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		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34205</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34204</link>
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		<title>By: tramadol</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55234</link>
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		<title>By: Nel</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34203</link>
		<dc:creator>Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, on the contrary - I think that the grid and electric cars can actually help each other. Most cars will be charged at night during low consumption. This will allow a larger percentage of the electricity to be produced by nuclear which needs extended periods to change their output power and cannot follow the day and night fluctuations in consumption. Nuclear is actually greener than coal since the volume of waste is small and due to this reason can be well contained. (most of it being solid) While a potencial risk is present using nuclear, the alterative - coal is destined (not potencially but surely) to cause problems. Carbon dioxide acts as a trigger mechanism causing the initial global warming providing for the release of the captured in ice methane (in Siberia) during melting - thus further and much more violently accelerating the green-house effect due to methane. Think about it! Going electric may be positive after all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, on the contrary &#8211; I think that the grid and electric cars can actually help each other. Most cars will be charged at night during low consumption. This will allow a larger percentage of the electricity to be produced by nuclear which needs extended periods to change their output power and cannot follow the day and night fluctuations in consumption. Nuclear is actually greener than coal since the volume of waste is small and due to this reason can be well contained. (most of it being solid) While a potencial risk is present using nuclear, the alterative &#8211; coal is destined (not potencially but surely) to cause problems. Carbon dioxide acts as a trigger mechanism causing the initial global warming providing for the release of the captured in ice methane (in Siberia) during melting &#8211; thus further and much more violently accelerating the green-house effect due to methane. Think about it! Going electric may be positive after all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Nel</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55233</link>
		<dc:creator>Nel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jan 2007 10:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, on the contrary - I think that the grid and electric cars can actually help each other. Most cars will be charged at night during low consumption. This will allow a larger percentage of the electricity to be produced by nuclear which needs extended periods to change their output power and cannot follow the day and night fluctuations in consumption. Nuclear is actually greener than coal since the volume of waste is small and due to this reason can be well contained. (most of it being solid) While a potencial risk is present using nuclear, the alterative - coal is destined (not potencially but surely) to cause problems. Carbon dioxide acts as a trigger mechanism causing the initial global warming providing for the release of the captured in ice methane (in Siberia) during melting - thus further and much more violently accelerating the green-house effect due to methane. Think about it! Going electric may be positive after all.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, on the contrary &#8211; I think that the grid and electric cars can actually help each other. Most cars will be charged at night during low consumption. This will allow a larger percentage of the electricity to be produced by nuclear which needs extended periods to change their output power and cannot follow the day and night fluctuations in consumption. Nuclear is actually greener than coal since the volume of waste is small and due to this reason can be well contained. (most of it being solid) While a potencial risk is present using nuclear, the alterative &#8211; coal is destined (not potencially but surely) to cause problems. Carbon dioxide acts as a trigger mechanism causing the initial global warming providing for the release of the captured in ice methane (in Siberia) during melting &#8211; thus further and much more violently accelerating the green-house effect due to methane. Think about it! Going electric may be positive after all.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: short url</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34202</link>
		<dc:creator>short url</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;eee921c2c15a Good work     http:/0zu.tw/ short url&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: short url</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55232</link>
		<dc:creator>short url</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34201</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the Tesla is basically a stupid idea and can only fail.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55231</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 12:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the Tesla is basically a stupid idea and can only fail.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34200</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#039;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#039;greens&#039; would least like to see.  Please don&#039;t believe all the hype.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#8217;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#8216;greens&#8217; would least like to see.  Please don&#8217;t believe all the hype.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55230</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#039;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#039;greens&#039; would least like to see.  Please don&#039;t believe all the hype.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#8217;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#8216;greens&#8217; would least like to see.  Please don&#8217;t believe all the hype.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34199</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#039;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#039;greens&#039; would least like to see.  Please don&#039;t believe all the hype.