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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55744</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Regarding TiVo, I wasn&#039;t thinking of ReplayTV (who went bankrupt, after all) but rather of all the &quot;knockoff&quot; PVRs that cable companies have been marketing to their customers.  EchoStar is the most prominent example:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echostar_v_tivo.html&quot;&gt;http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echosta...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not sure what to  make of this case - I usually default against supporting patent injunctions, but TiVo is definitely a much more sympathetic organization than EchoStar...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:<br /><br />Regarding TiVo, I wasn&#8217;t thinking of ReplayTV (who went bankrupt, after all) but rather of all the &#8220;knockoff&#8221; PVRs that cable companies have been marketing to their customers.  EchoStar is the most prominent example:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echostar_v_tivo.html">http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echosta&#8230;</a><br /><br />I&#8217;m not sure what to  make of this case &#8211; I usually default against supporting patent injunctions, but TiVo is definitely a much more sympathetic organization than EchoStar&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55743</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What Blackberry does is called incremental innovation Tim. You can say the process of incremental innovaiton, which ensures constant interop between hardware/software, increased stability and new revenue to firms, is itself an innovation. But don&#039;t you think the Blackberry is an innovation. There are few things set in stone in the digital economy, and I&#039;m not talking about a particular model of Blackberry. But the concept encompassing functionality, form factor, etc. Thats a product innovation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Blackberry does is called incremental innovation Tim. You can say the process of incremental innovaiton, which ensures constant interop between hardware/software, increased stability and new revenue to firms, is itself an innovation. But don&#8217;t you think the Blackberry is an innovation. There are few things set in stone in the digital economy, and I&#8217;m not talking about a particular model of Blackberry. But the concept encompassing functionality, form factor, etc. Thats a product innovation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55742</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Noel, the BlackBerry isn&#039;t a static invention. They release new versions every year, and each one tends to be better than the one before. If a company copied last year&#039;s BlackBerry and released it next year, they wouldn&#039;t have much market success.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel, the BlackBerry isn&#8217;t a static invention. They release new versions every year, and each one tends to be better than the one before. If a company copied last year&#8217;s BlackBerry and released it next year, they wouldn&#8217;t have much market success.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55741</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, you got my point that innovation applies to both processes and end products right. Thats an economic fact. You can say that innovation in a certain space deals more with one form or the other, and that they are not mutually exclusive, but to say there is only one kind of innovation is not tenable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of the things you write about Tim (peer production, decentralized development), those would be process innovations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Product innovations can include Blackberries, extra flight golf balls, desktop apps, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you got my point that innovation applies to both processes and end products right. Thats an economic fact. You can say that innovation in a certain space deals more with one form or the other, and that they are not mutually exclusive, but to say there is only one kind of innovation is not tenable.<br /><br />Of the things you write about Tim (peer production, decentralized development), those would be process innovations.<br /><br />Product innovations can include Blackberries, extra flight golf balls, desktop apps, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35480</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Regarding TiVo, I wasn&#039;t thinking of ReplayTV (who went bankrupt, after all) but rather of all the &quot;knockoff&quot; PVRs that cable companies have been marketing to their customers.  EchoStar is the most prominent example:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echostar_v_tivo.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure what to  make of this case - I usually default against supporting patent injunctions, but TiVo is definitely a much more sympathetic organization than EchoStar...&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>

<p>Regarding TiVo, I wasn&#8217;t thinking of ReplayTV (who went bankrupt, after all) but rather of all the &#8220;knockoff&#8221; PVRs that cable companies have been marketing to their customers.  EchoStar is the most prominent example:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echostar_v_tivo.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2006/08/echostar_v_tivo.html</a></p>

