Comments on: The UnInGEn-ious Act’s Non-Impact on Internet Gambling http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/ The Technology Liberation Front is the tech policy blog dedicated to keeping politicians' hands off the 'net and everything else related to technology. Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:19:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bill Monroe http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35384 Bill Monroe Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:04:33 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35384 For the best article on this subject, read "Unintended Consequences of a Monetary Control Scheme" by a U.S. lawyer and gambling writer named Mark Schopper, who wrote the book on Internet Gambling. The article is available on the Internet for free, just search for it by its title. He predicted this would happen in 2001, and the genius of his article is he also predicted the consequences, which will be devastating to the banking system because of e-cash, which money launderers will love. The U.S. Government is so ill informed it is scarry. For the best article on this subject, read “Unintended Consequences of a Monetary Control Scheme” by a U.S. lawyer and gambling writer named Mark Schopper, who wrote the book on Internet Gambling. The article is available on the Internet for free, just search for it by its title. He predicted this would happen in 2001, and the genius of his article is he also predicted the consequences, which will be devastating to the banking system because of e-cash, which money launderers will love. The U.S. Government is so ill informed it is scarry.

]]> By: Bill Monroe http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47404 Bill Monroe Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:04:33 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47404 For the best article on this subject, read "Unintended Consequences of a Monetary Control Scheme" by a U.S. lawyer and gambling writer named Mark Schopper, who wrote the book on Internet Gambling. The article is available on the Internet for free, just search for it by its title. He predicted this would happen in 2001, and the genius of his article is he also predicted the consequences, which will be devastating to the banking system because of e-cash, which money launderers will love. The U.S. Government is so ill informed it is scarry. For the best article on this subject, read “Unintended Consequences of a Monetary Control Scheme” by a U.S. lawyer and gambling writer named Mark Schopper, who wrote the book on Internet Gambling. The article is available on the Internet for free, just search for it by its title. He predicted this would happen in 2001, and the genius of his article is he also predicted the consequences, which will be devastating to the banking system because of e-cash, which money launderers will love. The U.S. Government is so ill informed it is scarry.

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]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47402 Tom Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:24:11 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47402 V, there is nothing now stopping Internet casinos and the like from volunteering to undergo audits by objective and trusted third parties. And, unsurprisingly, they do so; see, e.g., <a>this casino's promise.</a> So while I agree that domestic bans on Internet gambling work to the disadvantage of U.S. consumers, I don't think the supposed need for audits justifies regulation. V, there is nothing now stopping Internet casinos and the like from volunteering to undergo audits by objective and trusted third parties. And, unsurprisingly, they do so; see, e.g., this casino’s promise. So while I agree that domestic bans on Internet gambling work to the disadvantage of U.S. consumers, I don’t think the supposed need for audits justifies regulation.

]]> By: Tom http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35382 Tom Fri, 06 Oct 2006 21:24:11 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35382 V, there is nothing now stopping Internet casinos and the like from volunteering to undergo audits by objective and trusted third parties. And, unsurprisingly, they do so; see, e.g., <a>this casino's promise.</a> So while I agree that domestic bans on Internet gambling work to the disadvantage of U.S. consumers, I don't think the supposed need for audits justifies regulation. V, there is nothing now stopping Internet casinos and the like from volunteering to undergo audits by objective and trusted third parties. And, unsurprisingly, they do so; see, e.g., this casino’s promise. So while I agree that domestic bans on Internet gambling work to the disadvantage of U.S. consumers, I don’t think the supposed need for audits justifies regulation.

]]> By: Derek Slater http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47401 Derek Slater Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:50:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47401 Tom,<br><br>I hope you're right that most poker players will be unaffected, but color me skeptical. Here's analysis from the Poker Players Alliance lobbying group:<br><a href="http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/alerts/Analysis_of_Internet_Gambling_Prohibition_Act.pdf">http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/alerts/Anal...</a><br></br><br><br>Party Gaming and 888 are going to block all transactions from customers with US addresses - at least, that's how I've read their press statements. So unless you can fake your address to Party Poker and the party that sends money to Party Poker, you're out of luck. And even though I bet some people will take the time to do this, I think many ordinary Americans will be frustrated and effectively denied access beyond the near term. </br><br><br>While not a knockdown argument against your view, let me note that the stocks of the poker companies were halved, and Neteller et al were hit hard to. Are you saying those stock holders were all chicken littles, mistakenly afraid of those companies losing US customers?<br></br> Tom,

I hope you’re right that most poker players will be unaffected, but color me skeptical. Here’s analysis from the Poker Players Alliance lobbying group:
http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/alerts/Anal...

