Comments on: Shuttleworth Speaks at Google http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Fri, 25 May 2012 18:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Mike Linksvayer http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-36249 Mike Linksvayer Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:13:05 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-36249 <p>Tim, you're completely right, I misread. The outside version need not even be private, just stale, which is the case with many distros. It's great that Ubuntu is trying to avoid this problem, though I wonder how they'll do so with their "long term support" versions.</p> Tim, you’re completely right, I misread. The outside version need not even be private, just stale, which is the case with many distros. It’s great that Ubuntu is trying to avoid this problem, though I wonder how they’ll do so with their “long term support” versions.

]]> By: Mike Linksvayer http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-53904 Mike Linksvayer Tue, 12 Dec 2006 00:13:05 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-53904 <p>Tim, you're completely right, I misread. The outside version need not even be private, just stale, which is the case with many distros. It's great that Ubuntu is trying to avoid this problem, though I wonder how they'll do so with their "long term support" versions.</p> Tim, you’re completely right, I misread. The outside version need not even be private, just stale, which is the case with many distros. It’s great that Ubuntu is trying to avoid this problem, though I wonder how they’ll do so with their “long term support” versions.

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-36248 Tim Lee Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:34:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-36248 <p>Mike, I think you're getting thing backwards: Shuttleworth isn't talking about an open source project releasing its project as a tarball every six months. He's talking about an outside developer with a private version of an open source project submitting bugfixes <i>to</i> the project every six months. His point is that if those bugfixes are too stale, then the community won't be able to integrate them into the codebase, which will force the outside developer to fix the bugs again the next time he upgrades to a new version of the project.</p> Mike, I think you’re getting thing backwards: Shuttleworth isn’t talking about an open source project releasing its project as a tarball every six months. He’s talking about an outside developer with a private version of an open source project submitting bugfixes to the project every six months. His point is that if those bugfixes are too stale, then the community won’t be able to integrate them into the codebase, which will force the outside developer to fix the bugs again the next time he upgrades to a new version of the project.

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-53903 Tim Lee Mon, 11 Dec 2006 05:34:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-53903 <p>Mike, I think you're getting thing backwards: Shuttleworth isn't talking about an open source project releasing its project as a tarball every six months. He's talking about an outside developer with a private version of an open source project submitting bugfixes <i>to</i> the project every six months. His point is that if those bugfixes are too stale, then the community won't be able to integrate them into the codebase, which will force the outside developer to fix the bugs again the next time he upgrades to a new version of the project.</p> Mike, I think you’re getting thing backwards: Shuttleworth isn’t talking about an open source project releasing its project as a tarball every six months. He’s talking about an outside developer with a private version of an open source project submitting bugfixes to the project every six months. His point is that if those bugfixes are too stale, then the community won’t be able to integrate them into the codebase, which will force the outside developer to fix the bugs again the next time he upgrades to a new version of the project.

]]> By: Mike Linksvayer http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-36247 Mike Linksvayer Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:03:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-36247 <p>That quote sounds archaic. The norm is for the public to have (read) access to the same revision control system developers use. I can't think of a significant free software project that only occasionally releases a tarball off the top of my head.</p> <p>I did listen to some of the video and found a couple things interesting:</p> <ul> <li><p>Focus on preinstallation (very welcome), but only outside the U.S. Shuttleworth claimed that in the U.S. PC market margins are too tight to support anything other than Windows installation (one person who complains after mistakenly ordering Linux eats up the margin from 10 customers he said). This sounds bogus to me. a) are margins really thinner in the U.S. PC market than elsewhere? b) it would seem easy to segreate linux orders, e.g., only available through linux.dell.com (which does exist, but only leads to a few (desktop) systems available with Linux, or at least without Windows).</p></li> <li><p>Claim toward the end that once open source reaches feature parity with proprietary software, the former's superior innovativeness becomes readily apparent, and the Linux desktop is reaching that stage.</p></li> </ul> That quote sounds archaic. The norm is for the public to have (read) access to the same revision control system developers use. I can’t think of a significant free software project that only occasionally releases a tarball off the top of my head.

I did listen to some of the video and found a couple things interesting:

  • Focus on preinstallation (very welcome), but only outside the U.S. Shuttleworth claimed that in the U.S. PC market margins are too tight to support anything other than Windows installation (one person who complains after mistakenly ordering Linux eats up the margin from 10 customers he said). This sounds bogus to me. a) are margins really thinner in the U.S. PC market than elsewhere? b) it would seem easy to segreate linux orders, e.g., only available through linux.dell.com (which does exist, but only leads to a few (desktop) systems available with Linux, or at least without Windows).

  • Claim toward the end that once open source reaches feature parity with proprietary software, the former’s superior innovativeness becomes readily apparent, and the Linux desktop is reaching that stage.

]]> By: Mike Linksvayer http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/comment-page-1/#comment-53902 Mike Linksvayer Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:03:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/12/01/shuttleworth-speaks-at-google/#comment-53902 <p>That quote sounds archaic. The norm is for the public to have (read) access to the same revision control system developers use. I can't think of a significant free software project that only occasionally releases a tarball off the top of my head.<br><br>I did listen to some of the video and found a couple things interesting:<br><br>* Focus on preinstallation (very welcome), but only outside the U.S. Shuttleworth claimed that in the U.S. PC market margins are too tight to support anything other than Windows installation (one person who complains after mistakenly ordering Linux eats up the margin from 10 customers he said). This sounds bogus to me. a) are margins really thinner in the U.S. PC market than elsewhere? b) it would seem easy to segreate linux orders, e.g., only available through <a href="http://linux.dell.com">linux.dell.com</a> (which does exist, but only leads to a few (desktop) systems available with Linux, or at least without Windows).<br><br>* Claim toward the end that once open source reaches feature parity with proprietary software, the former's superior innovativeness becomes readily apparent, and the Linux desktop is reaching that stage.</p> That quote sounds archaic. The norm is for the public to have (read) access to the same revision control system developers use. I can’t think of a significant free software project that only occasionally releases a tarball off the top of my head.

I did listen to some of the video and found a couple things interesting:

* Focus on preinstallation (very welcome), but only outside the U.S. Shuttleworth claimed that in the U.S. PC market margins are too tight to support anything other than Windows installation (one person who complains after mistakenly ordering Linux eats up the margin from 10 customers he said). This sounds bogus to me. a) are margins really thinner in the U.S. PC market than elsewhere? b) it would seem easy to segreate linux orders, e.g., only available through linux.dell.com (which does exist, but only leads to a few (desktop) systems available with Linux, or at least without Windows).

* Claim toward the end that once open source reaches feature parity with proprietary software, the former’s superior innovativeness becomes readily apparent, and the Linux desktop is reaching that stage.

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