Comments on: Steve 2, RIAA 0 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Fri, 25 May 2012 13:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Tim http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-53614 Tim Thu, 04 May 2006 20:21:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-53614 <p>Jerry,<br><br>I don't have any particular opinion about how music should be priced. Certainly, there are some songs that could be sold for substantially more than 99 cents, but on the other hand, the simplicity of the 99-cent pricing scheme is a major selling point. My guess is that Steve knows most of any price increase would go into the labels' pockets, and so he prefers to hold the price down in order to help build market share.<br><br>My point was simply that the labels are already finding themselves in a weak position at the negotiating table, and that their position will get even weaker as the digital download market grows. They desperately need to find a way to sell music that doesn't lock them into any one vendor's proprietary technology so they can retain their ability to play one vendor off another. So far, they seem to be failing to do that.</p> Jerry,

I don’t have any particular opinion about how music should be priced. Certainly, there are some songs that could be sold for substantially more than 99 cents, but on the other hand, the simplicity of the 99-cent pricing scheme is a major selling point. My guess is that Steve knows most of any price increase would go into the labels’ pockets, and so he prefers to hold the price down in order to help build market share.

My point was simply that the labels are already finding themselves in a weak position at the negotiating table, and that their position will get even weaker as the digital download market grows. They desperately need to find a way to sell music that doesn’t lock them into any one vendor’s proprietary technology so they can retain their ability to play one vendor off another. So far, they seem to be failing to do that.

]]> By: Tim http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-33300 Tim Thu, 04 May 2006 19:21:40 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-33300 <p>Jerry,</p> <p>I don't have any particular opinion about how music should be priced. Certainly, there are some songs that could be sold for substantially more than 99 cents, but on the other hand, the simplicity of the 99-cent pricing scheme is a major selling point. My guess is that Steve knows most of any price increase would go into the labels' pockets, and so he prefers to hold the price down in order to help build market share.</p> <p>My point was simply that the labels are already finding themselves in a weak position at the negotiating table, and that their position will get even weaker as the digital download market grows. They desperately need to find a way to sell music that doesn't lock them into any one vendor's proprietary technology so they can retain their ability to play one vendor off another. So far, they seem to be failing to do that.</p> Jerry,

I don’t have any particular opinion about how music should be priced. Certainly, there are some songs that could be sold for substantially more than 99 cents, but on the other hand, the simplicity of the 99-cent pricing scheme is a major selling point. My guess is that Steve knows most of any price increase would go into the labels’ pockets, and so he prefers to hold the price down in order to help build market share.

My point was simply that the labels are already finding themselves in a weak position at the negotiating table, and that their position will get even weaker as the digital download market grows. They desperately need to find a way to sell music that doesn’t lock them into any one vendor’s proprietary technology so they can retain their ability to play one vendor off another. So far, they seem to be failing to do that.

]]> By: Jerry Brito http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-53613 Jerry Brito Thu, 04 May 2006 18:58:18 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-53613 <p>Tim, you will admit that some songs are worth more than others, and that some songs are worth much more than 99Ã??Ã?¢, right? If so, I have a question. If iTunes tracks ever stop being a loss leader to sell iPods, won't Apple have every incentive to do variable pricing? The iPod's success doesn't have to disappear for this to happen. Once they obtain sufficient lock-in, as you suggest, so that the iPod is so entrenched as the standard that they can worry less about ensuring its continued sales, why wouldn't Apple switch to variable pricing, which will probably result in higher revenues?</p> Tim, you will admit that some songs are worth more than others, and that some songs are worth much more than 99Ã??Ã?¢, right? If so, I have a question. If iTunes tracks ever stop being a loss leader to sell iPods, won’t Apple have every incentive to do variable pricing? The iPod’s success doesn’t have to disappear for this to happen. Once they obtain sufficient lock-in, as you suggest, so that the iPod is so entrenched as the standard that they can worry less about ensuring its continued sales, why wouldn’t Apple switch to variable pricing, which will probably result in higher revenues?

]]> By: Jerry Brito http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-33299 Jerry Brito Thu, 04 May 2006 17:58:18 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-33299 <p>Tim, you will admit that some songs are worth more than others, and that some songs are worth much more than 99Ã??Ã?¢, right? If so, I have a question. If iTunes tracks ever stop being a loss leader to sell iPods, won't Apple have every incentive to do variable pricing? The iPod's success doesn't have to disappear for this to happen. Once they obtain sufficient lock-in, as you suggest, so that the iPod is so entrenched as the standard that they can worry less about ensuring its continued sales, why wouldn't Apple switch to variable pricing, which will probably result in higher revenues?</p> Tim, you will admit that some songs are worth more than others, and that some songs are worth much more than 99Ã??Ã?¢, right? If so, I have a question. If iTunes tracks ever stop being a loss leader to sell iPods, won’t Apple have every incentive to do variable pricing? The iPod’s success doesn’t have to disappear for this to happen. Once they obtain sufficient lock-in, as you suggest, so that the iPod is so entrenched as the standard that they can worry less about ensuring its continued sales, why wouldn’t Apple switch to variable pricing, which will probably result in higher revenues?

