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		<title>By: robert</title>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<title>By: soma online sales</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36907</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: soma online sales</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 01:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>soma online sales &lt;a&gt;soma online sales&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve R, you called me out on that one. Yes, I believe regulatory policy has its role.

Take a look at Jane Ginsburg, Copyright and Control over New Technologies of Dissemination, 101 COLUMBIA LAW REVIEW 1613 (2001). It explains how the DMCA is inline with historical amendments to copyright law by Congress.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve R, you called me out on that one. Yes, I believe regulatory policy has its role.</p>
<p>Take a look at Jane Ginsburg, Copyright and Control over New Technologies of Dissemination, 101 COLUMBIA LAW REVIEW 1613 (2001). It explains how the DMCA is inline with historical amendments to copyright law by Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54053</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve R, you called me out on that one. Yes, I believe regulatory policy has its role.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Take a look at Jane Ginsburg, Copyright and Control over New Technologies of Dissemination, 101 COLUMBIA LAW REVIEW 1613 (2001). It explains how the DMCA is inline with historical amendments to copyright law by Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve R, you called me out on that one. Yes, I believe regulatory policy has its role.</p>
<p>Take a look at Jane Ginsburg, Copyright and Control over New Technologies of Dissemination, 101 COLUMBIA LAW REVIEW 1613 (2001). It explains how the DMCA is inline with historical amendments to copyright law by Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36905</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I re-read Patrick&#039;s article, the more it appears to be nothing more than Orwellian doublespeak. Patrick in glowing terms makes it appear that the consumer is being given greater freedom, the dark reality is that the consumer is being castrated.

Patrick writes: &lt;i&gt;&quot;we are in fact purchasing a &lt;b&gt;set of rights&lt;/b&gt; to that content&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;(emphasis added) With real estate, when you buy a house you do have a set of real rights in what you can do with that piece of property.  You can remodel the house, you can sell it, and you can, if you lived long enough, own it forever.  Music in MP3 format can be transferred to a variety of devices and can be held forever. The consumer is able to manage a set of rights. However, Patrick&#039;s digital &lt;i&gt;&quot;set of rights&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is a null set, it is the vendor who is totally defining how the consumer can use that content. Since the consumer lacks any discretionary authority to manage content in Patrick&#039;s digital age, the consumer literally has no rights. Furthermore, the content vendor is aggrandizing his/her property rights by limiting the ability of the consumer to implement normal usage rights such as time shift, multiple play, and device independence. The logic of how deprivation constitutes freedom is strait out of Orwell&#039;s universe.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I re-read Patrick&#8217;s article, the more it appears to be nothing more than Orwellian doublespeak. Patrick in glowing terms makes it appear that the consumer is being given greater freedom, the dark reality is that the consumer is being castrated.</p>
<p>Patrick writes: <i>&#8220;we are in fact purchasing a <b>set of rights</b> to that content&#8221;.</i>(emphasis added) With real estate, when you buy a house you do have a set of real rights in what you can do with that piece of property.  You can remodel the house, you can sell it, and you can, if you lived long enough, own it forever.  Music in MP3 format can be transferred to a variety of devices and can be held forever. The consumer is able to manage a set of rights. However, Patrick&#8217;s digital <i>&#8220;set of rights&#8221;</i> is a null set, it is the vendor who is totally defining how the consumer can use that content. Since the consumer lacks any discretionary authority to manage content in Patrick&#8217;s digital age, the consumer literally has no rights. Furthermore, the content vendor is aggrandizing his/her property rights by limiting the ability of the consumer to implement normal usage rights such as time shift, multiple play, and device independence. The logic of how deprivation constitutes freedom is strait out of Orwell&#8217;s universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54052</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I re-read Patrick&#039;s article, the more it appears to be nothing more than Orwellian doublespeak. Patrick in glowing terms makes it appear that the consumer is being given greater freedom, the dark reality is that the consumer is being castrated.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Patrick writes: &lt;i&gt;&quot;we are in fact purchasing a &lt;b&gt;set of rights&lt;/b&gt; to that content&quot;.&lt;/i&gt;(emphasis added) With real estate, when you buy a house you do have a set of real rights in what you can do with that piece of property.  You can remodel the house, you can sell it, and you can, if you lived long enough, own it forever.  Music in MP3 format can be transferred to a variety of devices and can be held forever. The consumer is able to manage a set of rights. However, Patrick&#039;s digital &lt;i&gt;&quot;set of rights&quot;&lt;/i&gt; is a null set, it is the vendor who is totally defining how the consumer can use that content. Since the consumer lacks any discretionary authority to manage content in Patrick&#039;s digital age, the consumer literally has no rights. Furthermore, the content vendor is aggrandizing his/her property rights by limiting the ability of the consumer to implement normal usage rights such as time shift, multiple play, and device independence. The logic of how deprivation constitutes freedom is strait out of Orwell&#039;s universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I re-read Patrick&#8217;s article, the more it appears to be nothing more than Orwellian doublespeak. Patrick in glowing terms makes it appear that the consumer is being given greater freedom, the dark reality is that the consumer is being castrated.</p>
<p>Patrick writes: <i>&#8220;we are in fact purchasing a <b>set of rights</b> to that content&#8221;.</i>(emphasis added) With real estate, when you buy a house you do have a set of real rights in what you can do with that piece of property.  You can remodel the house, you can sell it, and you can, if you lived long enough, own it forever.  Music in MP3 format can be transferred to a variety of devices and can be held forever. The consumer is able to manage a set of rights. However, Patrick&#8217;s digital <i>&#8220;set of rights&#8221;</i> is a null set, it is the vendor who is totally defining how the consumer can use that content. Since the consumer lacks any discretionary authority to manage content in Patrick&#8217;s digital age, the consumer literally has no rights. Furthermore, the content vendor is aggrandizing his/her property rights by limiting the ability of the consumer to implement normal usage rights such as time shift, multiple play, and device independence. The logic of how deprivation constitutes freedom is strait out of Orwell&#8217;s universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36904</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel: I knew it!!! Deep down under, your are really in favor of regulation.  You wrote &lt;i&gt;&quot;... rather it needed some &lt;b&gt;regulatory basis&lt;/b&gt; in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.&quot; &lt;/i&gt; (emphasis added) So government regulation really does help promote the progress of society and science!!!!

