Comments on: OK Go and DRM http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/ The Technology Liberation Front is the tech policy blog dedicated to keeping politicians' hands off the 'net and everything else related to technology. Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:30:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: thephantommilk http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55213 thephantommilk Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:00 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55213 hmm... you know, Ok Go and DRM have a long history. If you search the New York Times website for an Op-ed by Damian Kulash (Ok Go's lead singer), you'll see.<br><br>anyways, I'm pretty sure this is something that would be in the "contract" or whatever makes the deal between record labels and vh1 for airplay, etc.<br><br>I don't think its something that can be helped by anyone, really. they've all got it into their heads that DRM is needed, so that's what'll happen until they all figure out the reality. hmm… you know, Ok Go and DRM have a long history. If you search the New York Times website for an Op-ed by Damian Kulash (Ok Go’s lead singer), you’ll see.

anyways, I’m pretty sure this is something that would be in the “contract” or whatever makes the deal between record labels and vh1 for airplay, etc.

I don’t think its something that can be helped by anyone, really. they’ve all got it into their heads that DRM is needed, so that’s what’ll happen until they all figure out the reality.

]]> By: thephantommilk http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34533 thephantommilk Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:48:00 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34533 hmm... you know, Ok Go and DRM have a long history. If you search the New York Times website for an Op-ed by Damian Kulash (Ok Go's lead singer), you'll see. anyways, I'm pretty sure this is something that would be in the "contract" or whatever makes the deal between record labels and vh1 for airplay, etc. I don't think its something that can be helped by anyone, really. they've all got it into their heads that DRM is needed, so that's what'll happen until they all figure out the reality. hmm… you know, Ok Go and DRM have a long history. If you search the New York Times website for an Op-ed by Damian Kulash (Ok Go’s lead singer), you’ll see.

anyways, I’m pretty sure this is something that would be in the “contract” or whatever makes the deal between record labels and vh1 for airplay, etc.

I don’t think its something that can be helped by anyone, really. they’ve all got it into their heads that DRM is needed, so that’s what’ll happen until they all figure out the reality.

]]> By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55212 eee_eff Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:27:28 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55212 <i>Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website.</i><br><br>Well, there just needs to be one dedicated individual to go there and correctly configure their *nix system to read those files, and post to the right newsgroup, and other users, for example those who use free software will all know how its done.<br><br>The motivation for doing so? Love of a challenge, obtain the respect of your peers, these all feed into progress, and freedom. Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website.

Well, there just needs to be one dedicated individual to go there and correctly configure their *nix system to read those files, and post to the right newsgroup, and other users, for example those who use free software will all know how its done.

The motivation for doing so? Love of a challenge, obtain the respect of your peers, these all feed into progress, and freedom.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34532 enigma_foundry Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:27:28 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34532 <i>Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website.</i> Well, there just needs to be one dedicated individual to go there and correctly configure their *nix system to read those files, and post to the right newsgroup, and other users, for example those who use free software will all know how its done. The motivation for doing so? Love of a challenge, obtain the respect of your peers, these all feed into progress, and freedom. Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website.

Well, there just needs to be one dedicated individual to go there and correctly configure their *nix system to read those files, and post to the right newsgroup, and other users, for example those who use free software will all know how its done.

The motivation for doing so? Love of a challenge, obtain the respect of your peers, these all feed into progress, and freedom.

]]> By: j http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55211 j Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:24:27 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55211 if it makes you feel any better, i've been told that vh1 will have vspot open to mac users within a couple of months. i can only imagine this means that the drm has been updated, not that it's been removed. though maybe not. i assume that the drm is something that was imposed upon them by the labels, not something that was self-inflicted, and maybe with the labels suddenly playing ball with youtube, that will change. if it makes you feel any better, i’ve been told that vh1 will have vspot open to mac users within a couple of months. i can only imagine this means that the drm has been updated, not that it’s been removed. though maybe not. i assume that the drm is something that was imposed upon them by the labels, not something that was self-inflicted, and maybe with the labels suddenly playing ball with youtube, that will change.

]]> By: j http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34531 j Thu, 17 Aug 2006 02:24:27 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34531 if it makes you feel any better, i've been told that vh1 will have vspot open to mac users within a couple of months. i can only imagine this means that the drm has been updated, not that it's been removed. though maybe not. i assume that the drm is something that was imposed upon them by the labels, not something that was self-inflicted, and maybe with the labels suddenly playing ball with youtube, that will change. if it makes you feel any better, i’ve been told that vh1 will have vspot open to mac users within a couple of months. i can only imagine this means that the drm has been updated, not that it’s been removed. though maybe not. i assume that the drm is something that was imposed upon them by the labels, not something that was self-inflicted, and maybe with the labels suddenly playing ball with youtube, that will change.

