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	<title>Comments on: Do wireless tubes need to be neutral too?</title>
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		<title>By: Tim Wu</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-37145</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Two points.  First, I did have spectrum auctions on the mind when writing the paper, and in fact I do mention then, but not in depth, and  of course there is only so much ground you can cover in one paper.

Second, though i didn't have time to get into it, I consider some of the other "open access" regimes failures for various reasons -- first, crazy pricing ideas, second, lack of a truly separate market.  But the network / physical attachment is a proven divide, hence the proposal for cellular carterfone.

Getting network access rules right is very hard -- though if you get it right the results can be spectacular.  Ideally the separation happens without regulation (that's what happened with the internet, though not the phone networks).   As I said in the paper, ideally consumer and public pressure will move the mobile networks toward a more open posture;

It may however take enforcement of the actual Part 68 rules -- you'll see some of that coming up soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Two points.  First, I did have spectrum auctions on the mind when writing the paper, and in fact I do mention then, but not in depth, and  of course there is only so much ground you can cover in one paper.</p>
<p>Second, though i didn&#8217;t have time to get into it, I consider some of the other &#8220;open access&#8221; regimes failures for various reasons &#8212; first, crazy pricing ideas, second, lack of a truly separate market.  But the network / physical attachment is a proven divide, hence the proposal for cellular carterfone.</p>
<p>Getting network access rules right is very hard &#8212; though if you get it right the results can be spectacular.  Ideally the separation happens without regulation (that&#8217;s what happened with the internet, though not the phone networks).   As I said in the paper, ideally consumer and public pressure will move the mobile networks toward a more open posture;</p>
<p>It may however take enforcement of the actual Part 68 rules &#8212; you&#8217;ll see some of that coming up soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Wu</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-53500</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 07:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Two points.  First, I did have spectrum auctions on the mind when writing the paper, and in fact I do mention then, but not in depth, and  of course there is only so much ground you can cover in one paper.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, though i didn't have time to get into it, I consider some of the other "open access" regimes failures for various reasons -- first, crazy pricing ideas, second, lack of a truly separate market.  But the network / physical attachment is a proven divide, hence the proposal for cellular carterfone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Getting network access rules right is very hard -- though if you get it right the results can be spectacular.  Ideally the separation happens without regulation (that's what happened with the internet, though not the phone networks).   As I said in the paper, ideally consumer and public pressure will move the mobile networks toward a more open posture;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It may however take enforcement of the actual Part 68 rules -- you'll see some of that coming up soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Two points.  First, I did have spectrum auctions on the mind when writing the paper, and in fact I do mention then, but not in depth, and  of course there is only so much ground you can cover in one paper.</p>
<p>Second, though i didn&#8217;t have time to get into it, I consider some of the other &#8220;open access&#8221; regimes failures for various reasons &#8212; first, crazy pricing ideas, second, lack of a truly separate market.  But the network / physical attachment is a proven divide, hence the proposal for cellular carterfone.</p>
<p>Getting network access rules right is very hard &#8212; though if you get it right the results can be spectacular.  Ideally the separation happens without regulation (that&#8217;s what happened with the internet, though not the phone networks).   As I said in the paper, ideally consumer and public pressure will move the mobile networks toward a more open posture;</p>
<p>It may however take enforcement of the actual Part 68 rules &#8212; you&#8217;ll see some of that coming up soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon L</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-37144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment &#038; Question:

The continuing auctions of spectrum tends to scare me, mainly because an auction of a resource like that would logically only be won by the highest bidders.  The highest bidders also being the most well-funded corporations already in existence who want to protect their turf.

Now, the question part - I don't know how the auctions have gone in the past.  Have their been small, innovative start-up companies that do manage to get their hands on spectrum in the auctions?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment &#038; Question:</p>
<p>The continuing auctions of spectrum tends to scare me, mainly because an auction of a resource like that would logically only be won by the highest bidders.  The highest bidders also being the most well-funded corporations already in existence who want to protect their turf.</p>
<p>Now, the question part - I don&#8217;t know how the auctions have gone in the past.  Have their been small, innovative start-up companies that do manage to get their hands on spectrum in the auctions?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon L</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-53499</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment &#038; Question:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The continuing auctions of spectrum tends to scare me, mainly because an auction of a resource like that would logically only be won by the highest bidders.  The highest bidders also being the most well-funded corporations already in existence who want to protect their turf.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, the question part - I don't know how the auctions have gone in the past.  Have their been small, innovative start-up companies that do manage to get their hands on spectrum in the auctions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment &#038; Question:</p>
<p>The continuing auctions of spectrum tends to scare me, mainly because an auction of a resource like that would logically only be won by the highest bidders.  The highest bidders also being the most well-funded corporations already in existence who want to protect their turf.</p>
<p>Now, the question part - I don&#8217;t know how the auctions have gone in the past.  Have their been small, innovative start-up companies that do manage to get their hands on spectrum in the auctions?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Felten</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-37143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Felten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ed Felten</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/02/14/do-wireless-tubes-need-to-be-neutral-too/#comment-53498</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Felten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it's worth, I'm a reasonably happy CableCard customer.  Over the holidays we switched from the universally hated Motorola settop DVR box to the vastly superior Generation 3 Tivo.  The Tivo uses two CableCards (one for each of its two tuners), and they have worked flawlessly so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;m a reasonably happy CableCard customer.  Over the holidays we switched from the universally hated Motorola settop DVR box to the vastly superior Generation 3 Tivo.  The Tivo uses two CableCards (one for each of its two tuners), and they have worked flawlessly so far.</p>
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