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	<title>Comments on: File-Swappers Give Thanks for a Turkey of a Law</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2004/10/01/file-swappers-give-thanks-for-a-turkey-of-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-50623</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2004 13:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This law strikes me as having the same effect as hate crime legislation (sans the think-crime effect, of course):  adding punishment to an already punishable offense.  To be charged under this law, you have to be caught trading copywritten material.  Anybody punished as a result of this law would presumably have been punished anyway without it.  So exactly HOW is this supposed to curb file trading?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This law strikes me as having the same effect as hate crime legislation (sans the think-crime effect, of course):  adding punishment to an already punishable offense.  To be charged under this law, you have to be caught trading copywritten material.  Anybody punished as a result of this law would presumably have been punished anyway without it.  So exactly HOW is this supposed to curb file trading?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Oct 2004 12:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This law strikes me as having the same effect as hate crime legislation (sans the think-crime effect, of course):  adding punishment to an already punishable offense.  To be charged under this law, you have to be caught trading copywritten material.  Anybody punished as a result of this law would presumably have been punished anyway without it.  So exactly HOW is this supposed to curb file trading?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This law strikes me as having the same effect as hate crime legislation (sans the think-crime effect, of course):  adding punishment to an already punishable offense.  To be charged under this law, you have to be caught trading copywritten material.  Anybody punished as a result of this law would presumably have been punished anyway without it.  So exactly HOW is this supposed to curb file trading?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom W. Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom W. Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 15:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re right about the &quot;email . . . and . . . title&quot; bit, Michael.  Thanks for the correction.  You don&#039;t convince me to change my views about the definitions of those two items, however.  I still think they can be very easily satisfied, thus leaving the statute largely useless.  But I will concede that it all depends on how courts interpret the law.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right about the &#8220;email . . . and . . . title&#8221; bit, Michael.  Thanks for the correction.  You don&#8217;t convince me to change my views about the definitions of those two items, however.  I still think they can be very easily satisfied, thus leaving the statute largely useless.  But I will concede that it all depends on how courts interpret the law.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Tom W. Bell</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2004/10/01/file-swappers-give-thanks-for-a-turkey-of-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-30730</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom W. Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re right about the &quot;email . . . and . . . title&quot; bit, Michael.  Thanks for the correction.  You don&#039;t convince me to change my views about the definitions of those two items, however.  I still think they can be very easily satisfied, thus leaving the statute largely useless.  But I will concede that it all depends on how courts interpret the law.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right about the &#8220;email . . . and . . . title&#8221; bit, Michael.  Thanks for the correction.  You don&#8217;t convince me to change my views about the definitions of those two items, however.  I still think they can be very easily satisfied, thus leaving the statute largely useless.  But I will concede that it all depends on how courts interpret the law.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael Yuri</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2004/10/01/file-swappers-give-thanks-for-a-turkey-of-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-50621</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 13:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re misreading the statute: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;... without disclosing his or her e-mail address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work ...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You seem to be reading this as &quot;(without disclosing email address) and (without disclosing title)&quot;, but I think the more natural reading is &quot; without (disclosing both email address and title)&quot;.  In other words, anyone who fails to disclose either is punishable.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an analogous example:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Any student who doesn&#039;t have his or her homework and the course textbook is unprepared for class.&quot;  I think the only reasonable interpretation of this is that forgetting either the homework or the textbook is sufficient to make one unprepared.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m also doubtful about your interpretation of the title requirement.  The works in question certainly have official titles -- I don&#039;t see why this statute wouldn&#039;t be interpreted as requiring that official title to be listed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would think that &quot;Sailing to Philadelphia&quot;, &quot;(Mark Knopfler) Sailing to Philadelphia&quot;, or &quot;Sailing to Philadelphia - Mark Knopfler&quot; and reasonable misspellings would probably be fine, but &quot;MK&#039;s Sailing&quot; or &quot;Sailing to Philly&quot; might not be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the bigger concern is how one can &quot;disclose&quot; an email address when distributing a file over a peer-to-peer network.  According to the statute: &quot;(6) Ã?Â¢Ã¢?Â¬Ã??Disclosing&#039; means providing information in, attached to, or discernable or available in or through the process of disseminating or obtaining a commercial recording or audiovisual work in a manner that is accessible by any person engaged in disseminating or receiving the commercial recording or audiovisual work.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder whether a textfile titled &quot;MyEmail.txt&quot; located in your Upload directory would be sufficient to satisfy this requirement - of course, this would only apply to those networks that allow users to browse other users&#039; shared files.  Otherwise, it seems that the only alternative on most P2P networks would be to rename all of your shared files to include your email address.  This is a pretty unworkable solution, especially considering that every person who downloads it would have to rename the file with their own address before resharing it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On certain P2P networks (bittorrent, for example) it seems impossible to meet the email address requirement given the way the network functions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, it seems to me that these penalties would apply to pretty much every person sharing commercial audiovisual works on a peer-to-peer network.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re misreading the statute: </p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230; without disclosing his or her e-mail address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work &#8230;&#8221;</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>You seem to be reading this as &#8220;(without disclosing email address) and (without disclosing title)&#8221;, but I think the more natural reading is &#8221; without (disclosing both email address and title)&#8221;.  In other words, anyone who fails to disclose either is punishable.  </p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>Here&#8217;s an analogous example:</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>&#8220;Any student who doesn&#8217;t have his or her homework and the course textbook is unprepared for class.&#8221;  I think the only reasonable interpretation of this is that forgetting either the homework or the textbook is sufficient to make one unprepared.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I&#8217;m also doubtful about your interpretation of the title requirement.  The works in question certainly have official titles &#8212; I don&#8217;t see why this statute wouldn&#8217;t be interpreted as requiring that official title to be listed.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I would think that &#8220;Sailing to Philadelphia&#8221;, &#8220;(Mark Knopfler) Sailing to Philadelphia&#8221;, or &#8220;Sailing to Philadelphia &#8211; Mark Knopfler&#8221; and reasonable misspellings would probably be fine, but &#8220;MK&#8217;s Sailing&#8221; or &#8220;Sailing to Philly&#8221; might not be.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I think the bigger concern is how one can &#8220;disclose&#8221; an email address when distributing a file over a peer-to-peer network.  According to the statute: &#8220;(6) Ã?Â¢Ã¢?Â¬Ã??Disclosing&#8217; means providing information in, attached to, or discernable or available in or through the process of disseminating or obtaining a commercial recording or audiovisual work in a manner that is accessible by any person engaged in disseminating or receiving the commercial recording or audiovisual work.&#8221;</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>I wonder whether a textfile titled &#8220;MyEmail.txt&#8221; located in your Upload directory would be sufficient to satisfy this requirement &#8211; of course, this would only apply to those networks that allow users to browse other users&#8217; shared files.  Otherwise, it seems that the only alternative on most P2P networks would be to rename all of your shared files to include your email address.  This is a pretty unworkable solution, especially considering that every person who downloads it would have to rename the file with their own address before resharing it.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>On certain P2P networks (bittorrent, for example) it seems impossible to meet the email address requirement given the way the network functions.</p>