<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to  make of this case &#8211; I usually default against supporting patent injunctions, but TiVo is definitely a much more sympathetic organization than EchoStar&#8230;</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35479</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What Blackberry does is called incremental innovation Tim. You can say the process of incremental innovaiton, which ensures constant interop between hardware/software, increased stability and new revenue to firms, is itself an innovation. But don&#039;t you think the Blackberry is an innovation. There are few things set in stone in the digital economy, and I&#039;m not talking about a particular model of Blackberry. But the concept encompassing functionality, form factor, etc. Thats a product innovation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Blackberry does is called incremental innovation Tim. You can say the process of incremental innovaiton, which ensures constant interop between hardware/software, increased stability and new revenue to firms, is itself an innovation. But don&#8217;t you think the Blackberry is an innovation. There are few things set in stone in the digital economy, and I&#8217;m not talking about a particular model of Blackberry. But the concept encompassing functionality, form factor, etc. Thats a product innovation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35478</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Noel, the BlackBerry isn&#039;t a static invention. They release new versions every year, and each one tends to be better than the one before. If a company copied last year&#039;s BlackBerry and released it next year, they wouldn&#039;t have much market success.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noel, the BlackBerry isn&#8217;t a static invention. They release new versions every year, and each one tends to be better than the one before. If a company copied last year&#8217;s BlackBerry and released it next year, they wouldn&#8217;t have much market success.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55740</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. Tim, I would not necessarily look for innovations easily replicated. How about balancing ease of copying with strategic or commercial value. Firms have more incentive to go after (misappropriate) innovations with all of these characteristics right.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Tim, I would not necessarily look for innovations easily replicated. How about balancing ease of copying with strategic or commercial value. Firms have more incentive to go after (misappropriate) innovations with all of these characteristics right.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35477</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also, you got my point that innovation applies to both processes and end products right. Thats an economic fact. You can say that innovation in a certain space deals more with one form or the other, and that they are not mutually exclusive, but to say there is only one kind of innovation is not tenable.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of the things you write about Tim (peer production, decentralized development), those would be process innovations.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Product innovations can include Blackberries, extra flight golf balls, desktop apps, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you got my point that innovation applies to both processes and end products right. Thats an economic fact. You can say that innovation in a certain space deals more with one form or the other, and that they are not mutually exclusive, but to say there is only one kind of innovation is not tenable.</p>

<p>Of the things you write about Tim (peer production, decentralized development), those would be process innovations.</p>