Enigma: Like you I am opposed to the DMCA; however, I have one syntactic quibble.  You wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; While the DMCA was clearly approved by the government, the government was simply acting as a lackey to corporate special interests.  We have a government of, by, and for the corporations.  If the government would develop a backbone and serve the public interest we wouldn&#039;t have absurd laws, such as the DMCA
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel: I knew it!!! Deep down under, your are really in favor of regulation.  You wrote <i>&#8220;&#8230; rather it needed some <b>regulatory basis</b> in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.&#8221; </i> (emphasis added) So government regulation really does help promote the progress of society and science!!!!</p>
<p>Enigma: Like you I am opposed to the DMCA; however, I have one syntactic quibble.  You wrote: <i>&#8220;The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.&#8221;</i> While the DMCA was clearly approved by the government, the government was simply acting as a lackey to corporate special interests.  We have a government of, by, and for the corporations.  If the government would develop a backbone and serve the public interest we wouldn&#8217;t have absurd laws, such as the DMCA</p>
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		<title>By: Steve R.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54051</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel: I knew it!!! Deep down under, your are really in favor of regulation.  You wrote &lt;i&gt;&quot;... rather it needed some &lt;b&gt;regulatory basis&lt;/b&gt; in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.&quot; &lt;/i&gt; (emphasis added) So government regulation really does help promote the progress of society and science!!!!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Enigma: Like you I am opposed to the DMCA; however, I have one syntactic quibble.  You wrote: &lt;i&gt;&quot;The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; While the DMCA was clearly approved by the government, the government was simply acting as a lackey to corporate special interests.  We have a government of, by, and for the corporations.  If the government would develop a backbone and serve the public interest we wouldn&#039;t have absurd laws, such as the DMCA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel: I knew it!!! Deep down under, your are really in favor of regulation.  You wrote <i>&#8220;&#8230; rather it needed some <b>regulatory basis</b> in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.&#8221; </i> (emphasis added) So government regulation really does help promote the progress of society and science!!!!</p>
<p>Enigma: Like you I am opposed to the DMCA; however, I have one syntactic quibble.  You wrote: <i>&#8220;The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.&#8221;</i> While the DMCA was clearly approved by the government, the government was simply acting as a lackey to corporate special interests.  We have a government of, by, and for the corporations.  If the government would develop a backbone and serve the public interest we wouldn&#8217;t have absurd laws, such as the DMCA</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36903</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the digital market place was in its infancy in 1997, you can&#039;t really know that the DMCA was helpful or harmful in its evolution. Since the market didn&#039;t have much time to grow unregulated before the passage of the DMCA, I could just as easily say the digital landscape would be a lot better now than it is if the law was never passed.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the digital market place was in its infancy in 1997, you can&#8217;t really know that the DMCA was helpful or harmful in its evolution. Since the market didn&#8217;t have much time to grow unregulated before the passage of the DMCA, I could just as easily say the digital landscape would be a lot better now than it is if the law was never passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave H.</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54050</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the digital market place was in its infancy in 1997, you can&#039;t really know that the DMCA was helpful or harmful in its evolution. Since the market didn&#039;t have much time to grow unregulated before the passage of the DMCA, I could just as easily say the digital landscape would be a lot better now than it is if the law was never passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the digital market place was in its infancy in 1997, you can&#8217;t really know that the DMCA was helpful or harmful in its evolution. Since the market didn&#8217;t have much time to grow unregulated before the passage of the DMCA, I could just as easily say the digital landscape would be a lot better now than it is if the law was never passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36902</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DMCA anti-circumvention clause is the rankest sort of protectionism, pure and simple.  To dress it up in free-market rhetoric takes some serious chutzpah.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DMCA anti-circumvention clause is the rankest sort of protectionism, pure and simple.  To dress it up in free-market rhetoric takes some serious chutzpah.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54049</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DMCA anti-circumvention clause is the rankest sort of protectionism, pure and simple.  To dress it up in free-market rhetoric takes some serious chutzpah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DMCA anti-circumvention clause is the rankest sort of protectionism, pure and simple.  To dress it up in free-market rhetoric takes some serious chutzpah.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel, I agree with parts of what you say.

