Comments on: Software Patent of the Week: Litigation is for Losers http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Fri, 25 May 2012 18:27:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35778 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:35:32 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35778 <p>Steve R, I think everyone knows our patent system needs fixing. But getting rid of software patents, rather than improving them, or arguing that patents have a net detrimental effect to the software industry, are not productive discourse unless you substantiate your claims. Right Tim:)</p> <p>Steve, you're right that patents don't provide either an absolute or irrefutable property right (I think Prof. Carl Shapiro wrote about this, I'll look up the article later), and your claim that folks try to "create" property rights observes the difference between broadly claimed patents and technologies subject to their suit. Again, these are issues of claim construction, and if anything else, recognize that courts have an important role in interpreting what rights actually fall under a patent. Implicitly, you disagree with Tim's argument that the value of patents lies on the face of their claim construction.</p> Steve R, I think everyone knows our patent system needs fixing. But getting rid of software patents, rather than improving them, or arguing that patents have a net detrimental effect to the software industry, are not productive discourse unless you substantiate your claims. Right Tim:)

Steve, you’re right that patents don’t provide either an absolute or irrefutable property right (I think Prof. Carl Shapiro wrote about this, I’ll look up the article later), and your claim that folks try to “create” property rights observes the difference between broadly claimed patents and technologies subject to their suit. Again, these are issues of claim construction, and if anything else, recognize that courts have an important role in interpreting what rights actually fall under a patent. Implicitly, you disagree with Tim’s argument that the value of patents lies on the face of their claim construction.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54532 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:35:32 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54532 <p>Steve R, I think everyone knows our patent system needs fixing. But getting rid of software patents, rather than improving them, or arguing that patents have a net detrimental effect to the software industry, are not productive discourse unless you substantiate your claims. Right Tim:)<br><br>Steve, you're right that patents don't provide either an absolute or irrefutable property right (I think Prof. Carl Shapiro wrote about this, I'll look up the article later), and your claim that folks try to "create" property rights observes the difference between broadly claimed patents and technologies subject to their suit. Again, these are issues of claim construction, and if anything else, recognize that courts have an important role in interpreting what rights actually fall under a patent. Implicitly, you disagree with Tim's argument that the value of patents lies on the face of their claim construction.</p> Steve R, I think everyone knows our patent system needs fixing. But getting rid of software patents, rather than improving them, or arguing that patents have a net detrimental effect to the software industry, are not productive discourse unless you substantiate your claims. Right Tim:)

Steve, you’re right that patents don’t provide either an absolute or irrefutable property right (I think Prof. Carl Shapiro wrote about this, I’ll look up the article later), and your claim that folks try to “create” property rights observes the difference between broadly claimed patents and technologies subject to their suit. Again, these are issues of claim construction, and if anything else, recognize that courts have an important role in interpreting what rights actually fall under a patent. Implicitly, you disagree with Tim’s argument that the value of patents lies on the face of their claim construction.

]]> By: Androhair http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35777 Androhair Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:47:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35777 <p>Androhair: I would say one of the most important issues that has to be solved is the Active X controllers pattent lawsuit that Microsoft Internet Explorer holds, as this affects a lot of people in the ecommerce industry..lets just hope IE comer to an agreement as soon as possible for the benefit of everyone. <a href="http://www.androhair.com" rel="nofollow">www.androhair.com</a></p> Androhair: I would say one of the most important issues that has to be solved is the Active X controllers pattent lawsuit that Microsoft Internet Explorer holds, as this affects a lot of people in the ecommerce industry..lets just hope IE comer to an agreement as soon as possible for the benefit of everyone. http://www.androhair.com

]]> By: Androhair http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54531 Androhair Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:47:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54531 <p>Androhair: I would say one of the most important issues that has to be solved is the Active X controllers pattent lawsuit that Microsoft Internet Explorer holds, as this affects a lot of people in the ecommerce industry..lets just hope IE comer to an agreement as soon as possible for the benefit of everyone.<br><a href="http://www.androhair.com" rel="nofollow">www.androhair.com</a></p> Androhair: I would say one of the most important issues that has to be solved is the Active X controllers pattent lawsuit that Microsoft Internet Explorer holds, as this affects a lot of people in the ecommerce industry..lets just hope IE comer to an agreement as soon as possible for the benefit of everyone.
http://www.androhair.com

]]> By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35776 Steve R. Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:40:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35776 <p>Noel: A fundamental problem exists. That is the question of whether a property right even exists. Just because someone claims to have a property right, that does not mean that one exists. What we are seeing today, is the use of lawsuits to "create" a property right where none has existed.</p> Noel: A fundamental problem exists. That is the question of whether a property right even exists. Just because someone claims to have a property right, that does not mean that one exists. What we are seeing today, is the use of lawsuits to “create” a property right where none has existed.