<p>Product innovations can include Blackberries, extra flight golf balls, desktop apps, etc.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35476</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm. Tim, I would not necessarily look for innovations easily replicated. How about balancing ease of copying with strategic or commercial value. Firms have more incentive to go after (misappropriate) innovations with all of these characteristics right.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Tim, I would not necessarily look for innovations easily replicated. How about balancing ease of copying with strategic or commercial value. Firms have more incentive to go after (misappropriate) innovations with all of these characteristics right.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55739</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doug: that&#039;s an interesting example. I don&#039;t know the history of early DVR players well enough to comment on it. Did ReplayTV copy TiVo&#039;s design? If so, how long did it take them to bring it to market?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug: that&#8217;s an interesting example. I don&#8217;t know the history of early DVR players well enough to comment on it. Did ReplayTV copy TiVo&#8217;s design? If so, how long did it take them to bring it to market?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55738</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm...easy-to-replicate innovation.  What about TiVo?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;easy-to-replicate innovation.  What about TiVo?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doug: that&#039;s an interesting example. I don&#039;t know the history of early DVR players well enough to comment on it. Did ReplayTV copy TiVo&#039;s design? If so, how long did it take them to bring it to market?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug: that&#8217;s an interesting example. I don&#8217;t know the history of early DVR players well enough to comment on it. Did ReplayTV copy TiVo&#8217;s design? If so, how long did it take them to bring it to market?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Doug Lay</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35474</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Lay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm...easy-to-replicate innovation.  What about TiVo?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;easy-to-replicate innovation.  What about TiVo?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55737</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DeLong makes his argument in the abstract without giving any concrete examples, so I was trying to put some flesh on the bones by considering a couple of real-world examples. It&#039;s true, that some innovations are easier to replicate than others. But if anything, it seems to me that YouTube and Google Maps ought to be at the &quot;easy&quot; end of the spectrum. They&#039;re conceptually straightforward, and you can largely see how they work by choosing the &quot;view source&quot; command in your browser. It would be far more difficult to replicate something like Google&#039;s search engine, which has more complex algorithms that are largely tucked away on Google&#039;s servers where no one can see them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I&#039;d be interested in an example of a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation. I&#039;m sure they exist, but I&#039;m having trouble thinking of one.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeLong makes his argument in the abstract without giving any concrete examples, so I was trying to put some flesh on the bones by considering a couple of real-world examples. It&#8217;s true, that some innovations are easier to replicate than others. But if anything, it seems to me that YouTube and Google Maps ought to be at the &#8220;easy&#8221; end of the spectrum. They&#8217;re conceptually straightforward, and you can largely see how they work by choosing the &#8220;view source&#8221; command in your browser. It would be far more difficult to replicate something like Google&#8217;s search engine, which has more complex algorithms that are largely tucked away on Google&#8217;s servers where no one can see them.<br /><br />So I&#8217;d be interested in an example of a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation. I&#8217;m sure they exist, but I&#8217;m having trouble thinking of one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55736</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 12:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its just Tim&#039;s effort to say that smaller firms are inherently more innovative than larger companies because they can possibily leverage the innovating process more efficiently. I have no big disagreement with this as I&#039;ve argued elsewhere the releative lack of concentration in the software industry as a sign that IP policies are fostering a healthy digital economy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yet, Tim&#039;s strategy in this post is that by including Masneck&#039;s view of innovation, he maintains our attention to this proposed inherent efficiency of small firms and diverts us from thinking too much about actual products.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course, what happens when you only see innovation in the process of innovation, where you assign small firms to have inherent advantage: small firms are thereby more innovative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, Tim used Masneck to draw a big circle around himself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just Tim&#8217;s effort to say that smaller firms are inherently more innovative than larger companies because they can possibily leverage the innovating process more efficiently. I have no big disagreement with this as I&#8217;ve argued elsewhere the releative lack of concentration in the software industry as a sign that IP policies are fostering a healthy digital economy.<br /><br />Yet, Tim&#8217;s strategy in this post is that by including Masneck&#8217;s view of innovation, he maintains our attention to this proposed inherent efficiency of small firms and diverts us from thinking too much about actual products.<br /><br />Of course, what happens when you only see innovation in the process of innovation, where you assign small firms to have inherent advantage: small firms are thereby more innovative.<br /><br />In other words, Tim used Masneck to draw a big circle around himself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DeLong makes his argument in the abstract without giving any concrete examples, so I was trying to put some flesh on the bones by considering a couple of real-world examples. It&#039;s true, that some innovations are easier to replicate than others. But if anything, it seems to me that YouTube and Google Maps ought to be at the &quot;easy&quot; end of the spectrum. They&#039;re conceptually straightforward, and you can largely see how they work by choosing the &quot;view source&quot; command in your browser. It would be far more difficult to replicate something like Google&#039;s search engine, which has more complex algorithms that are largely tucked away on Google&#039;s servers where no one can see them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I&#039;d be interested in an example of a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation. I&#039;m sure they exist, but I&#039;m having trouble thinking of one.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeLong makes his argument in the abstract without giving any concrete examples, so I was trying to put some flesh on the bones by considering a couple of real-world examples. It&#8217;s true, that some innovations are easier to replicate than others. But if anything, it seems to me that YouTube and Google Maps ought to be at the &#8220;easy&#8221; end of the spectrum. They&#8217;re conceptually straightforward, and you can largely see how they work by choosing the &#8220;view source&#8221; command in your browser. It would be far more difficult to replicate something like Google&#8217;s search engine, which has more complex algorithms that are largely tucked away on Google&#8217;s servers where no one can see them.</p>

<p>So I&#8217;d be interested in an example of a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation. I&#8217;m sure they exist, but I&#8217;m having trouble thinking of one.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Its just Tim&#039;s effort to say that smaller firms are inherently more innovative than larger companies because they can possibily leverage the innovating process more efficiently. I have no big disagreement with this as I&#039;ve argued elsewhere the releative lack of concentration in the software industry as a sign that IP policies are fostering a healthy digital economy.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yet, Tim&#039;s strategy in this post is that by including Masneck&#039;s view of innovation, he maintains our attention to this proposed inherent efficiency of small firms and diverts us from thinking too much about actual products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course, what happens when you only see innovation in the process of innovation, where you assign small firms to have inherent advantage: small firms are thereby more innovative.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In other words, Tim used Masneck to draw a big circle around himself.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just Tim&#8217;s effort to say that smaller firms are inherently more innovative than larger companies because they can possibily leverage the innovating process more efficiently. I have no big disagreement with this as I&#8217;ve argued elsewhere the releative lack of concentration in the software industry as a sign that IP policies are fostering a healthy digital economy.</p>