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#8217;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#8216;greens&#8217; would least like to see.  Please don&#8217;t believe all the hype.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Brian C</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55229</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 23:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#039;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#039;greens&#039; would least like to see.  Please don&#039;t believe all the hype.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an electrical engineer I think electric don&#8217;t add up.  The range is much less than the manufacturers claim.  GM claimed that the EV1 could do 150 miles on a charges.  Drivers got more like 45 miles.  Batteries are very expensive.  To get any range you have to crawl along.  Widespread use would put a strain of the power infrastructure.  It might lead to more nuclear ststions, they very things that &#8216;greens&#8217; would least like to see.  Please don&#8217;t believe all the hype.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Salil Maniktahla</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55228</link>
		<dc:creator>Salil Maniktahla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Battery design doesn&#039;t hold to any sort of &quot;doubling law&quot; like Moore&#039;s Law, which also isn&#039;t a law. I agree, though, that battery design should make some major leaps ahead thanks to market impetus like it&#039;s currently enjoying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So how about someone starts working on airplanes, now? Those things take about 30,000 lbs of fuel each trip. That&#039;s a lot of JP-5...blimps, anyone? :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery design doesn&#8217;t hold to any sort of &#8220;doubling law&#8221; like Moore&#8217;s Law, which also isn&#8217;t a law. I agree, though, that battery design should make some major leaps ahead thanks to market impetus like it&#8217;s currently enjoying.<br /><br />So how about someone starts working on airplanes, now? Those things take about 30,000 lbs of fuel each trip. That&#8217;s a lot of JP-5&#8230;blimps, anyone? <img src='http://techliberation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Salil Maniktahla</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34198</link>
		<dc:creator>Salil Maniktahla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Battery design doesn&#039;t hold to any sort of &quot;doubling law&quot; like Moore&#039;s Law, which also isn&#039;t a law. I agree, though, that battery design should make some major leaps ahead thanks to market impetus like it&#039;s currently enjoying.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So how about someone starts working on airplanes, now? Those things take about 30,000 lbs of fuel each trip. That&#039;s a lot of JP-5...blimps, anyone? :-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery design doesn&#8217;t hold to any sort of &#8220;doubling law&#8221; like Moore&#8217;s Law, which also isn&#8217;t a law. I agree, though, that battery design should make some major leaps ahead thanks to market impetus like it&#8217;s currently enjoying.</p>

<p>So how about someone starts working on airplanes, now? Those things take about 30,000 lbs of fuel each trip. That&#8217;s a lot of JP-5&#8230;blimps, anyone? <img src='http://techliberation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Julian Klappenbach</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55227</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Klappenbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 04:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The battery revolution that lead to the Tesla Roadster was driven by the demand generated by laptop computers.  Over the past few years, batteries have seen a growth that, while not matching the curve of Moore&#039;s &quot;law&quot;, has seen improvements resulting in a doubling of capacity and power.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Over the next few years, I should expect this trend to continue.  The net result is that battery cost should decrease accordingly.  What this means is that after 3 generations of doubling (about the limit that we may see for energy density possible through nano-technology), our Tesla&#039;s batteries would cost around $3,000 in todays dollars.  But at that point in time, the top-of-the-line batteries would give a 1,600 mile range.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Companies like Tesla are poised to ride this curve, and will have a lead in both technology R&amp;D; as well as a lock on the world-wide capacity that will make it difficult for any car makers not wise enough to establish partnerships out in the cold.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bottom line, this is going to come on like a freight train.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How long will this take?  While computing power doubles around once every 18 months, we&#039;ve seen battery designs double every 36 months.  So, 3 generations would put us out at about a decade.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;10 years from now, the automotive marketplace is going to look quite different.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s about time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battery revolution that lead to the Tesla Roadster was driven by the demand generated by laptop computers.  Over the past few years, batteries have seen a growth that, while not matching the curve of Moore&#8217;s &#8220;law&#8221;, has seen improvements resulting in a doubling of capacity and power.<br /><br />Over the next few years, I should expect this trend to continue.  The net result is that battery cost should decrease accordingly.  What this means is that after 3 generations of doubling (about the limit that we may see for energy density possible through nano-technology), our Tesla&#8217;s batteries would cost around $3,000 in todays dollars.  But at that point in time, the top-of-the-line batteries would give a 1,600 mile range.<br /><br />Companies like Tesla are poised to ride this curve, and will have a lead in both technology R&#038;D; as well as a lock on the world-wide capacity that will make it difficult for any car makers not wise enough to establish partnerships out in the cold.<br /><br />Bottom line, this is going to come on like a freight train.<br /><br />How long will this take?  