Comments on: Backlash http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Mon, 13 Feb 2012 21:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: eee_eff http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-55107 eee_eff Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:41:24 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-55107 <p><i>And remember the public outcry over the FCC's minor tweaks to media ownership rules? It's just not that difficult to generate a populist backlash against the abuses of media companies.</i><br></p> <p><br>No, there is nothing MINOR about the continuing corruption of our media.<br></p> And remember the public outcry over the FCC’s minor tweaks to media ownership rules? It’s just not that difficult to generate a populist backlash against the abuses of media companies.


No, there is nothing MINOR about the continuing corruption of our media.

]]> By: enigma_foundry http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-34119 enigma_foundry Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:41:24 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-34119 <p><i>And remember the public outcry over the FCC's minor tweaks to media ownership rules? It's just not that difficult to generate a populist backlash against the abuses of media companies.</i></p> <p> No, there is nothing MINOR about the continuing corruption of our media. </p> And remember the public outcry over the FCC’s minor tweaks to media ownership rules? It’s just not that difficult to generate a populist backlash against the abuses of media companies.

No, there is nothing MINOR about the continuing corruption of our media.

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-55106 Tim Lee Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:50:43 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-55106 <p>Obviously, if the telcos start discriminating in a way no one can prove, there's nothing we can do about that. But that argument cuts in both directions: we won't be able to do anything about it with or without regulations, right?</p> Obviously, if the telcos start discriminating in a way no one can prove, there’s nothing we can do about that. But that argument cuts in both directions: we won’t be able to do anything about it with or without regulations, right?

]]> By: Tim Lee http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-34118 Tim Lee Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:50:43 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-34118 <p>Obviously, if the telcos start discriminating in a way no one can prove, there's nothing we can do about that. But that argument cuts in both directions: we won't be able to do anything about it with or without regulations, right?</p> Obviously, if the telcos start discriminating in a way no one can prove, there’s nothing we can do about that. But that argument cuts in both directions: we won’t be able to do anything about it with or without regulations, right?

]]> By: Constance Reader http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-55105 Constance Reader Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:14:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-55105 <p>I believe that you have both missed the point of Felten's paper -- that discrimination could take the form of induced/maintained jitter in the network, but it is almost impossible to determine if jitter is a natural occurring phenomenon of the network architecture, or artifically induced to degrade service. Or more ambiguous yet, a naturally occurring phenomenon that the ISP takes no steps to correct because the result is degradation of service, which benefits the ISP.<br><br>And while it is perhaps true that the ISPs have not attempted discrimination -- but again, we can't possibly know for certain, given the above -- the cell phone companies most certainly have. Hit the web on your internet-enabled cell phone, and make note of the sites and service that you can NOT access. Say, Vonage, for example.</p> I believe that you have both missed the point of Felten’s paper — that discrimination could take the form of induced/maintained jitter in the network, but it is almost impossible to determine if jitter is a natural occurring phenomenon of the network architecture, or artifically induced to degrade service. Or more ambiguous yet, a naturally occurring phenomenon that the ISP takes no steps to correct because the result is degradation of service, which benefits the ISP.

And while it is perhaps true that the ISPs have not attempted discrimination — but again, we can’t possibly know for certain, given the above — the cell phone companies most certainly have. Hit the web on your internet-enabled cell phone, and make note of the sites and service that you can NOT access. Say, Vonage, for example.

]]> By: Constance Reader http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/comment-page-1/#comment-34117 Constance Reader Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:14:44 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/07/13/backlash/#comment-34117 <p>I believe that you have both missed the point of Felten's paper -- that discrimination could take the form of induced/maintained jitter in the network, but it is almost impossible to determine if jitter is a natural occurring phenomenon of the network architecture, or artifically induced to degrade service. Or more ambiguous yet, a naturally occurring phenomenon that the ISP takes no steps to correct because the result is degradation of service, which benefits the ISP.</p> <p>And while it is perhaps true that the ISPs have not attempted discrimination -- but again, we can't possibly know for certain, given the above -- the cell phone companies most certainly have. Hit the web on your internet-enabled cell phone, and make note of the sites and service that you can NOT access. Say, Vonage, for example.</p> I believe that you have both missed the point of Felten’s paper — that discrimination could take the form of induced/maintained jitter in the network, but it is almost impossible to determine if jitter is a natural occurring phenomenon of the network architecture, or artifically induced to degrade service. Or more ambiguous yet, a naturally occurring phenomenon that the ISP takes no steps to correct because the result is degradation of service, which benefits the ISP.

And while it is perhaps true that the ISPs have not attempted discrimination — but again, we can’t possibly know for certain, given the above — the cell phone companies most certainly have. Hit the web on your internet-enabled cell phone, and make note of the sites and service that you can NOT access. Say, Vonage, for example.

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