Comments on: Novell and MS–the market brings a new beginning http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:51:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35881 enigma_foundry Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:56:13 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35881 <p><i>In fact, Novell probably isn't a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is.</i></p> <p>Well, Noel you have passed anbother milestone!</p> <p>I think of this deal much in the same way I think of Microsoft's competing for influence in donating to both Republicans and Democrats: they want a voice in that community.</p> <p>They are somewhat surprised (As I was) at the volume and consistency of the criticism of Microsoft. I did not expect the FOSS community to hold together as well as it has.</p> <p>Looking more closely at the deal, and the recent annoucement by Sun to release Java under the GPL, I can see that the competetion to have a voice in the developer community is warming up.</p> <p>Remeber what Schumpeter said about the complexity of competition, and not to be too focused on cost competition alone.</p> <p>I think the for-profit enterprise is competeing for the respect of a community.</p> <p>Yes, it's a good thing.</p> In fact, Novell probably isn’t a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is.

Well, Noel you have passed anbother milestone!

I think of this deal much in the same way I think of Microsoft’s competing for influence in donating to both Republicans and Democrats: they want a voice in that community.

They are somewhat surprised (As I was) at the volume and consistency of the criticism of Microsoft. I did not expect the FOSS community to hold together as well as it has.

Looking more closely at the deal, and the recent annoucement by Sun to release Java under the GPL, I can see that the competetion to have a voice in the developer community is warming up.

Remeber what Schumpeter said about the complexity of competition, and not to be too focused on cost competition alone.

I think the for-profit enterprise is competeing for the respect of a community.

Yes, it’s a good thing.

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49427 eee_eff Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:56:13 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49427 <p><i>In fact, Novell probably isn't a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is.</i><br><br>Well, Noel you have passed anbother milestone!<br><br>I think of this deal much in the same way I think of Microsoft's competing for influence in donating to both Republicans and Democrats: they want a voice in that community.<br><br>They are somewhat surprised (As I was) at the volume and consistency of the criticism of Microsoft. I did not expect the FOSS community to hold together as well as it has.<br><br>Looking more closely at the deal, and the recent annoucement by Sun to release Java under the GPL, I can see that the competetion to have a voice in the developer community is warming up.<br><br>Remeber what Schumpeter said about the complexity of competition, and not to be too focused on cost competition alone.<br><br>I think the for-profit enterprise is competeing for the respect of a community.<br><br>Yes, it's a good thing.</p> In fact, Novell probably isn’t a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is.

Well, Noel you have passed anbother milestone!

I think of this deal much in the same way I think of Microsoft’s competing for influence in donating to both Republicans and Democrats: they want a voice in that community.

They are somewhat surprised (As I was) at the volume and consistency of the criticism of Microsoft. I did not expect the FOSS community to hold together as well as it has.

Looking more closely at the deal, and the recent annoucement by Sun to release Java under the GPL, I can see that the competetion to have a voice in the developer community is warming up.

Remeber what Schumpeter said about the complexity of competition, and not to be too focused on cost competition alone.

I think the for-profit enterprise is competeing for the respect of a community.

Yes, it’s a good thing.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35880 Noel Le Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:37:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35880 <p>Luis, are you implying that big and small firms can never collaborate, or that its somehow MSFT's fault the financial limitations of FOSS business models.</p> <p>Sonia's reference to Judge Jackson is interesting. Jackson (when he was awake) didn't think MSFT had viable competitors. In fact, Novell probably isn't a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is. To say that MSFT needs to partner with a competitor rather than a "lapdog" as Luis states it, would have MSFT partnering with the entire FOSS industrial segment or not work with FOSS at all. Obviously, MSFT is more practical, and sought to work with Novell.</p> Luis, are you implying that big and small firms can never collaborate, or that its somehow MSFT’s fault the financial limitations of FOSS business models.

Sonia’s reference to Judge Jackson is interesting. Jackson (when he was awake) didn’t think MSFT had viable competitors. In fact, Novell probably isn’t a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is. To say that MSFT needs to partner with a competitor rather than a “lapdog” as Luis states it, would have MSFT partnering with the entire FOSS industrial segment or not work with FOSS at all. Obviously, MSFT is more practical, and sought to work with Novell.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49426 Noel Le Sat, 11 Nov 2006 21:37:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49426 <p>Luis, are you implying that big and small firms can never collaborate, or that its somehow MSFT's fault the financial limitations of FOSS business models.<br><br>Sonia's reference to Judge Jackson is interesting. Jackson (when he was awake) didn't think MSFT had viable competitors. In fact, Novell probably isn't a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is. To say that MSFT needs to partner with a competitor rather than a "lapdog" as Luis states it, would have MSFT partnering with the entire FOSS industrial segment or not work with FOSS at all. Obviously, MSFT is more practical, and sought to work with Novell.</p> Luis, are you implying that big and small firms can never collaborate, or that its somehow MSFT’s fault the financial limitations of FOSS business models.