1-The market was not &quot;broken&quot; in 1997.
2-We have today a digital content landscape.

I disagree with parts of what you say:

1-I don&#039;t think the market needed section 1201(f) in order to form. It would have formed anyway.
2-I wouldn&#039;t describe today&#039;s digital content landscape as vibrant. It exists and expands, but I think this digital content landscape would be much more vibrant without the anti-circumvention clause.

Of course, this is mostly beliefs, as what you just wrote is.

regards,
Charles
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel, I agree with parts of what you say.</p>
<p>1-The market was not &#8220;broken&#8221; in 1997.<br />
2-We have today a digital content landscape.</p>
<p>I disagree with parts of what you say:</p>
<p>1-I don&#8217;t think the market needed section 1201(f) in order to form. It would have formed anyway.<br />
2-I wouldn&#8217;t describe today&#8217;s digital content landscape as vibrant. It exists and expands, but I think this digital content landscape would be much more vibrant without the anti-circumvention clause.</p>
<p>Of course, this is mostly beliefs, as what you just wrote is.</p>
<p>regards,<br />
Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noel, I agree with parts of what you say.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1-The market was not &quot;broken&quot; in 1997.&lt;br&gt;2-We have today a digital content landscape.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I disagree with parts of what you say:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1-I don&#039;t think the market needed section 1201(f) in order to form. It would have formed anyway.&lt;br&gt;2-I wouldn&#039;t describe today&#039;s digital content landscape as vibrant. It exists and expands, but I think this digital content landscape would be much more vibrant without the anti-circumvention clause.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, this is mostly beliefs, as what you just wrote is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;regards,&lt;br&gt;Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel, I agree with parts of what you say.</p>
<p>1-The market was not &#8220;broken&#8221; in 1997.<br />2-We have today a digital content landscape.</p>
<p>I disagree with parts of what you say:</p>
<p>1-I don&#8217;t think the market needed section 1201(f) in order to form. It would have formed anyway.<br />2-I wouldn&#8217;t describe today&#8217;s digital content landscape as vibrant. It exists and expands, but I think this digital content landscape would be much more vibrant without the anti-circumvention clause.</p>
<p>Of course, this is mostly beliefs, as what you just wrote is.</p>
<p>regards,<br />Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36900</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, I don&#039;t believe the digital market was *broken* in 1997, rather it needed some regulatory basis in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I don&#8217;t believe the digital market was *broken* in 1997, rather it needed some regulatory basis in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54047</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, I don&#039;t believe the digital market was *broken* in 1997, rather it needed some regulatory basis in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I don&#8217;t believe the digital market was *broken* in 1997, rather it needed some regulatory basis in order to form- and hence, we are here today in a vibrant digital landscape.</p>
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		<title>By: enigma_foundry</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36899</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;PFF&#039;s Patrick Ross writes that those of us who advocate reversing the DMCA and strengthening fair use rights have little faith in markets.&lt;/i&gt;

