Comments on: Tim Wu and Wireless Net Neutrality Regulation http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: qtn http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-37133 qtn Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:39:28 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-37133 <p>actually, he doesn't advocate "massive regulation." he doesn't assert centralized regulation as the solution. in my view he wants pressure to come from, and believes it can only come from, the consumer. in that sense he's not presuming 'ignorant consumer,' but inundated and way-too-busy-to-read-the-fine-lines-of-cell-plan consumer.</p> actually, he doesn’t advocate “massive regulation.” he doesn’t assert centralized regulation as the solution. in my view he wants pressure to come from, and believes it can only come from, the consumer. in that sense he’s not presuming ‘ignorant consumer,’ but inundated and way-too-busy-to-read-the-fine-lines-of-cell-plan consumer.

]]> By: qtn http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-53817 qtn Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:39:28 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-53817 <p>actually, he doesn't advocate "massive regulation." he doesn't assert centralized regulation as the solution. in my view he wants pressure to come from, and believes it can only come from, the consumer. in that sense he's not presuming 'ignorant consumer,' but inundated and way-too-busy-to-read-the-fine-lines-of-cell-plan consumer.</p> actually, he doesn’t advocate “massive regulation.” he doesn’t assert centralized regulation as the solution. in my view he wants pressure to come from, and believes it can only come from, the consumer. in that sense he’s not presuming ‘ignorant consumer,’ but inundated and way-too-busy-to-read-the-fine-lines-of-cell-plan consumer.

]]> By: Paul Kamp http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-37132 Paul Kamp Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:22:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-37132 <p>While there is competition between carriers in the US there is also much more innovation and services available on the networks outside the US. Further, as he points out in his paper, the carriers have a number of non-competitive requirements. Two examples are, disabling phones for other networks and not allowing dual mode WiFi phones on their networks.</p> <p>Apple just did an end around on the second point by having Cingular agree to their phone sight unseen. If the carriers were not so restrictive we would have seen these types of phones a while back.</p> <p>I am all for competition, it is just the anticompetitive behavior I have trouble with.</p> While there is competition between carriers in the US there is also much more innovation and services available on the networks outside the US. Further, as he points out in his paper, the carriers have a number of non-competitive requirements. Two examples are, disabling phones for other networks and not allowing dual mode WiFi phones on their networks.

Apple just did an end around on the second point by having Cingular agree to their phone sight unseen. If the carriers were not so restrictive we would have seen these types of phones a while back.

I am all for competition, it is just the anticompetitive behavior I have trouble with.

]]> By: Paul Kamp http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-53816 Paul Kamp Sun, 25 Feb 2007 19:22:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-53816 <p>While there is competition between carriers in the US there is also much more innovation and services available on the networks outside the US. Further, as he points out in his paper, the carriers have a number of non-competitive requirements. Two examples are, disabling phones for other networks and not allowing dual mode WiFi phones on their networks.<br><br>Apple just did an end around on the second point by having Cingular agree to their phone sight unseen. If the carriers were not so restrictive we would have seen these types of phones a while back.<br><br>I am all for competition, it is just the anticompetitive behavior I have trouble with.</p> While there is competition between carriers in the US there is also much more innovation and services available on the networks outside the US. Further, as he points out in his paper, the carriers have a number of non-competitive requirements. Two examples are, disabling phones for other networks and not allowing dual mode WiFi phones on their networks.

Apple just did an end around on the second point by having Cingular agree to their phone sight unseen. If the carriers were not so restrictive we would have seen these types of phones a while back.

I am all for competition, it is just the anticompetitive behavior I have trouble with.