]]> By: Tim http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-53612 Tim Thu, 04 May 2006 15:24:36 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-53612 <p>AT: I meant "created a monster" from the labels' perspective: that they've handed the keys to their industry over to a guy who's not likely to give them back.<br><br>And yes, I realize that it's possible to burn the music to CD and then convert it to an open format. However, that's a hassle, and since it's illegal for third parties to distribute tools to help users do that, it's unlikely that very many of them will. So I think most of Apple's iTunes customers are effectively locked into Apple's platform.</p> AT: I meant “created a monster” from the labels’ perspective: that they’ve handed the keys to their industry over to a guy who’s not likely to give them back.

And yes, I realize that it’s possible to burn the music to CD and then convert it to an open format. However, that’s a hassle, and since it’s illegal for third parties to distribute tools to help users do that, it’s unlikely that very many of them will. So I think most of Apple’s iTunes customers are effectively locked into Apple’s platform.

]]> By: Tim http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-33298 Tim Thu, 04 May 2006 14:24:36 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-33298 <p>AT: I meant "created a monster" from the labels' perspective: that they've handed the keys to their industry over to a guy who's not likely to give them back.</p> <p>And yes, I realize that it's possible to burn the music to CD and then convert it to an open format. However, that's a hassle, and since it's illegal for third parties to distribute tools to help users do that, it's unlikely that very many of them will. So I think most of Apple's iTunes customers are effectively locked into Apple's platform.</p> AT: I meant “created a monster” from the labels’ perspective: that they’ve handed the keys to their industry over to a guy who’s not likely to give them back.

And yes, I realize that it’s possible to burn the music to CD and then convert it to an open format. However, that’s a hassle, and since it’s illegal for third parties to distribute tools to help users do that, it’s unlikely that very many of them will. So I think most of Apple’s iTunes customers are effectively locked into Apple’s platform.

]]> By: AT http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-53611 AT Thu, 04 May 2006 11:42:38 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-53611 <p>Your good intentions notwithstanding, I resent the implication that I am a mindless sheep when you say that "more and more music fans become locked into Apple's proprietary platform". I bought my first track from Apple only after I ascertained that I could burn all my music into AIFF and walk away at any point with my fair use rights intact. They were then the only ones to offer this, and they still are the only game in town. Granted there is some inconvenience in removing the DRM, but it's far from a "lock in". And if you don't know what I mean, you're ill-informed and maybe the "created a monster" hyperbole should just stop already. Perhaps a fairer assessment will tell you why all other services are failing, such as subscriptions and downloads that are tethered to a relationship with the distributor.</p> Your good intentions notwithstanding, I resent the implication that I am a mindless sheep when you say that “more and more music fans become locked into Apple’s proprietary platform”. I bought my first track from Apple only after I ascertained that I could burn all my music into AIFF and walk away at any point with my fair use rights intact. They were then the only ones to offer this, and they still are the only game in town. Granted there is some inconvenience in removing the DRM, but it’s far from a “lock in”. And if you don’t know what I mean, you’re ill-informed and maybe the “created a monster” hyperbole should just stop already. Perhaps a fairer assessment will tell you why all other services are failing, such as subscriptions and downloads that are tethered to a relationship with the distributor.

]]> By: AT http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/comment-page-1/#comment-33297 AT Thu, 04 May 2006 10:42:38 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2006/05/02/steve-2-riaa-0/#comment-33297 <p>Your good intentions notwithstanding, I resent the implication that I am a mindless sheep when you say that "more and more music fans become locked into Apple's proprietary platform". I bought my first track from Apple only after I ascertained that I could burn all my music into AIFF and walk away at any point with my fair use rights intact. They were then the only ones to offer this, and they still are the only game in town. Granted there is some inconvenience in removing the DRM, but it's far from a "lock in". And if you don't know what I mean, you're ill-informed and maybe the "created a monster" hyperbole should just stop already. Perhaps a fairer assessment will tell you why all other services are failing, such as subscriptions and downloads that are tethered to a relationship with the distributor.</p> Your good intentions notwithstanding, I resent the implication that I am a mindless sheep when you say that “more and more music fans become locked into Apple’s proprietary platform”. I bought my first track from Apple only after I ascertained that I could burn all my music into AIFF and walk away at any point with my fair use rights intact. They were then the only ones to offer this, and they still are the only game in town. Granted there is some inconvenience in removing the DRM, but it’s far from a “lock in”. And if you don’t know what I mean, you’re ill-informed and maybe the “created a monster” hyperbole should just stop already. Perhaps a fairer assessment will tell you why all other services are failing, such as subscriptions and downloads that are tethered to a relationship with the distributor.

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