While computing power doubles around once every 18 months, we&#8217;ve seen battery designs double every 36 months.  So, 3 generations would put us out at about a decade.<br /><br />10 years from now, the automotive marketplace is going to look quite different.<br /><br />It&#8217;s about time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Julian Klappenbach</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34197</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Klappenbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 03:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The battery revolution that lead to the Tesla Roadster was driven by the demand generated by laptop computers.  Over the past few years, batteries have seen a growth that, while not matching the curve of Moore&#039;s &quot;law&quot;, has seen improvements resulting in a doubling of capacity and power.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Over the next few years, I should expect this trend to continue.  The net result is that battery cost should decrease accordingly.  What this means is that after 3 generations of doubling (about the limit that we may see for energy density possible through nano-technology), our Tesla&#039;s batteries would cost around $3,000 in todays dollars.  But at that point in time, the top-of-the-line batteries would give a 1,600 mile range.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Companies like Tesla are poised to ride this curve, and will have a lead in both technology R&amp;D as well as a lock on the world-wide capacity that will make it difficult for any car makers not wise enough to establish partnerships out in the cold.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Bottom line, this is going to come on like a freight train.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;How long will this take?  While computing power doubles around once every 18 months, we&#039;ve seen battery designs double every 36 months.  So, 3 generations would put us out at about a decade.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;10 years from now, the automotive marketplace is going to look quite different.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s about time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The battery revolution that lead to the Tesla Roadster was driven by the demand generated by laptop computers.  Over the past few years, batteries have seen a growth that, while not matching the curve of Moore&#8217;s &#8220;law&#8221;, has seen improvements resulting in a doubling of capacity and power.</p>

<p>Over the next few years, I should expect this trend to continue.  The net result is that battery cost should decrease accordingly.  What this means is that after 3 generations of doubling (about the limit that we may see for energy density possible through nano-technology), our Tesla&#8217;s batteries would cost around $3,000 in todays dollars.  But at that point in time, the top-of-the-line batteries would give a 1,600 mile range.</p>

<p>Companies like Tesla are poised to ride this curve, and will have a lead in both technology R&amp;D as well as a lock on the world-wide capacity that will make it difficult for any car makers not wise enough to establish partnerships out in the cold.</p>

<p>Bottom line, this is going to come on like a freight train.</p>

<p>How long will this take?  While computing power doubles around once every 18 months, we&#8217;ve seen battery designs double every 36 months.  So, 3 generations would put us out at about a decade.</p>

<p>10 years from now, the automotive marketplace is going to look quite different.</p>

<p>It&#8217;s about time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: david Frank</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55226</link>
		<dc:creator>david Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very excited about the styling of the Tesla.  Too often breakthroughs mean &quot;bland&quot; styling or taste like the beginning days of health foods and early laptops.  These guys got it right, it seems to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But, the serious questions do remain.  (1) Can&#039;t they get the recharge time lower? (2) Extended range:  I hear that Tesla may be offering a &quot;spare&quot; power source to extend the range a bit....but how far?  (2).  What is the battery life and cost to replace?  Perhaps if battery life is low, they can include another set in the warranty and by playing the numbers and pricing and warranty game, may be able to include spare battery set (when needed), as part of the purchase price.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m presently living in Las Vegas.  If you look at the graphic representation of the vehicles range, you&#039;ll notice that it is just outside the Los Angeles home range.  If you took off from LA to Vegas, you would end up, out of power somewhere around Baker....OK, so you&#039;d get to see the World&#039;s Largest Thermometer while you charged up and waited at Denny&#039;s with a Burger and fries!  Seriously, if they can extend the range to LV from LA, they would get a serious boost in orders as our tourism continues to climb and the LA/LV freeway provides a significant percentage of the activity.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Overall, I&#039;ve been waiting for a car like this for 30 years.  I do hope they get to the next level of battery technology, but the styling is already here!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very excited about the styling of the Tesla.  Too often breakthroughs mean &#8220;bland&#8221; styling or taste like the beginning days of health foods and early laptops.  These guys got it right, it seems to me.<br /><br />But, the serious questions do remain.  (1) Can&#8217;t they get the recharge time lower? (2) Extended range:  I hear that Tesla may be offering a &#8220;spare&#8221; power source to extend the range a bit&#8230;.but how far?  (2).  What is the battery life and cost to replace?  Perhaps if battery life is low, they can include another set in the warranty and by playing the numbers and pricing and warranty game, may be able to include spare battery set (when needed), as part of the purchase price.<br /><br />I&#8217;m presently living in Las Vegas.  If you look at the graphic representation of the vehicles range, you&#8217;ll notice that it is just outside the Los Angeles home range.  If you took off from LA to Vegas, you would end up, out of power somewhere around Baker&#8230;.OK, so you&#8217;d get to see the World&#8217;s Largest Thermometer while you charged up and waited at Denny&#8217;s with a Burger and fries!  Seriously, if they can extend the range to LV from LA, they would get a serious boost in orders as our tourism continues to climb and the LA/LV freeway provides a significant percentage of the activity.<br /><br />Overall, I&#8217;ve been waiting for a car like this for 30 years.  I do hope they get to the next level of battery technology, but the styling is already here!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: david Frank</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34196</link>