]]> By: Jerry Ellig http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-37131 Jerry Ellig Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:16:37 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-37131 <p>Let's keep the concepts clear on "textbook oligpoly." Economic theories of oligopoly show that ANY outcome, from perfectly competitive to monopoly to in-between, can happen in oligopoly. The outcome depends on a lot of specific facts and circumstances. (Sorry, no link, but consult that old microeconomics textbook on your shelf, in the chapters that discusses market structures.) So the mere fact that something is an "oligopoly" (relatively small number of sellers) says absolutely nothing about what type of conduct or results inevitably follow.</p> Let’s keep the concepts clear on “textbook oligpoly.” Economic theories of oligopoly show that ANY outcome, from perfectly competitive to monopoly to in-between, can happen in oligopoly. The outcome depends on a lot of specific facts and circumstances. (Sorry, no link, but consult that old microeconomics textbook on your shelf, in the chapters that discusses market structures.) So the mere fact that something is an “oligopoly” (relatively small number of sellers) says absolutely nothing about what type of conduct or results inevitably follow.

]]> By: Jerry Ellig http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-53815 Jerry Ellig Wed, 14 Feb 2007 01:16:37 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-53815 <p>Let's keep the concepts clear on "textbook oligpoly." Economic theories of oligopoly show that ANY outcome, from perfectly competitive to monopoly to in-between, can happen in oligopoly. The outcome depends on a lot of specific facts and circumstances. (Sorry, no link, but consult that old microeconomics textbook on your shelf, in the chapters that discusses market structures.) So the mere fact that something is an "oligopoly" (relatively small number of sellers) says absolutely nothing about what type of conduct or results inevitably follow.</p> Let’s keep the concepts clear on “textbook oligpoly.” Economic theories of oligopoly show that ANY outcome, from perfectly competitive to monopoly to in-between, can happen in oligopoly. The outcome depends on a lot of specific facts and circumstances. (Sorry, no link, but consult that old microeconomics textbook on your shelf, in the chapters that discusses market structures.) So the mere fact that something is an “oligopoly” (relatively small number of sellers) says absolutely nothing about what type of conduct or results inevitably follow.

]]> By: Jon L http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-37130 Jon L Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:05:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-37130 <p>It's also an important instance to note the number of MVNO's that have been launched in the last 2 years. Though a number of have failed due to lack of consumer demand, there is a market for sub-leased and white-label spectrum as offered by the larger carriers to other companies who want in the game.</p> <p>ESPN, DisneyMobile, Amp'd, Boost, Helio, and FaithMobile are just a few of the companies that have launched their own networks on the available spectrum of existing carriers.</p> <p>The barrier to entry of this market is lower than ever, and getting lower with the (noted) introductions of technologies like WiMax.</p> It’s also an important instance to note the number of MVNO’s that have been launched in the last 2 years. Though a number of have failed due to lack of consumer demand, there is a market for sub-leased and white-label spectrum as offered by the larger carriers to other companies who want in the game.

ESPN, DisneyMobile, Amp’d, Boost, Helio, and FaithMobile are just a few of the companies that have launched their own networks on the available spectrum of existing carriers.

The barrier to entry of this market is lower than ever, and getting lower with the (noted) introductions of technologies like WiMax.

]]> By: Jon L http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/comment-page-1/#comment-53814 Jon L Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:05:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2007/02/12/tim-wu-and-wireless-net-neutrality-regulation/#comment-53814 <p>It's also an important instance to note the number of MVNO's that have been launched in the last 2 years. Though a number of have failed due to lack of consumer demand, there is a market for sub-leased and white-label spectrum as offered by the larger carriers to other companies who want in the game.<br><br>ESPN, DisneyMobile, Amp'd, Boost, Helio, and FaithMobile are just a few of the companies that have launched their own networks on the available spectrum of existing carriers.<br><br>The barrier to entry of this market is lower than ever, and getting lower with the (noted) introductions of technologies like WiMax.</p> It’s also an important instance to note the number of MVNO’s that have been launched in the last 2 years. Though a number of have failed due to lack of consumer demand, there is a market for sub-leased and white-label spectrum as offered by the larger carriers to other companies who want in the game.

ESPN, DisneyMobile, Amp’d, Boost, Helio, and FaithMobile are just a few of the companies that have launched their own networks on the available spectrum of existing carriers.

The barrier to entry of this market is lower than ever, and getting lower with the (noted) introductions of technologies like WiMax.

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