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		<dc:creator>tramadol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tramadol</title>
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		<dc:creator>tramadol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: naiserie</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/03/02/is-pay-as-you-go-the-devil/comment-page-1/#comment-32863</link>
		<dc:creator>naiserie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess that&#039;d be one way of solving the p2p problem...&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Also, regarding the &quot;ISPs&#039; concerns about who is paying for their networks&quot;...I&#039;m fairly certain the ISPs owe tax payers around $200 billion worth of undelivered networks.  I&#039;ll happily pay for my 100+ gigabyte usage/month from my share of that pot.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;d be one way of solving the p2p problem&#8230;</p>

<p>Also, regarding the &#8220;ISPs&#8217; concerns about who is paying for their networks&#8221;&#8230;I&#8217;m fairly certain the ISPs owe tax payers around $200 billion worth of undelivered networks.  I&#8217;ll happily pay for my 100+ gigabyte usage/month from my share of that pot.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: naiserie</title>
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		<dc:creator>naiserie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess that&#039;d be one way of solving the p2p problem...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, regarding the &quot;ISPs&#039; concerns about who is paying for their networks&quot;...I&#039;m fairly certain the ISPs owe tax payers around $200 billion worth of undelivered networks.  I&#039;ll happily pay for my 100+ gigabyte usage/month from my share of that pot.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;d be one way of solving the p2p problem&#8230;<br /><br />Also, regarding the &#8220;ISPs&#8217; concerns about who is paying for their networks&#8221;&#8230;I&#8217;m fairly certain the ISPs owe tax payers around $200 billion worth of undelivered networks.  I&#8217;ll happily pay for my 100+ gigabyte usage/month from my share of that pot.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/03/02/is-pay-as-you-go-the-devil/comment-page-1/#comment-32862</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not comfortable with lumping together &quot;monopoly or duopoly.&quot; Obviously neither is as good as a market with a lot of alternatives, but generally speaking a duopoly is more like a competitive market than a monopoly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable with lumping together &#8220;monopoly or duopoly.&#8221; Obviously neither is as good as a market with a lot of alternatives, but generally speaking a duopoly is more like a competitive market than a monopoly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not comfortable with lumping together &quot;monopoly or duopoly.&quot; Obviously neither is as good as a market with a lot of alternatives, but generally speaking a duopoly is more like a competitive market than a monopoly.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not comfortable with lumping together &#8220;monopoly or duopoly.&#8221; Obviously neither is as good as a market with a lot of alternatives, but generally speaking a duopoly is more like a competitive market than a monopoly.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I did need to &quot;RTFA.&quot; The last proposals I saw were to charge Google, Amazon, etc. Mike Masnick is correct, though, that competition isn&#039;t the norm in many parts of America. In rural Virginia, you&#039;re lucky if you have one or two providers. Three is practically metropolitan.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I did need to &#8220;RTFA.&#8221; The last proposals I saw were to charge Google, Amazon, etc. Mike Masnick is correct, though, that competition isn&#8217;t the norm in many parts of America. In rural Virginia, you&#8217;re lucky if you have one or two providers. Three is practically metropolitan.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I did need to &quot;RTFA.&quot; The last proposals I saw were to charge Google, Amazon, etc. Mike Masnick is correct, though, that competition isn&#039;t the norm in many parts of America. In rural Virginia, you&#039;re lucky if you have one or two providers. Three is practically metropolitan.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I did need to &#8220;RTFA.&#8221; The last proposals I saw were to charge Google, Amazon, etc. Mike Masnick is correct, though, that competition isn&#8217;t the norm in many parts of America. In rural Virginia, you&#8217;re lucky if you have one or two providers. Three is practically metropolitan.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike Masnick</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2006/03/02/is-pay-as-you-go-the-devil/comment-page-1/#comment-32860</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerry,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You&#039;re right that American consumers hate the uncertainty.  To them, that&#039;s a cost -- and it&#039;s a cost that makes them hesitant to figure out how useful the connectivity really is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The $50/MB may be an exaggeration, but the point still stands, that they could use this as a way of breaking network neutrality from a different direction (and to MikeT above, this article is about charging consumers, not about charging Google).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Finally, your anecdotal point about how you happen to have choice is a good sign -- but the majority of Americans don&#039;t yet have that much choice in broadband access.  I am hoping we get there, but for most people there is only one or two choices -- and there&#039;s monopoly pricing to prove it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I am very hopeful that wireless technologies will eventually help break the logjam, but it won&#039;t happen for a while.  The technology just isn&#039;t that good and the spectrum just isn&#039;t that available.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, yes, for the time being, for many of us, we face a monopoly or a duopoly -- and it&#039;s a big problem.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>

<p>You&#8217;re right that American consumers hate the uncertainty.  To them, that&#8217;s a cost &#8212; and it&#8217;s a cost that makes them hesitant to figure out how useful the connectivity really is.</p>

<p>The $50/MB may be an exaggeration, but the point still stands, that they could use this as a way of breaking network neutrality from a different direction (and to MikeT above, this article is about charging consumers, not about charging Google).</p>

<p>Finally, your anecdotal point about how you happen to have choice is a good sign &#8212; but the majority of Americans don&#8217;t yet have that much choice in broadband access.  I am hoping we get there, but for most people there is only one or two choices &#8212; and there&#8217;s monopoly pricing to prove it.</p>

<p>I am very hopeful that wireless technologies will eventually help break the logjam, but it won&#8217;t happen for a while.  The technology just isn&#8217;t that good and the spectrum just isn&#8217;t that available.</p>