		<dc:creator>david Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very excited about the styling of the Tesla.  Too often breakthroughs mean &quot;bland&quot; styling or taste like the beginning days of health foods and early laptops.  These guys got it right, it seems to me.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, the serious questions do remain.  (1) Can&#039;t they get the recharge time lower? (2) Extended range:  I hear that Tesla may be offering a &quot;spare&quot; power source to extend the range a bit....but how far?  (2).  What is the battery life and cost to replace?  Perhaps if battery life is low, they can include another set in the warranty and by playing the numbers and pricing and warranty game, may be able to include spare battery set (when needed), as part of the purchase price.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m presently living in Las Vegas.  If you look at the graphic representation of the vehicles range, you&#039;ll notice that it is just outside the Los Angeles home range.  If you took off from LA to Vegas, you would end up, out of power somewhere around Baker....OK, so you&#039;d get to see the World&#039;s Largest Thermometer while you charged up and waited at Denny&#039;s with a Burger and fries!  Seriously, if they can extend the range to LV from LA, they would get a serious boost in orders as our tourism continues to climb and the LA/LV freeway provides a significant percentage of the activity.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Overall, I&#039;ve been waiting for a car like this for 30 years.  I do hope they get to the next level of battery technology, but the styling is already here!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very excited about the styling of the Tesla.  Too often breakthroughs mean &#8220;bland&#8221; styling or taste like the beginning days of health foods and early laptops.  These guys got it right, it seems to me.</p>

<p>But, the serious questions do remain.  (1) Can&#8217;t they get the recharge time lower? (2) Extended range:  I hear that Tesla may be offering a &#8220;spare&#8221; power source to extend the range a bit&#8230;.but how far?  (2).  What is the battery life and cost to replace?  Perhaps if battery life is low, they can include another set in the warranty and by playing the numbers and pricing and warranty game, may be able to include spare battery set (when needed), as part of the purchase price.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m presently living in Las Vegas.  If you look at the graphic representation of the vehicles range, you&#8217;ll notice that it is just outside the Los Angeles home range.  If you took off from LA to Vegas, you would end up, out of power somewhere around Baker&#8230;.OK, so you&#8217;d get to see the World&#8217;s Largest Thermometer while you charged up and waited at Denny&#8217;s with a Burger and fries!  Seriously, if they can extend the range to LV from LA, they would get a serious boost in orders as our tourism continues to climb and the LA/LV freeway provides a significant percentage of the activity.</p>

<p>Overall, I&#8217;ve been waiting for a car like this for 30 years.  I do hope they get to the next level of battery technology, but the styling is already here!</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55225</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 05:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem is that many people think that gas will ALWAYS remain at $3 a gallon. What will they say when it will reach 6 or 8 buck a gallon ? PETROL HAS A LIMITED FUTURE  because petrol has a limited quantity. Don&#039;t make comparaisons saying &quot;today my car makes 300 miles with a fuel tank.&quot; In 20 years from now you will have to sell your house to pay for the same fuel tank.&lt;br&gt;20 years ago, you had not many people driving cars in India, China, Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR. Not to think other emerging markets. Today these nations want the same ever-shrinking quantity of petrol. Now think about having a little wind turbine or solar panels that will give you FREE energy for your vehicule, that is why Teslamotors has a future. &quot;Normal humans&quot; will accept the fact that in order to commute they have to plug-in their cars. &quot;$uper humans&quot; will likely pay $600 000.00 to fill up their cars and show off how much &quot;in a hurry&quot; they are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that many people think that gas will ALWAYS remain at $3 a gallon. What will they say when it will reach 6 or 8 buck a gallon ? PETROL HAS A LIMITED FUTURE  because petrol has a limited quantity. Don&#8217;t make comparaisons saying &#8220;today my car makes 300 miles with a fuel tank.&#8221; In 20 years from now you will have to sell your house to pay for the same fuel tank.<br />20 years ago, you had not many people driving cars in India, China, Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR. Not to think other emerging markets. Today these nations want the same ever-shrinking quantity of petrol. Now think about having a little wind turbine or solar panels that will give you FREE energy for your vehicule, that is why Teslamotors has a future. &#8220;Normal humans&#8221; will accept the fact that in order to commute they have to plug-in their cars. &#8220;$uper humans&#8221; will likely pay $600 000.00 to fill up their cars and show off how much &#8220;in a hurry&#8221; they are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34195</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 04:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The problem is that many people think that gas will ALWAYS remain at $3 a gallon. What will they say when it will reach 6 or 8 buck a gallon ? PETROL HAS A LIMITED FUTURE  because petrol has a limited quantity. Don&#039;t make comparaisons saying &quot;today my car makes 300 miles with a fuel tank.&quot; In 20 years from now you will have to sell your house to pay for the same fuel tank.