<p>Yet, Tim&#8217;s strategy in this post is that by including Masneck&#8217;s view of innovation, he maintains our attention to this proposed inherent efficiency of small firms and diverts us from thinking too much about actual products.</p>

<p>Of course, what happens when you only see innovation in the process of innovation, where you assign small firms to have inherent advantage: small firms are thereby more innovative.</p>

<p>In other words, Tim used Masneck to draw a big circle around himself.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James Gattuso</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-55735</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gattuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;..&quot;it&#039;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tim -- I don&#039;t think this really tells us much.  Of course its often difficult.  But then again, I&#039;d think its often easy.  For cases where its difficult (for maps I have no idea), the IP debate isn&#039;t very relevant, since legal protections aren&#039;t as critical.  But that doesn&#039;t help someone who has a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation.  For them, IP protection is still critical.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..&#8221;it&#8217;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down.&#8221;<br /><br />Tim &#8212; I don&#8217;t think this really tells us much.  Of course its often difficult.  But then again, I&#8217;d think its often easy.  For cases where its difficult (for maps I have no idea), the IP debate isn&#8217;t very relevant, since legal protections aren&#8217;t as critical.  But that doesn&#8217;t help someone who has a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation.  For them, IP protection is still critical.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: James Gattuso</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35471</link>
		<dc:creator>James Gattuso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;..&quot;it&#039;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Tim -- I don&#039;t think this really tells us much.  Of course its often difficult.  But then again, I&#039;d think its often easy.  For cases where its difficult (for maps I have no idea), the IP debate isn&#039;t very relevant, since legal protections aren&#039;t as critical.  But that doesn&#039;t help someone who has a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation.  For them, IP protection is still critical.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..&#8221;it&#8217;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down.&#8221;</p>