]]> By: Steve R. http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54530 Steve R. Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:40:26 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54530 <p>Noel: A fundamental problem exists. That is the question of whether a property right even exists. Just because someone claims to have a property right, that does not mean that one exists. What we are seeing today, is the use of lawsuits to "create" a property right where none has existed.</p> Noel: A fundamental problem exists. That is the question of whether a property right even exists. Just because someone claims to have a property right, that does not mean that one exists. What we are seeing today, is the use of lawsuits to “create” a property right where none has existed.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35775 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:19:29 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35775 <p>First of all, how much does the SCO suit rely on patent claims. Second, what point is there in IP if you can't assert your property rights.</p> <p>I'm not a fan of litigous trolls, but as usual, Tim tries to make a point that his evidence really has little bearing to.</p> First of all, how much does the SCO suit rely on patent claims. Second, what point is there in IP if you can’t assert your property rights.

I’m not a fan of litigous trolls, but as usual, Tim tries to make a point that his evidence really has little bearing to.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54529 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 06:19:29 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54529 <p>First of all, how much does the SCO suit rely on patent claims. Second, what point is there in IP if you can't assert your property rights.<br><br>I'm not a fan of litigous trolls, but as usual, Tim tries to make a point that his evidence really has little bearing to.</p> First of all, how much does the SCO suit rely on patent claims. Second, what point is there in IP if you can’t assert your property rights.

I’m not a fan of litigous trolls, but as usual, Tim tries to make a point that his evidence really has little bearing to.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35774 enigma_foundry Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:56:30 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35774 <p>I think you are missing the mother of all descents into trolldom--SCO's lawsuit against IBM, Dainler-Chrysler, Auto-zone and the related suits by Novell and Red Hat against SCO.</p> <p>Suing your customers is always a sign that your business plan has failed--and that you have no long term plan.</p> <p>I am very sorry to see SGI go down like this--especially since I am a big fan of their XFS file system--I have been using it on SuSE linux for the past 4 yoers or so...</p> I think you are missing the mother of all descents into trolldom–SCO’s lawsuit against IBM, Dainler-Chrysler, Auto-zone and the related suits by Novell and Red Hat against SCO.

Suing your customers is always a sign that your business plan has failed–and that you have no long term plan.

I am very sorry to see SGI go down like this–especially since I am a big fan of their XFS file system–I have been using it on SuSE linux for the past 4 yoers or so…

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54528 eee_eff Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:56:30 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54528 <p>I think you are missing the mother of all descents into trolldom--SCO's lawsuit against IBM, Dainler-Chrysler, Auto-zone and the related suits by Novell and Red Hat against SCO.<br><br>Suing your customers is always a sign that your business plan has failed--and that you have no long term plan.<br><br>I am very sorry to see SGI go down like this--especially since I am a big fan of their XFS file system--I have been using it on SuSE linux for the past 4 yoers or so...</p> I think you are missing the mother of all descents into trolldom–SCO’s lawsuit against IBM, Dainler-Chrysler, Auto-zone and the related suits by Novell and Red Hat against SCO.

Suing your customers is always a sign that your business plan has failed–and that you have no long term plan.

I am very sorry to see SGI go down like this–especially since I am a big fan of their XFS file system–I have been using it on SuSE linux for the past 4 yoers or so…

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-35773 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:55:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-35773 <p><strong><em>evidence that patents are harmful to the software industry</em></strong></p> <p>Wouldn't going through economic or market research studies be more valuable in making this claim than analyzing 1 softare patent per week.</p> <p>By the way, what evidence is there that patents hurt the software industry. How exactly is the industry worse off with patents.</p> evidence that patents are harmful to the software industry

Wouldn’t going through economic or market research studies be more valuable in making this claim than analyzing 1 softare patent per week.

By the way, what evidence is there that patents hurt the software industry. How exactly is the industry worse off with patents.

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54527 Noel Le Fri, 03 Nov 2006 00:55:08 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/11/02/software-patent-of-the-week-litigation-is-for-losers/#comment-54527 <p><strong><em>evidence that patents are harmful to the software industry</em></strong><br><br>Wouldn't going through economic or market research studies be more valuable in making this claim than analyzing 1 softare patent per week.<br><br>By the way, what evidence is there that patents hurt the software industry. How exactly is the industry worse off with patents.</p> evidence that patents are harmful to the software industry

Wouldn’t going through economic or market research studies be more valuable in making this claim than analyzing 1 softare patent per week.

By the way, what evidence is there that patents hurt the software industry. How exactly is the industry worse off with patents.

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