20 years ago, you had not many people driving cars in India, China, Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR. Not to think other emerging markets. Today these nations want the same ever-shrinking quantity of petrol. Now think about having a little wind turbine or solar panels that will give you FREE energy for your vehicule, that is why Teslamotors has a future. &quot;Normal humans&quot; will accept the fact that in order to commute they have to plug-in their cars. &quot;$uper humans&quot; will likely pay $600 000.00 to fill up their cars and show off how much &quot;in a hurry&quot; they are.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that many people think that gas will ALWAYS remain at $3 a gallon. What will they say when it will reach 6 or 8 buck a gallon ? PETROL HAS A LIMITED FUTURE  because petrol has a limited quantity. Don&#8217;t make comparaisons saying &#8220;today my car makes 300 miles with a fuel tank.&#8221; In 20 years from now you will have to sell your house to pay for the same fuel tank.
20 years ago, you had not many people driving cars in India, China, Eastern Europe and the ex-USSR. Not to think other emerging markets. Today these nations want the same ever-shrinking quantity of petrol. Now think about having a little wind turbine or solar panels that will give you FREE energy for your vehicule, that is why Teslamotors has a future. &#8220;Normal humans&#8221; will accept the fact that in order to commute they have to plug-in their cars. &#8220;$uper humans&#8221; will likely pay $600 000.00 to fill up their cars and show off how much &#8220;in a hurry&#8221; they are.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul Slater</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55224</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greetings: You cannot imagine the pleasure that this geezer experienced when learning in the Economist of the Tesla car. Finally, the brilliance, the genius, of Nikola Tesla will be getting the recognition he so clearly deserved. (I am assuming, of course, that the name was chosen in recognition of Tesla&#039;s prodigious accomplishments and, that she is powered by an AC motor.) Surely any people will learn about the genesis of the company name. My personal experience was with 2 cycle (Winton type) Diesel engines. I often hoped that this engine could be downsized for passenger car use and also fantasized that this engine could be modified for use w/ gasoline or natural gas.Mine was the MacArthur approach, incremental forward motion. Yours is the Admiral Nimitz approach, move ahead, skipping unimportant (di)versions. I was Navy and agreed w/ Nimitz. Sad to say I am well into geezerhood so I may not get to see the Tesla out on the roads. Even sadder, of course, there ios no way I could afford one. But don&#039;t rule me out. Tomorrow I start buying lottery tickets! Regarding engine sounds my favorite car of all time was a &#039;64 Volvo 122S with a B18D engine The sound she made as I moved up thru the gears was marvelous indeed.  Paul Slater 88 Maynard Road, Northampton, MA 01060  &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:mslater@hampshire.edu&quot;&gt;mslater@hampshire.edu&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings: You cannot imagine the pleasure that this geezer experienced when learning in the Economist of the Tesla car. Finally, the brilliance, the genius, of Nikola Tesla will be getting the recognition he so clearly deserved. (I am assuming, of course, that the name was chosen in recognition of Tesla&#8217;s prodigious accomplishments and, that she is powered by an AC motor.) Surely any people will learn about the genesis of the company name. My personal experience was with 2 cycle (Winton type) Diesel engines. I often hoped that this engine could be downsized for passenger car use and also fantasized that this engine could be modified for use w/ gasoline or natural gas.Mine was the MacArthur approach, incremental forward motion. Yours is the Admiral Nimitz approach, move ahead, skipping unimportant (di)versions. I was Navy and agreed w/ Nimitz. Sad to say I am well into geezerhood so I may not get to see the Tesla out on the roads. Even sadder, of course, there ios no way I could afford one. But don&#8217;t rule me out. Tomorrow I start buying lottery tickets! Regarding engine sounds my favorite car of all time was a &#8217;64 Volvo 122S with a B18D engine The sound she made as I moved up thru the gears was marvelous indeed.  