Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation."<br><br>No. What will happen is that there will come into existence NFP print newspapers. They will have endowments, and they will have several advantages:<br><br>1. Perceived neutrality.<br>2. Not having to make money from their sales.<br>3. Tax advantages of being a NFP<br>4. Being a NFP in the 2010's, when the baby boomers retire, and start donating to charities, will be a right time/right place happy accident.<br><br>Just wait for someone like George Soros to get it started.<br><br>In fact, the websites Media Matters and <a href="http://Moveon.org">Moveon.org</a> could be the nascent beginnings...</p> “Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.”

No. What will happen is that there will come into existence NFP print newspapers. They will have endowments, and they will have several advantages:

1. Perceived neutrality.
2. Not having to make money from their sales.
3. Tax advantages of being a NFP
4. Being a NFP in the 2010′s, when the baby boomers retire, and start donating to charities, will be a right time/right place happy accident.

Just wait for someone like George Soros to get it started.

In fact, the websites Media Matters and Moveon.org could be the nascent beginnings…

]]> By: Ned Ulbricht http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-37393 Ned Ulbricht Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:17:35 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-37393 <blockquote><i>One of the weaknesses of newspapers is that I have to buy the entire newspaper, which comes bundled with the work of dozens of different writers.</i></blockquote> <p>Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.</p> <p>I'm unlikely to ever subscribe to Times Select.</p> <p>But I'd be strongly tempted to subscribe to a package of what is today at least 200 major news outlets: Two or three flagship “global” news outfits, a few more “national” publications, plus print and video from all 50 state capitals and at least 50 national capitals in the developed world. Add in to that mix 10 or 20 magazines, and some short fiction, and you've got something I'd pay for even though I'd probably read less than one-hundredth of one per cent of it.</p> <p>A few major newspapers in partnership with the wire services almost have the scale to bring something like this off. But they really seem stuck in the teletype age—still losing ground to their bitter enemies from the upstart TV competition.</p> One of the weaknesses of newspapers is that I have to buy the entire newspaper, which comes bundled with the work of dozens of different writers.

Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.

I’m unlikely to ever subscribe to Times Select.

But I’d be strongly tempted to subscribe to a package of what is today at least 200 major news outlets: Two or three flagship “global” news outfits, a few more “national” publications, plus print and video from all 50 state capitals and at least 50 national capitals in the developed world. Add in to that mix 10 or 20 magazines, and some short fiction, and you’ve got something I’d pay for even though I’d probably read less than one-hundredth of one per cent of it.

A few major newspapers in partnership with the wire services almost have the scale to bring something like this off. But they really seem stuck in the teletype age—still losing ground to their bitter enemies from the upstart TV competition.

]]> By: Ned Ulbricht http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-49767 Ned Ulbricht Sun, 04 Mar 2007 13:17:35 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-49767 <blockquote><i>One of the weaknesses of newspapers is that I have to buy the entire newspaper, which comes bundled with the work of dozens of different writers.</i></blockquote> <p><br></p> <p>Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.</p> <p><br></p> <p>I'm unlikely to ever subscribe to Times Select.</p> <p><br></p> <p>But I'd be strongly tempted to subscribe to a package of what is today at least 200 major news outlets: Two or three flagship “global” news outfits, a few more “national” publications, plus print and video from all 50 state capitals and at least 50 national capitals in the developed world. Add in to that mix 10 or 20 magazines, and some short fiction, and you've got something I'd pay for even though I'd probably read less than one-hundredth of one per cent of it.</p> <p><br></p> <p>A few major newspapers in partnership with the wire services almost have the scale to bring something like this off. But they really seem stuck in the teletype age—still losing ground to their bitter enemies from the upstart TV competition.</p> One of the weaknesses of newspapers is that I have to buy the entire newspaper, which comes bundled with the work of dozens of different writers.


Actually, if subscription revenues are to survive at all, then imho news organizations need greater consolidation.


I’m unlikely to ever subscribe to Times Select.


But I’d be strongly tempted to subscribe to a package of what is today at least 200 major news outlets: Two or three flagship “global” news outfits, a few more “national” publications, plus print and video from all 50 state capitals and at least 50 national capitals in the developed world. Add in to that mix 10 or 20 magazines, and some short fiction, and you’ve got something I’d pay for even though I’d probably read less than one-hundredth of one per cent of it.


A few major newspapers in partnership with the wire services almost have the scale to bring something like this off. But they really seem stuck in the teletype age—still losing ground to their bitter enemies from the upstart TV competition.

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-37392 Seth Finkelstein Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:53:17 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-37392 <p>"The premise seems to be that in-depth, civic-minded journalism is something that everybody needs but but no one wants to pay for, and so therefore we need large, bureaucratic organizations like the New York Times to subsidize these activities out of a sense of corporate noblesse oblige."</p> <p>Yes. You got it (modulo the sneering). That's exactly right.</p> <p>By which I mean "you both understand the premise" and "it's factually correct".</p> <p>Everything after that is unfalsifiable fantasy.</p> <p>[Sorry Tim, apologies for being a skeleton at the feast, I shouldn't do this stuff, I've been following the Wikipedia editor fraud story and raging against entropy again, bad habit]</p> “The premise seems to be that in-depth, civic-minded journalism is something that everybody needs but but no one wants to pay for, and so therefore we need large, bureaucratic organizations like the New York Times to subsidize these activities out of a sense of corporate noblesse oblige.”

Yes. You got it (modulo the sneering). That’s exactly right.

By which I mean “you both understand the premise” and “it’s factually correct”.

Everything after that is unfalsifiable fantasy.

[Sorry Tim, apologies for being a skeleton at the feast, I shouldn't do this stuff, I've been following the Wikipedia editor fraud story and raging against entropy again, bad habit]

]]> By: Seth Finkelstein http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/comment-page-1/#comment-49766 Seth Finkelstein Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:53:17 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/03/02/the-cathedral-and-the-blogosphere/#comment-49766 <p>"The premise seems to be that in-depth, civic-minded journalism is something that everybody needs but but no one wants to pay for, and so therefore we need large, bureaucratic organizations like the New York Times to subsidize these activities out of a sense of corporate noblesse oblige."<br><br>Yes. You got it (modulo the sneering). That's exactly right.<br><br>By which I mean "you both understand the premise" and "it's factually correct".<br><br>Everything after that is unfalsifiable fantasy.<br><br>[Sorry Tim, apologies for being a skeleton at the feast, I shouldn't do this stuff, I've been following the Wikipedia editor fraud story and raging against entropy again, bad habit]</p> “The premise seems to be that in-depth, civic-minded journalism is something that everybody needs but but no one wants to pay for, and so therefore we need large, bureaucratic organizations like the New York Times to subsidize these activities out of a sense of corporate noblesse oblige.”

Yes. You got it (modulo the sneering). That’s exactly right.

By which I mean “you both understand the premise” and “it’s factually correct”.

Everything after that is unfalsifiable fantasy.

[Sorry Tim, apologies for being a skeleton at the feast, I shouldn't do this stuff, I've been following the Wikipedia editor fraud story and raging against entropy again, bad habit]

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