<p>Tim &#8212; I don&#8217;t think this really tells us much.  Of course its often difficult.  But then again, I&#8217;d think its often easy.  For cases where its difficult (for maps I have no idea), the IP debate isn&#8217;t very relevant, since legal protections aren&#8217;t as critical.  But that doesn&#8217;t help someone who has a not-so-difficult-to-replicate innovation.  For them, IP protection is still critical.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 06:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course you try to pick apart an argument by applying it as a universal theory to a situation that differs from its economic model, and this even after my lesson to you that theories of innovation are industry, and probably, technology specific.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;it&#039;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down. The software development process at big companies tends to get slowed down by bureaucracy, and as a result it&#039;s slow and expensive.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You argue that MS and everyone else could have copied Google&#039;s maps, but that they spent tons trying to be original, and that somehow this is a general reflection on small vs big firms in their innovating ability. But first you should ask how much of a priority are maps to the varous companies cited. What do they spell for bottom line profits. If a product is really important to a company, its going to focus more on it, and make it that development more efficient, right? With MS, they&#039;re probably working on more than just a map, also peripheral applications to go along with. It might be easier to study Google&#039;s technology, but in terms of maintaining interop between their products, MS would build a map inside the company.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;even a small company with no IP at all will have substantial bargaining power over a large company facing a decision about whether to build or buy a particular bit of technology.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You take a leap here. Even if big firms are hierarchical, bureaucratic, slow and waste money, do they lose any real advantage to smaller firms. But I&#039;ll roll along. Basically, IP becomes moot to your argument though. Take IP out of the equation, and your view doesn&#039;t really change. What you are saying is simply that smaller firms will be nimbler.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe Masneck&#039;s argument is that innovation occurs as BOTH destinations and processes. With the Internet, there&#039;s a lot of focus on how it improves distribution and collaboration, so there we&#039;re talking about process innovation. Personally, I consider FOSS an innovative process.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you try to pick apart an argument by applying it as a universal theory to a situation that differs from its economic model, and this even after my lesson to you that theories of innovation are industry, and probably, technology specific.<br /><br /><strong><em>it&#8217;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down. The software development process at big companies tends to get slowed down by bureaucracy, and as a result it&#8217;s slow and expensive.</em></strong><br /><br />You argue that MS and everyone else could have copied Google&#8217;s maps, but that they spent tons trying to be original, and that somehow this is a general reflection on small vs big firms in their innovating ability. But first you should ask how much of a priority are maps to the varous companies cited. What do they spell for bottom line profits. If a product is really important to a company, its going to focus more on it, and make it that development more efficient, right? With MS, they&#8217;re probably working on more than just a map, also peripheral applications to go along with. It might be easier to study Google&#8217;s technology, but in terms of maintaining interop between their products, MS would build a map inside the company.<br /><br /><strong><em>even a small company with no IP at all will have substantial bargaining power over a large company facing a decision about whether to build or buy a particular bit of technology.</em></strong><br /><br />You take a leap here. Even if big firms are hierarchical, bureaucratic, slow and waste money, do they lose any real advantage to smaller firms. But I&#8217;ll roll along. Basically, IP becomes moot to your argument though. Take IP out of the equation, and your view doesn&#8217;t really change. What you are saying is simply that smaller firms will be nimbler.<br /><br />I believe Masneck&#8217;s argument is that innovation occurs as BOTH destinations and processes. With the Internet, there&#8217;s a lot of focus on how it improves distribution and collaboration, so there we&#8217;re talking about process innovation. Personally, I consider FOSS an innovative process.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Noel Le</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/10/10/innovation-is-a-process-not-a-destination/comment-page-1/#comment-35470</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Le</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Of course you try to pick apart an argument by applying it as a universal theory to a situation that differs from its economic model, and this even after my lesson to you that theories of innovation are industry, and probably, technology specific.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;it&#039;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down. The software development process at big companies tends to get slowed down by bureaucracy, and as a result it&#039;s slow and expensive.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You argue that MS and everyone else could have copied Google&#039;s maps, but that they spent tons trying to be original, and that somehow this is a general reflection on small vs big firms in their innovating ability. But first you should ask how much of a priority are maps to the varous companies cited. What do they spell for bottom line profits. If a product is really important to a company, its going to focus more on it, and make it that development more efficient, right? With MS, they&#039;re probably working on more than just a map, also peripheral applications to go along with. It might be easier to study Google&#039;s technology, but in terms of maintaining interop between their products, MS would build a map inside the company.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;even a small company with no IP at all will have substantial bargaining power over a large company facing a decision about whether to build or buy a particular bit of technology.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You take a leap here. Even if big firms are hierarchical, bureaucratic, slow and waste money, do they lose any real advantage to smaller firms. But I&#039;ll roll along. Basically, IP becomes moot to your argument though. Take IP out of the equation, and your view doesn&#039;t really change. What you are saying is simply that smaller firms will be nimbler.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I believe Masneck&#039;s argument is that innovation occurs as BOTH destinations and processes. With the Internet, there&#039;s a lot of focus on how it improves distribution and collaboration, so there we&#039;re talking about process innovation. Personally, I consider FOSS an innovative process.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you try to pick apart an argument by applying it as a universal theory to a situation that differs from its economic model, and this even after my lesson to you that theories of innovation are industry, and probably, technology specific.</p>

<p><strong><em>it&#8217;s often very difficult to replicate innovation from the top down. The software development process at big companies tends to get slowed down by bureaucracy, and as a result it&#8217;s slow and expensive.</em></strong></p>

<p>You argue that MS and everyone else could have copied Google&#8217;s maps, but that they spent tons trying to be original, and that somehow this is a general reflection on small vs big firms in their innovating ability. But first you should ask how much of a priority are maps to the varous companies cited. What do they spell for bottom line profits. If a product is really important to a company, its going to focus more on it, and make it that development more efficient, right? With MS, they&#8217;re probably working on more than just a map, also peripheral applications to go along with. It might be easier to study Google&#8217;s technology, but in terms of maintaining interop between their products, MS would build a map inside the company.</p>

<p><strong><em>even a small company with no IP at all will have substantial bargaining power over a large company facing a decision about whether to build or buy a particular bit of technology.</em></strong></p>

<p>You take a leap here. Even if big firms are hierarchical, bureaucratic, slow and waste money, do they lose any real advantage to smaller firms. But I&#8217;ll roll along. Basically, IP becomes moot to your argument though. Take IP out of the equation, and your view doesn&#8217;t really change. What you are saying is simply that smaller firms will be nimbler.</p>

<p>I believe Masneck&#8217;s argument is that innovation occurs as BOTH destinations and processes. With the Internet, there&#8217;s a lot of focus on how it improves distribution and collaboration, so there we&#8217;re talking about process innovation. Personally, I consider FOSS an innovative process.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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