Party Gaming and 888 are going to block all transactions from customers with US addresses - at least, that’s how I’ve read their press statements. So unless you can fake your address to Party Poker and the party that sends money to Party Poker, you’re out of luck. And even though I bet some people will take the time to do this, I think many ordinary Americans will be frustrated and effectively denied access beyond the near term.

While not a knockdown argument against your view, let me note that the stocks of the poker companies were halved, and Neteller et al were hit hard to. Are you saying those stock holders were all chicken littles, mistakenly afraid of those companies losing US customers?

]]> By: Derek Slater http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35381 Derek Slater Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:50:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35381 Tom,<br /> I hope you're right that most poker players will be unaffected, but color me skeptical. Here's analysis from the Poker Players Alliance lobbying group: http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/alerts/Analysis_of_Internet_Gambling_Prohibition_Act.pdf <br /> Party Gaming and 888 are going to block all transactions from customers with US addresses - at least, that's how I've read their press statements. So unless you can fake your address to Party Poker and the party that sends money to Party Poker, you're out of luck. And even though I bet some people will take the time to do this, I think many ordinary Americans will be frustrated and effectively denied access beyond the near term. <br /> While not a knockdown argument against your view, let me note that the stocks of the poker companies were halved, and Neteller et al were hit hard to. Are you saying those stock holders were all chicken littles, mistakenly afraid of those companies losing US customers? Tom,
I hope you’re right that most poker players will be unaffected, but color me skeptical. Here’s analysis from the Poker Players Alliance lobbying group:
http://www.pokerplayersalliance.org/alerts/Analysis_of_Internet_Gambling_Prohibition_Act.pdf

Party Gaming and 888 are going to block all transactions from customers with US addresses - at least, that’s how I’ve read their press statements. So unless you can fake your address to Party Poker and the party that sends money to Party Poker, you’re out of luck. And even though I bet some people will take the time to do this, I think many ordinary Americans will be frustrated and effectively denied access beyond the near term.
While not a knockdown argument against your view, let me note that the stocks of the poker companies were halved, and Neteller et al were hit hard to. Are you saying those stock holders were all chicken littles, mistakenly afraid of those companies losing US customers?

]]> By: V http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47400 V Fri, 06 Oct 2006 19:32:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-47400 I'm not sure why nobody brings up the obvious side of this issue. When you play a game in vegas, you know that even though the odds are against you they are legitimately so. Dice have a one in six chance of landing wherever, the cards are in their physical places. Online, the site can execute whatever code it wants. The odds can be stacked against the consumer far beyond what ordinary casinos would allow.<br><br>If we're looking to protect US consumers, we shouldn't be banning internet gambling. We should be advertising how these operations work and AUDIT THEIR CODE to certify that there are no digitally weighted dice and publish the publish the results. I’m not sure why nobody brings up the obvious side of this issue. When you play a game in vegas, you know that even though the odds are against you they are legitimately so. Dice have a one in six chance of landing wherever, the cards are in their physical places. Online, the site can execute whatever code it wants. The odds can be stacked against the consumer far beyond what ordinary casinos would allow.

If we’re looking to protect US consumers, we shouldn’t be banning internet gambling. We should be advertising how these operations work and AUDIT THEIR CODE to certify that there are no digitally weighted dice and publish the publish the results.

]]> By: V http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35380 V Fri, 06 Oct 2006 18:32:20 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/10/06/the-uningen-ious-acts-non-impact-on-internet-gambling/#comment-35380 I'm not sure why nobody brings up the obvious side of this issue. When you play a game in vegas, you know that even though the odds are against you they are legitimately so. Dice have a one in six chance of landing wherever, the cards are in their physical places. Online, the site can execute whatever code it wants. The odds can be stacked against the consumer far beyond what ordinary casinos would allow. If we're looking to protect US consumers, we shouldn't be banning internet gambling. We should be advertising how these operations work and AUDIT THEIR CODE to certify that there are no digitally weighted dice and publish the publish the results. I’m not sure why nobody brings up the obvious side of this issue. When you play a game in vegas, you know that even though the odds are against you they are legitimately so. Dice have a one in six chance of landing wherever, the cards are in their physical places. Online, the site can execute whatever code it wants. The odds can be stacked against the consumer far beyond what ordinary casinos would allow.

If we’re looking to protect US consumers, we shouldn’t be banning internet gambling. We should be advertising how these operations work and AUDIT THEIR CODE to certify that there are no digitally weighted dice and publish the publish the results.

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