]]> By: dennis parrott http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55210 dennis parrott Wed, 16 Aug 2006 22:45:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55210 Noel - you are missing the point. the layer of CRAP that VH1 slapped on OK Go's video was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. the video was unprotected. why did VH1 feel a need to protect something that was unprotected??<br><br>all that VH1 is accomplishing is alienating a portion of their userbase by cooperating with Microsoft's crude attempts at platform lock-in. why commercial websites (who theoretically at least) want to achieve the broadest user base & capture the most eyeballs use proprietary plugins and multimedia formats is completely beyond me. it is really hurting their business with mac users and linux users (don't get me started about how far the linux flash player is behind the current pee-cee release...).<br><br>as we roll into the age of MS Vista and start to see Microsoft and others try to tighten their grip over the "user experience" (just who is "trusted" when you have TCPA running anyway?) and people will force this issue to a head if significant numbers of them exit the Windows building for other platforms (and i really hope we do!). Noel - you are missing the point. the layer of CRAP that VH1 slapped on OK Go’s video was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. the video was unprotected. why did VH1 feel a need to protect something that was unprotected??

all that VH1 is accomplishing is alienating a portion of their userbase by cooperating with Microsoft’s crude attempts at platform lock-in. why commercial websites (who theoretically at least) want to achieve the broadest user base & capture the most eyeballs use proprietary plugins and multimedia formats is completely beyond me. it is really hurting their business with mac users and linux users (don’t get me started about how far the linux flash player is behind the current pee-cee release…).

as we roll into the age of MS Vista and start to see Microsoft and others try to tighten their grip over the “user experience” (just who is “trusted” when you have TCPA running anyway?) and people will force this issue to a head if significant numbers of them exit the Windows building for other platforms (and i really hope we do!).

]]> By: dennis parrott http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34530 dennis parrott Wed, 16 Aug 2006 21:45:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34530 Noel - you are missing the point. the layer of CRAP that VH1 slapped on OK Go's video was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. the video was unprotected. why did VH1 feel a need to protect something that was unprotected?? all that VH1 is accomplishing is alienating a portion of their userbase by cooperating with Microsoft's crude attempts at platform lock-in. why commercial websites (who theoretically at least) want to achieve the broadest user base & capture the most eyeballs use proprietary plugins and multimedia formats is completely beyond me. it is really hurting their business with mac users and linux users (don't get me started about how far the linux flash player is behind the current pee-cee release...). as we roll into the age of MS Vista and start to see Microsoft and others try to tighten their grip over the "user experience" (just who is "trusted" when you have TCPA running anyway?) and people will force this issue to a head if significant numbers of them exit the Windows building for other platforms (and i really hope we do!). Noel - you are missing the point. the layer of CRAP that VH1 slapped on OK Go’s video was TOTALLY UNNECESSARY. the video was unprotected. why did VH1 feel a need to protect something that was unprotected??

all that VH1 is accomplishing is alienating a portion of their userbase by cooperating with Microsoft’s crude attempts at platform lock-in. why commercial websites (who theoretically at least) want to achieve the broadest user base & capture the most eyeballs use proprietary plugins and multimedia formats is completely beyond me. it is really hurting their business with mac users and linux users (don’t get me started about how far the linux flash player is behind the current pee-cee release…).

as we roll into the age of MS Vista and start to see Microsoft and others try to tighten their grip over the “user experience” (just who is “trusted” when you have TCPA running anyway?) and people will force this issue to a head if significant numbers of them exit the Windows building for other platforms (and i really hope we do!).

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55209 Noel Le Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:37:49 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-55209 ***The presence of DRM in this case hurts everyone: it hurts OK Go by reducing the number of people who will learn about their music. It hurts VH1, whose website is made less useful to potential visitors. And it hurts Mac users, who are excluded from using the site.***<br><br>Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website. That would provide substitutional relief, unless you find some inherent benefit in getting music from VH1 that far outweighs other resources. You're thinking is similar to: "I found an open parking spot, but wow, the spot is too small for my car, rather than simply park somewhere else I'll examine and hypothesize how it would be beneficial to everyone if the spot was larger." ***The presence of DRM in this case hurts everyone: it hurts OK Go by reducing the number of people who will learn about their music. It hurts VH1, whose website is made less useful to potential visitors. And it hurts Mac users, who are excluded from using the site.***

Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website. That would provide substitutional relief, unless you find some inherent benefit in getting music from VH1 that far outweighs other resources. You’re thinking is similar to: “I found an open parking spot, but wow, the spot is too small for my car, rather than simply park somewhere else I’ll examine and hypothesize how it would be beneficial to everyone if the spot was larger.”

]]> By: Noel Le http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34529 Noel Le Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:37:49 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/08/16/ok-go-and-drm/#comment-34529 ***The presence of DRM in this case hurts everyone: it hurts OK Go by reducing the number of people who will learn about their music. It hurts VH1, whose website is made less useful to potential visitors. And it hurts Mac users, who are excluded from using the site.*** Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website. That would provide substitutional relief, unless you find some inherent benefit in getting music from VH1 that far outweighs other resources. You're thinking is similar to: "I found an open parking spot, but wow, the spot is too small for my car, rather than simply park somewhere else I'll examine and hypothesize how it would be beneficial to everyone if the spot was larger." ***The presence of DRM in this case hurts everyone: it hurts OK Go by reducing the number of people who will learn about their music. It hurts VH1, whose website is made less useful to potential visitors. And it hurts Mac users, who are excluded from using the site.***

Man, you must have been absolutely intent on accessing the music from VH1 with your Mac. Most users would just go to another website. That would provide substitutional relief, unless you find some inherent benefit in getting music from VH1 that far outweighs other resources. You’re thinking is similar to: “I found an open parking spot, but wow, the spot is too small for my car, rather than simply park somewhere else I’ll examine and hypothesize how it would be beneficial to everyone if the spot was larger.”

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