The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.  Anyone who argues in favor of DMCA is against market forces.  It really is that simple.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>PFF&#8217;s Patrick Ross writes that those of us who advocate reversing the DMCA and strengthening fair use rights have little faith in markets.</i></p>
<p>The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.  Anyone who argues in favor of DMCA is against market forces.  It really is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: eee_eff</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54046</link>
		<dc:creator>eee_eff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;PFF&#039;s Patrick Ross writes that those of us who advocate reversing the DMCA and strengthening fair use rights have little faith in markets.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.  Anyone who argues in favor of DMCA is against market forces.  It really is that simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>PFF&#8217;s Patrick Ross writes that those of us who advocate reversing the DMCA and strengthening fair use rights have little faith in markets.</i></p>
<p>The whole DMCA itself is one giant governmental market intervention.  Anyone who argues in favor of DMCA is against market forces.  It really is that simple.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-36898</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me Patrick Ross&#039; argument forgets what the initial goal of copyright is, i.e. &quot;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts[...].&quot; The purpose of the copyright law is not necessarily to give copyright holders the maximum revenue from the works. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m teaching anyone anything. In any case, it&#039;s not clear to me that by giving copyright holders the right to restrict place-shifting (or time-shifting as was brought up in this post), one help promote the progress of science and the useful arts. It appears to me that if creators can control to any degree they wish the way consumers of cultural content experience that content, then future creation becomes, in most part, subjugated to the will of the current creators. I don&#039;t see this as a favorable outcome in any way.

I also don&#039;t believe that Patrick Ross&#039; interpretation of the copyright of digital content is correct. &quot;It&#039;s easy to forget that when we purchase digital content, we are in fact purchasing a set of rights to that content, rights shaped by current technologies, as well as the expectations of both creators and consumers.&quot; This just seems wrong. Rights of the creators and the consumers are set by congress through the copyright law, the goal of which is to promote ... You see where I&#039;m going. I take it this is what Britto was explaining.