<p>So, yes, for the time being, for many of us, we face a monopoly or a duopoly &#8212; and it&#8217;s a big problem.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Mike Masnick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 20:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerry,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re right that American consumers hate the uncertainty.  To them, that&#039;s a cost -- and it&#039;s a cost that makes them hesitant to figure out how useful the connectivity really is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The $50/MB may be an exaggeration, but the point still stands, that they could use this as a way of breaking network neutrality from a different direction (and to MikeT above, this article is about charging consumers, not about charging Google).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, your anecdotal point about how you happen to have choice is a good sign -- but the majority of Americans don&#039;t yet have that much choice in broadband access.  I am hoping we get there, but for most people there is only one or two choices -- and there&#039;s monopoly pricing to prove it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am very hopeful that wireless technologies will eventually help break the logjam, but it won&#039;t happen for a while.  The technology just isn&#039;t that good and the spectrum just isn&#039;t that available.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, yes, for the time being, for many of us, we face a monopoly or a duopoly -- and it&#039;s a big problem.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,<br /><br />You&#8217;re right that American consumers hate the uncertainty.  To them, that&#8217;s a cost &#8212; and it&#8217;s a cost that makes them hesitant to figure out how useful the connectivity really is.<br /><br />The $50/MB may be an exaggeration, but the point still stands, that they could use this as a way of breaking network neutrality from a different direction (and to MikeT above, this article is about charging consumers, not about charging Google).<br /><br />Finally, your anecdotal point about how you happen to have choice is a good sign &#8212; but the majority of Americans don&#8217;t yet have that much choice in broadband access.  I am hoping we get there, but for most people there is only one or two choices &#8212; and there&#8217;s monopoly pricing to prove it.<br /><br />I am very hopeful that wireless technologies will eventually help break the logjam, but it won&#8217;t happen for a while.  The technology just isn&#8217;t that good and the spectrum just isn&#8217;t that available.<br /><br />So, yes, for the time being, for many of us, we face a monopoly or a duopoly &#8212; and it&#8217;s a big problem.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerry,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re talking about charging Google, not their users. Google, pay $0.001/mb or we&#039;ll cut your bandwidth on our network down. You&#039;re also assuming something which has no signs of materializing. What makes you think that in a market with only 2-3 broadband providers in any given area that they&#039;ll not all play by the same rules? If there are no real choices in that one area, that all 3 benefit from, then customers cannot get what they want. Maybe one of them would do it as a differentiator, but I doubt it. They&#039;re just too short-sighted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I said on my blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blindmindseye.com/2006/02/26/the-telecoms-real-concern-on-network-neutrality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is about preventing fraud, not property rights&lt;/a&gt;. Google&#039;s not screwing anyone. They pay for their bandwidth and I pay for mine. Who the hell is the telecom to get between us when ultimately one of us pays them? I pay them to access Google, thus what is their complaint? Google pays their telecom for the ability to provide a service. If they don&#039;t like the fees, then change them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>

<p>They&#8217;re talking about charging Google, not their users. Google, pay $0.001/mb or we&#8217;ll cut your bandwidth on our network down. You&#8217;re also assuming something which has no signs of materializing. What makes you think that in a market with only 2-3 broadband providers in any given area that they&#8217;ll not all play by the same rules? If there are no real choices in that one area, that all 3 benefit from, then customers cannot get what they want. Maybe one of them would do it as a differentiator, but I doubt it. They&#8217;re just too short-sighted.</p>

<p>As I said on my blog, <a href="http://blindmindseye.com/2006/02/26/the-telecoms-real-concern-on-network-neutrality/" rel="nofollow">this is about preventing fraud, not property rights</a>. Google&#8217;s not screwing anyone. They pay for their bandwidth and I pay for mine. Who the hell is the telecom to get between us when ultimately one of us pays them? I pay them to access Google, thus what is their complaint? Google pays their telecom for the ability to provide a service. If they don&#8217;t like the fees, then change them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: MikeT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jerry,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They&#039;re talking about charging Google, not their users. Google, pay $0.001/mb or we&#039;ll cut your bandwidth on our network down. You&#039;re also assuming something which has no signs of materializing. What makes you think that in a market with only 2-3 broadband providers in any given area that they&#039;ll not all play by the same rules? If there are no real choices in that one area, that all 3 benefit from, then customers cannot get what they want. Maybe one of them would do it as a differentiator, but I doubt it. They&#039;re just too short-sighted.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As I said on my blog, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blindmindseye.com/2006/02/26/the-telecoms-real-concern-on-network-neutrality/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this is about preventing fraud, not property rights&lt;/a&gt;. Google&#039;s not screwing anyone. They pay for their bandwidth and I pay for mine. Who the hell is the telecom to get between us when ultimately one of us pays them? I pay them to access Google, thus what is their complaint? Google pays their telecom for the ability to provide a service. If they don&#039;t like the fees, then change them.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>They&#8217;re talking about charging Google, not their users. Google, pay $0.001/mb or we&#8217;ll cut your bandwidth on our network down. You&#8217;re also assuming something which has no signs of materializing. What makes you think that in a market with only 2-3 broadband providers in any given area that they&#8217;ll not all play by the same rules? If there are no real choices in that one area, that all 3 benefit from, then customers cannot get what they want. Maybe one of them would do it as a differentiator, but I doubt it. They&#8217;re just too short-sighted.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>As I said on my blog, <a href="http://blindmindseye.com/2006/02/26/the-telecoms-real-concern-on-network-neutrality/" rel="nofollow">this is about preventing fraud, not property rights</a>. Google&#8217;s not screwing anyone. They pay for their bandwidth and I pay for mine. Who the hell is the telecom to get between us when ultimately one of us pays them? I pay them to access Google, thus what is their complaint? Google pays their telecom for the ability to provide a service. If they don&#8217;t like the fees, then change them.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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