Paul Slater 88 Maynard Road, Northampton, MA 01060  <a href="mailto:mslater@hampshire.edu">mslater@hampshire.edu</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Paul Slater</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34194</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Slater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greetings: You cannot imagine the pleasure that this geezer experienced when learning in the Economist of the Tesla car. Finally, the brilliance, the genius, of Nikola Tesla will be getting the recognition he so clearly deserved. (I am assuming, of course, that the name was chosen in recognition of Tesla&#039;s prodigious accomplishments and, that she is powered by an AC motor.) Surely any people will learn about the genesis of the company name. My personal experience was with 2 cycle (Winton type) Diesel engines. I often hoped that this engine could be downsized for passenger car use and also fantasized that this engine could be modified for use w/ gasoline or natural gas.Mine was the MacArthur approach, incremental forward motion. Yours is the Admiral Nimitz approach, move ahead, skipping unimportant (di)versions. I was Navy and agreed w/ Nimitz. Sad to say I am well into geezerhood so I may not get to see the Tesla out on the roads. Even sadder, of course, there ios no way I could afford one. But don&#039;t rule me out. Tomorrow I start buying lottery tickets! Regarding engine sounds my favorite car of all time was a &#039;64 Volvo 122S with a B18D engine The sound she made as I moved up thru the gears was marvelous indeed.  Paul Slater 88 Maynard Road, Northampton, MA 01060  mslater@hampshire.edu.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings: You cannot imagine the pleasure that this geezer experienced when learning in the Economist of the Tesla car. Finally, the brilliance, the genius, of Nikola Tesla will be getting the recognition he so clearly deserved. (I am assuming, of course, that the name was chosen in recognition of Tesla&#8217;s prodigious accomplishments and, that she is powered by an AC motor.) Surely any people will learn about the genesis of the company name. My personal experience was with 2 cycle (Winton type) Diesel engines. I often hoped that this engine could be downsized for passenger car use and also fantasized that this engine could be modified for use w/ gasoline or natural gas.Mine was the MacArthur approach, incremental forward motion. Yours is the Admiral Nimitz approach, move ahead, skipping unimportant (di)versions. I was Navy and agreed w/ Nimitz. Sad to say I am well into geezerhood so I may not get to see the Tesla out on the roads. Even sadder, of course, there ios no way I could afford one. But don&#8217;t rule me out. Tomorrow I start buying lottery tickets! Regarding engine sounds my favorite car of all time was a &#8217;64 Volvo 122S with a B18D engine The sound she made as I moved up thru the gears was marvelous indeed.  Paul Slater 88 Maynard Road, Northampton, MA 01060  <a href="mailto:mslater@hampshire.edu">mslater@hampshire.edu</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55223</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim: you might want to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/mechanical-resonance-the-tesla-motors-press-intro-complete-with-governator-188590.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the coverage from Jalopnik&lt;/a&gt; for a little more info and some amusing Guvernator pictures. The article cites a 3.5 hour charging time using the special charger (presumably for your garage) but also overnight charging from a standard plug. (This is something the GM EV1 could not do at all- it only charged from the special charger.) So you could take road trips, but only in 200 mile increments, basically.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: you might want to read <a href="http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/mechanical-resonance-the-tesla-motors-press-intro-complete-with-governator-188590.php" rel="nofollow">the coverage from Jalopnik</a> for a little more info and some amusing Guvernator pictures. The article cites a 3.5 hour charging time using the special charger (presumably for your garage) but also overnight charging from a standard plug. (This is something the GM EV1 could not do at all- it only charged from the special charger.) So you could take road trips, but only in 200 mile increments, basically.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Luis</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34193</link>
		<dc:creator>Luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tim: you might want to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/mechanical-resonance-the-tesla-motors-press-intro-complete-with-governator-188590.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the coverage from Jalopnik&lt;/a&gt; for a little more info and some amusing Guvernator pictures. The article cites a 3.5 hour charging time using the special charger (presumably for your garage) but also overnight charging from a standard plug. (This is something the GM EV1 could not do at all- it only charged from the special charger.) So you could take road trips, but only in 200 mile increments, basically.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: you might want to read <a href="http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/mechanical-resonance-the-tesla-motors-press-intro-complete-with-governator-188590.php" rel="nofollow">the coverage from Jalopnik</a> for a little more info and some amusing Guvernator pictures. The article cites a 3.5 hour charging time using the special charger (presumably for your garage) but also overnight charging from a standard plug. (This is something the GM EV1 could not do at all- it only charged from the special charger.) So you could take road trips, but only in 200 mile increments, basically.