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	<title>Comments on: There&#8217;s No Such Thing as Too Many Smart Workers</title>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36632</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create. To do so would be phenomenly stupid&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So what you&#039;re saying people will look around and say &quot;my country sucks so bad that I will pay the enormous cost of moving around the world&quot; and this will create political instability in those nations?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it is not the fault of the nation who provides the immigrant his new home, but rather the fault of the nation who made his old one so bad he wanted to leave?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create. To do so would be phenomenly stupid&#8221;</p>

<p>So what you&#8217;re saying people will look around and say &#8220;my country sucks so bad that I will pay the enormous cost of moving around the world&#8221; and this will create political instability in those nations?</p>

<p>Perhaps it is not the fault of the nation who provides the immigrant his new home, but rather the fault of the nation who made his old one so bad he wanted to leave?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51144</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create. To do so would be phenomenly stupid&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So what you&#039;re saying people will look around and say &quot;my country sucks so bad that I will pay the enormous cost of moving around the world&quot; and this will create political instability in those nations?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Perhaps it is not the fault of the nation who provides the immigrant his new home, but rather the fault of the nation who made his old one so bad he wanted to leave?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create. To do so would be phenomenly stupid&#8221;<br /><br />So what you&#8217;re saying people will look around and say &#8220;my country sucks so bad that I will pay the enormous cost of moving around the world&#8221; and this will create political instability in those nations?<br /><br />Perhaps it is not the fault of the nation who provides the immigrant his new home, but rather the fault of the nation who made his old one so bad he wanted to leave?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36631</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should check again where this statistic came from, but I remember reading that the money immigrants in Canada personnaly send to Haiti is greater than the total help Canada supplies to Haiti. Granted this is not about the US and only about one third-world country, but still. Of all the policies a country can come up with, I don&#039;t think immigration laws are the most damaging to the rest of the world.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should check again where this statistic came from, but I remember reading that the money immigrants in Canada personnaly send to Haiti is greater than the total help Canada supplies to Haiti. Granted this is not about the US and only about one third-world country, but still. Of all the policies a country can come up with, I don&#8217;t think immigration laws are the most damaging to the rest of the world.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51143</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 15:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should check again where this statistic came from, but I remember reading that the money immigrants in Canada personnaly send to Haiti is greater than the total help Canada supplies to Haiti. Granted this is not about the US and only about one third-world country, but still. Of all the policies a country can come up with, I don&#039;t think immigration laws are the most damaging to the rest of the world.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should check again where this statistic came from, but I remember reading that the money immigrants in Canada personnaly send to Haiti is greater than the total help Canada supplies to Haiti. Granted this is not about the US and only about one third-world country, but still. Of all the policies a country can come up with, I don&#8217;t think immigration laws are the most damaging to the rest of the world.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: enigma_foundry</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36630</link>
		<dc:creator>enigma_foundry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create.  To do so would be phenomenly stupid&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games</i></p>

<p>But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create.  To do so would be phenomenly stupid</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: eee_eff</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51142</link>
		<dc:creator>eee_eff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 20:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create.  To do so would be phenomenly stupid&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games</i><br /><br />But certain regions will benefit more than others, and the USA cannot turn a blind eye to the political and economic instabillity that their policies create.  To do so would be phenomenly stupid</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36629</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games. When a skilled Indian or Chinese worker migrates to the United States, he&#039;s likely to benefit his compatriots back home in a variety of ways. He might start a business that increases trade between the United States and his home country. He might send money back to help his family. He might contribute to organizations working to improve conditions in his home country.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But even if emigration is harmful to the migrant&#039;s native country, I don&#039;t think that justifies forcing him not to migrate. People are not the property of their governments. They don&#039;t have an obligation to stay in their home countries in order to benefit their countrymen.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Millions of Americans every year move from state to state in search of economic opportunity. No doubt my native state of Minnesota was unhappy when, after 8 years of education at state expense, I took a job on the East Coast. It&#039;s probably unfair that Minnesota taxpayers paid for my education and then didn&#039;t receive the benefits of my taxes. But I don&#039;t think anyone believes it should be illegal for me to leave Minnesota. People ought to have a right to seek economic opportunity wherever they can find it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games. When a skilled Indian or Chinese worker migrates to the United States, he&#8217;s likely to benefit his compatriots back home in a variety of ways. He might start a business that increases trade between the United States and his home country. He might send money back to help his family. He might contribute to organizations working to improve conditions in his home country.</p>