Sonia’s reference to Judge Jackson is interesting. Jackson (when he was awake) didn’t think MSFT had viable competitors. In fact, Novell probably isn’t a viable competitor to MSFT; but the general FOSS OS market is. To say that MSFT needs to partner with a competitor rather than a “lapdog” as Luis states it, would have MSFT partnering with the entire FOSS industrial segment or not work with FOSS at all. Obviously, MSFT is more practical, and sought to work with Novell.

]]> By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35879 Luis Villa Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:10:51 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35879 <p>Microsoft's payment to Novell represents about one day's worth of profits for MS; Novell's payment to MS was more than Novell has made in profit in the past year. This isn't competition.</p> Microsoft’s payment to Novell represents about one day’s worth of profits for MS; Novell’s payment to MS was more than Novell has made in profit in the past year. This isn’t competition.

]]> By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49425 Luis Villa Sat, 11 Nov 2006 20:10:51 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49425 <p>Microsoft's payment to Novell represents about one day's worth of profits for MS; Novell's payment to MS was more than Novell has made in profit in the past year. This isn't competition.</p> Microsoft’s payment to Novell represents about one day’s worth of profits for MS; Novell’s payment to MS was more than Novell has made in profit in the past year. This isn’t competition.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35878 enigma_foundry Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:47:51 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35878 <p>I am totally amazed at how many people were surprised at this. I had fully expected MS would try to pay off some of the big open source companies, and hence my stock picks for this year included Novell:</p> <p> <a href="http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/predictions-for-the-year-2007-part-i/" rel="nofollow">Predictions for the Year 2007, Part I</a> <p> Stock Picks 18. Stock picks: Steris (40%), Johnson & Johnson (40%), Novell (20%) </p></p> I am totally amazed at how many people were surprised at this. I had fully expected MS would try to pay off some of the big open source companies, and hence my stock picks for this year included Novell:

Predictions for the Year 2007, Part I

Stock Picks 18. Stock picks: Steris (40%), Johnson & Johnson (40%), Novell (20%)

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49424 eee_eff Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:47:51 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49424 <p>I am totally amazed at how many people were surprised at this. I had fully expected MS would try to pay off some of the big open source companies, and hence my stock picks for this year included Novell:<br></p> <p><br><a href="http://enigmafoundry.wordpress.com/2006/09/09/predictions-for-the-year-2007-part-i/" rel="nofollow">Predictions for the Year 2007, Part I</a><br></p> <p><br>Stock Picks<br><br>18. Stock picks: Steris (40%), Johnson & Johnson (40%), Novell (20%)<br><br></p> I am totally amazed at how many people were surprised at this. I had fully expected MS would try to pay off some of the big open source companies, and hence my stock picks for this year included Novell:


Predictions for the Year 2007, Part I


Stock Picks

18. Stock picks: Steris (40%), Johnson & Johnson (40%), Novell (20%)

]]> By: Soinia http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35877 Soinia Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:59:45 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35877 <p>Receiving a $308 million payment isn't what most people consider groveling.</p> Receiving a $308 million payment isn’t what most people consider groveling.

]]> By: Soinia http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49423 Soinia Fri, 10 Nov 2006 21:59:45 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49423 <p>Receiving a $308 million payment isn't what most people consider groveling.</p> Receiving a $308 million payment isn’t what most people consider groveling.

]]> By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-35876 Luis Villa Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:33:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-35876 <p>It isn't competition if you have to grovel at the other guy's feet to have permission to participate in their market. Most of the time we call that having a lapdog, not a competitor.</p> It isn’t competition if you have to grovel at the other guy’s feet to have permission to participate in their market. Most of the time we call that having a lapdog, not a competitor.

]]> By: Luis Villa http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/comment-page-1/#comment-49422 Luis Villa Fri, 10 Nov 2006 01:33:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/09/novell-and-ms-the-market-brings-a-new-beginning/#comment-49422 <p>It isn't competition if you have to grovel at the other guy's feet to have permission to participate in their market. Most of the time we call that having a lapdog, not a competitor.</p> It isn’t competition if you have to grovel at the other guy’s feet to have permission to participate in their market. Most of the time we call that having a lapdog, not a competitor.

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