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55222</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I agree this will probably be a hit with rich people--they don&#039;t do road trips anyway. The interesting question is whether they can build cars that normal people can afford to own. If they can build a car that costs $25,000 and can go 400 miles on a charge, then Detroit will have something to worry about.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also wonder about battery life. My experience is that laptop batteries tend to last about 2 years before they need replacement. If these car batteries have a similar life cycle, does that mean you&#039;ll need to shell out thousands of dollars to swap out your battery pack every two years?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree this will probably be a hit with rich people&#8211;they don&#8217;t do road trips anyway. The interesting question is whether they can build cars that normal people can afford to own. If they can build a car that costs $25,000 and can go 400 miles on a charge, then Detroit will have something to worry about.<br /><br />I also wonder about battery life. My experience is that laptop batteries tend to last about 2 years before they need replacement. If these car batteries have a similar life cycle, does that mean you&#8217;ll need to shell out thousands of dollars to swap out your battery pack every two years?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim Lee</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34192</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I agree this will probably be a hit with rich people--they don&#039;t do road trips anyway. The interesting question is whether they can build cars that normal people can afford to own. If they can build a car that costs $25,000 and can go 400 miles on a charge, then Detroit will have something to worry about.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I also wonder about battery life. My experience is that laptop batteries tend to last about 2 years before they need replacement. If these car batteries have a similar life cycle, does that mean you&#039;ll need to shell out thousands of dollars to swap out your battery pack every two years?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree this will probably be a hit with rich people&#8211;they don&#8217;t do road trips anyway. The interesting question is whether they can build cars that normal people can afford to own. If they can build a car that costs $25,000 and can go 400 miles on a charge, then Detroit will have something to worry about.</p>

<p>I also wonder about battery life. My experience is that laptop batteries tend to last about 2 years before they need replacement. If these car batteries have a similar life cycle, does that mean you&#8217;ll need to shell out thousands of dollars to swap out your battery pack every two years?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-55221</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think that the sort of people who they are targetting will be phased in the least by the cost of replacing the batteries. I also can&#039;t imagine it being that important for them to take this thing on the road. It might actually end up being really cheap for a lot of eccentric rich people to own. If they have solar panels, they can essentially fill this baby up for free during the day then take it out on the town at night.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the sort of people who they are targetting will be phased in the least by the cost of replacing the batteries. I also can&#8217;t imagine it being that important for them to take this thing on the road. It might actually end up being really cheap for a lot of eccentric rich people to own. If they have solar panels, they can essentially fill this baby up for free during the day then take it out on the town at night.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/07/24/tesla-motors/comment-page-1/#comment-34191</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think that the sort of people who they are targetting will be phased in the least by the cost of replacing the batteries. I also can&#039;t imagine it being that important for them to take this thing on the road. It might actually end up being really cheap for a lot of eccentric rich people to own. If they have solar panels, they can essentially fill this baby up for free during the day then take it out on the town at night.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that the sort of people who they are targetting will be phased in the least by the cost of replacing the batteries. I also can&#8217;t imagine it being that important for them to take this thing on the road. It might actually end up being really cheap for a lot of eccentric rich people to own. If they have solar panels, they can essentially fill this baby up for free during the day then take it out on the town at night.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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