<p>But even if emigration is harmful to the migrant&#8217;s native country, I don&#8217;t think that justifies forcing him not to migrate. People are not the property of their governments. They don&#8217;t have an obligation to stay in their home countries in order to benefit their countrymen.</p>

<p>Millions of Americans every year move from state to state in search of economic opportunity. No doubt my native state of Minnesota was unhappy when, after 8 years of education at state expense, I took a job on the East Coast. It&#8217;s probably unfair that Minnesota taxpayers paid for my education and then didn&#8217;t receive the benefits of my taxes. But I don&#8217;t think anyone believes it should be illegal for me to leave Minnesota. People ought to have a right to seek economic opportunity wherever they can find it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51141</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games. When a skilled Indian or Chinese worker migrates to the United States, he&#039;s likely to benefit his compatriots back home in a variety of ways. He might start a business that increases trade between the United States and his home country. He might send money back to help his family. He might contribute to organizations working to improve conditions in his home country.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But even if emigration is harmful to the migrant&#039;s native country, I don&#039;t think that justifies forcing him not to migrate. People are not the property of their governments. They don&#039;t have an obligation to stay in their home countries in order to benefit their countrymen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Millions of Americans every year move from state to state in search of economic opportunity. No doubt my native state of Minnesota was unhappy when, after 8 years of education at state expense, I took a job on the East Coast. It&#039;s probably unfair that Minnesota taxpayers paid for my education and then didn&#039;t receive the benefits of my taxes. But I don&#039;t think anyone believes it should be illegal for me to leave Minnesota. People ought to have a right to seek economic opportunity wherever they can find it.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, trade and migration are not zero-sum games. When a skilled Indian or Chinese worker migrates to the United States, he&#8217;s likely to benefit his compatriots back home in a variety of ways. He might start a business that increases trade between the United States and his home country. He might send money back to help his family. He might contribute to organizations working to improve conditions in his home country.<br /><br />But even if emigration is harmful to the migrant&#8217;s native country, I don&#8217;t think that justifies forcing him not to migrate. People are not the property of their governments. They don&#8217;t have an obligation to stay in their home countries in order to benefit their countrymen.<br /><br />Millions of Americans every year move from state to state in search of economic opportunity. No doubt my native state of Minnesota was unhappy when, after 8 years of education at state expense, I took a job on the East Coast. It&#8217;s probably unfair that Minnesota taxpayers paid for my education and then didn&#8217;t receive the benefits of my taxes. But I don&#8217;t think anyone believes it should be illegal for me to leave Minnesota. People ought to have a right to seek economic opportunity wherever they can find it.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36628</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This also applies to doctors.  My fiancee has recently interviewed for her residency.  Apparently American medical schools each get hundreds of applications from qualified foreign medical graduates (that&#039;s graduate, not student).  They turn down the majority (90%) of them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They do this because the supply of residencies is limited artificially.  Many of these individuals are not just med school grads, they are full blown practicing doctors who want to come to America, but we require them to re-do much of their training.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We are explicitly turning away (by mandate) thousands of DOCTORS who wish to come here and practice medicine.  We are artificially limiting the supply of doctors in a time in which medical costs are skyrocketing.  Does this sound like a good idea?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#039;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whose utility are we maximizing here?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Well, foreign countries often benefit from the discoveries and inventions of immigrants who ply their trade in the freer US environment.  We usually invent new things to sell them -- and those countries like to buy new things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also applies to doctors.  My fiancee has recently interviewed for her residency.  Apparently American medical schools each get hundreds of applications from qualified foreign medical graduates (that&#8217;s graduate, not student).  They turn down the majority (90%) of them.</p>

<p>They do this because the supply of residencies is limited artificially.  Many of these individuals are not just med school grads, they are full blown practicing doctors who want to come to America, but we require them to re-do much of their training.</p>

<p>We are explicitly turning away (by mandate) thousands of DOCTORS who wish to come here and practice medicine.  We are artificially limiting the supply of doctors in a time in which medical costs are skyrocketing.  Does this sound like a good idea?</p>