The final argument by Ross that congress shouldn&#039;t change the DMCA because the market seems to work fine could just as well be turned on its head. Why did the DMCA get enacted anyway? 9 years ago was 1997. What sort of indication did congress had that the market was &quot;broken&quot; in 1997 that prompted the DMCA? It seems to me it was mostly lobbying by the large content companies. As far as I know, it&#039;s not like 50% of them filed for bankruptcy. Yes, they would have had to change the way they distribute their content (the same way it&#039;s happening now). Who said that once you started making money with something it had to stay profitable for all of eternity? Markets are dynamic and technology changes. You have to adapt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me Patrick Ross&#8217; argument forgets what the initial goal of copyright is, i.e. &#8220;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts[...].&#8221; The purpose of the copyright law is not necessarily to give copyright holders the maximum revenue from the works. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m teaching anyone anything. In any case, it&#8217;s not clear to me that by giving copyright holders the right to restrict place-shifting (or time-shifting as was brought up in this post), one help promote the progress of science and the useful arts. It appears to me that if creators can control to any degree they wish the way consumers of cultural content experience that content, then future creation becomes, in most part, subjugated to the will of the current creators. I don&#8217;t see this as a favorable outcome in any way.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe that Patrick Ross&#8217; interpretation of the copyright of digital content is correct. &#8220;It&#8217;s easy to forget that when we purchase digital content, we are in fact purchasing a set of rights to that content, rights shaped by current technologies, as well as the expectations of both creators and consumers.&#8221; This just seems wrong. Rights of the creators and the consumers are set by congress through the copyright law, the goal of which is to promote &#8230; You see where I&#8217;m going. I take it this is what Britto was explaining.</p>
<p>The final argument by Ross that congress shouldn&#8217;t change the DMCA because the market seems to work fine could just as well be turned on its head. Why did the DMCA get enacted anyway? 9 years ago was 1997. What sort of indication did congress had that the market was &#8220;broken&#8221; in 1997 that prompted the DMCA? It seems to me it was mostly lobbying by the large content companies. As far as I know, it&#8217;s not like 50% of them filed for bankruptcy. Yes, they would have had to change the way they distribute their content (the same way it&#8217;s happening now). Who said that once you started making money with something it had to stay profitable for all of eternity? Markets are dynamic and technology changes. You have to adapt.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/24/for-markets-for-fair-use/comment-page-1/#comment-54045</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me Patrick Ross&#039; argument forgets what the initial goal of copyright is, i.e. &quot;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts[...].&quot; The purpose of the copyright law is not necessarily to give copyright holders the maximum revenue from the works. I don&#039;t think I&#039;m teaching anyone anything. In any case, it&#039;s not clear to me that by giving copyright holders the right to restrict place-shifting (or time-shifting as was brought up in this post), one help promote the progress of science and the useful arts. It appears to me that if creators can control to any degree they wish the way consumers of cultural content experience that content, then future creation becomes, in most part, subjugated to the will of the current creators. I don&#039;t see this as a favorable outcome in any way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also don&#039;t believe that Patrick Ross&#039; interpretation of the copyright of digital content is correct. &quot;It&#039;s easy to forget that when we purchase digital content, we are in fact purchasing a set of rights to that content, rights shaped by current technologies, as well as the expectations of both creators and consumers.&quot; This just seems wrong. Rights of the creators and the consumers are set by congress through the copyright law, the goal of which is to promote ... You see where I&#039;m going. I take it this is what Britto was explaining.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The final argument by Ross that congress shouldn&#039;t change the DMCA because the market seems to work fine could just as well be turned on its head. Why did the DMCA get enacted anyway? 9 years ago was 1997. What sort of indication did congress had that the market was &quot;broken&quot; in 1997 that prompted the DMCA? It seems to me it was mostly lobbying by the large content companies. As far as I know, it&#039;s not like 50% of them filed for bankruptcy. Yes, they would have had to change the way they distribute their content (the same way it&#039;s happening now). Who said that once you started making money with something it had to stay profitable for all of eternity? Markets are dynamic and technology changes. You have to adapt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me Patrick Ross&#8217; argument forgets what the initial goal of copyright is, i.e. &#8220;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts[...].&#8221; The purpose of the copyright law is not necessarily to give copyright holders the maximum revenue from the works. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m teaching anyone anything. In any case, it&#8217;s not clear to me that by giving copyright holders the right to restrict place-shifting (or time-shifting as was brought up in this post), one help promote the progress of science and the useful arts. It appears to me that if creators can control to any degree they wish the way consumers of cultural content experience that content, then future creation becomes, in most part, subjugated to the will of the current creators. I don&#8217;t see this as a favorable outcome in any way.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t believe that Patrick Ross&#8217; interpretation of the copyright of digital content is correct. &#8220;It&#8217;s easy to forget that when we purchase digital content, we are in fact purchasing a set of rights to that content, rights shaped by current technologies, as well as the expectations of both creators and consumers.&#8221; This just seems wrong. Rights of the creators and the consumers are set by congress through the copyright law, the goal of which is to promote &#8230; You see where I&#8217;m going. I take it this is what Britto was explaining.</p>
<p>The final argument by Ross that congress shouldn&#8217;t change the DMCA because the market seems to work fine could just as well be turned on its head. Why did the DMCA get enacted anyway? 9 years ago was 1997. What sort of indication did congress had that the market was &#8220;broken&#8221; in 1997 that prompted the DMCA? It seems to me it was mostly lobbying by the large content companies. As far as I know, it&#8217;s not like 50% of them filed for bankruptcy. Yes, they would have had to change the way they distribute their content (the same way it&#8217;s happening now). Who said that once you started making money with something it had to stay profitable for all of eternity? Markets are dynamic and technology changes. You have to adapt.</p>
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