<p>&#8220;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#8217;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?</p>

<p>Whose utility are we maximizing here?&#8221;</p>

<p>Well, foreign countries often benefit from the discoveries and inventions of immigrants who ply their trade in the freer US environment.  We usually invent new things to sell them &#8212; and those countries like to buy new things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian Moore</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51140</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This also applies to doctors.  My fiancee has recently interviewed for her residency.  Apparently American medical schools each get hundreds of applications from qualified foreign medical graduates (that&#039;s graduate, not student).  They turn down the majority (90%) of them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They do this because the supply of residencies is limited artificially.  Many of these individuals are not just med school grads, they are full blown practicing doctors who want to come to America, but we require them to re-do much of their training.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We are explicitly turning away (by mandate) thousands of DOCTORS who wish to come here and practice medicine.  We are artificially limiting the supply of doctors in a time in which medical costs are skyrocketing.  Does this sound like a good idea?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#039;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whose utility are we maximizing here?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, foreign countries often benefit from the discoveries and inventions of immigrants who ply their trade in the freer US environment.  We usually invent new things to sell them -- and those countries like to buy new things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also applies to doctors.  My fiancee has recently interviewed for her residency.  Apparently American medical schools each get hundreds of applications from qualified foreign medical graduates (that&#8217;s graduate, not student).  They turn down the majority (90%) of them.<br /><br />They do this because the supply of residencies is limited artificially.  Many of these individuals are not just med school grads, they are full blown practicing doctors who want to come to America, but we require them to re-do much of their training.<br /><br />We are explicitly turning away (by mandate) thousands of DOCTORS who wish to come here and practice medicine.  We are artificially limiting the supply of doctors in a time in which medical costs are skyrocketing.  Does this sound like a good idea?<br /><br />&#8220;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#8217;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?<br /><br />Whose utility are we maximizing here?&#8221;<br /><br />Well, foreign countries often benefit from the discoveries and inventions of immigrants who ply their trade in the freer US environment.  We usually invent new things to sell them &#8212; and those countries like to buy new things.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bob K</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36627</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;in the long run it&#039;s good for everyone&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#039;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Whose utility are we maximizing here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in the long run it&#8217;s good for everyone&#8221;.</p>

<p>Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#8217;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?</p>

<p>Whose utility are we maximizing here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Bob K</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51139</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;in the long run it&#039;s good for everyone&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#039;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whose utility are we maximizing here?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;in the long run it&#8217;s good for everyone&#8221;.<br /><br />Everyone in the US, or everyone in the world? Aren&#8217;t we doing the rest of the world a long-term favor by arbitrarily limiting our share of the brain drain?<br /><br />Whose utility are we maximizing here?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-36626</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim, check out the NAS pubication: Building a Workforce for the Information Economy (2001). It talks about the importance of foreign workers in building an information economy thats highly complex and specialized;in particluar, the H1-B tech work visa.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On the one hand, I feel for American tech workers who have their jobs shipped overseas, or who cannot find work here. However, the benefits to the American economy of foreign talent is obvious.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, check out the NAS pubication: Building a Workforce for the Information Economy (2001). It talks about the importance of foreign workers in building an information economy thats highly complex and specialized;in particluar, the H1-B tech work visa.</p>

<p>On the one hand, I feel for American tech workers who have their jobs shipped overseas, or who cannot find work here. However, the benefits to the American economy of foreign talent is obvious.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2007/01/05/theres-no-such-thing-as-too-many-smart-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-51138</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim, check out the NAS pubication: Building a Workforce for the Information Economy (2001). It talks about the importance of foreign workers in building an information economy thats highly complex and specialized;in particluar, the H1-B tech work visa.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the one hand, I feel for American tech workers who have their jobs shipped overseas, or who cannot find work here. However, the benefits to the American economy of foreign talent is obvious.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, check out the NAS pubication: Building a Workforce for the Information Economy (2001). It talks about the importance of foreign workers in building an information economy thats highly complex and specialized;in particluar, the H1-B tech work visa.<br /><br />On the one hand, I feel for American tech workers who have their jobs shipped overseas, or who cannot find work here. However, the benefits to the American economy of foreign talent is obvious.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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