<p><br /></p>

<p>In short, it seems to me that these penalties would apply to pretty much every person sharing commercial audiovisual works on a peer-to-peer network.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Michael Yuri</title>
		<link>http://techliberation.com/2004/10/01/file-swappers-give-thanks-for-a-turkey-of-a-law/comment-page-1/#comment-30729</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 12:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you&#039;re misreading the statute: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;... without disclosing his or her e-mail address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work ...&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;You seem to be reading this as &quot;(without disclosing email address) and (without disclosing title)&quot;, but I think the more natural reading is &quot; without (disclosing both email address and title)&quot;.  In other words, anyone who fails to disclose either is punishable.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here&#039;s an analogous example:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;Any student who doesn&#039;t have his or her homework and the course textbook is unprepared for class.&quot;  I think the only reasonable interpretation of this is that forgetting either the homework or the textbook is sufficient to make one unprepared.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m also doubtful about your interpretation of the title requirement.  The works in question certainly have official titles -- I don&#039;t see why this statute wouldn&#039;t be interpreted as requiring that official title to be listed.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I would think that &quot;Sailing to Philadelphia&quot;, &quot;(Mark Knopfler) Sailing to Philadelphia&quot;, or &quot;Sailing to Philadelphia - Mark Knopfler&quot; and reasonable misspellings would probably be fine, but &quot;MK&#039;s Sailing&quot; or &quot;Sailing to Philly&quot; might not be.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the bigger concern is how one can &quot;disclose&quot; an email address when distributing a file over a peer-to-peer network.  According to the statute: &quot;(6) Ã?Â¢Ã¢?Â¬Ã??Disclosing&#039; means providing information in, attached to, or discernable or available in or through the process of disseminating or obtaining a commercial recording or audiovisual work in a manner that is accessible by any person engaged in disseminating or receiving the commercial recording or audiovisual work.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I wonder whether a textfile titled &quot;MyEmail.txt&quot; located in your Upload directory would be sufficient to satisfy this requirement - of course, this would only apply to those networks that allow users to browse other users&#039; shared files.  Otherwise, it seems that the only alternative on most P2P networks would be to rename all of your shared files to include your email address.  This is a pretty unworkable solution, especially considering that every person who downloads it would have to rename the file with their own address before resharing it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;On certain P2P networks (bittorrent, for example) it seems impossible to meet the email address requirement given the way the network functions.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, it seems to me that these penalties would apply to pretty much every person sharing commercial audiovisual works on a peer-to-peer network.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re misreading the statute: </p>

<p>&#8220;&#8230; without disclosing his or her e-mail address, and the title of the recording or audiovisual work &#8230;&#8221;</p>

<p>You seem to be reading this as &#8220;(without disclosing email address) and (without disclosing title)&#8221;, but I think the more natural reading is &#8221; without (disclosing both email address and title)&#8221;.  In other words, anyone who fails to disclose either is punishable.  </p>

<p>Here&#8217;s an analogous example:</p>

<p>&#8220;Any student who doesn&#8217;t have his or her homework and the course textbook is unprepared for class.&#8221;  I think the only reasonable interpretation of this is that forgetting either the homework or the textbook is sufficient to make one unprepared.</p>

<p>I&#8217;m also doubtful about your interpretation of the title requirement.  The works in question certainly have official titles &#8212; I don&#8217;t see why this statute wouldn&#8217;t be interpreted as requiring that official title to be listed.</p>

<p>I would think that &#8220;Sailing to Philadelphia&#8221;, &#8220;(Mark Knopfler) Sailing to Philadelphia&#8221;, or &#8220;Sailing to Philadelphia &#8211; Mark Knopfler&#8221; and reasonable misspellings would probably be fine, but &#8220;MK&#8217;s Sailing&#8221; or &#8220;Sailing to Philly&#8221; might not be.</p>

<p>I think the bigger concern is how one can &#8220;disclose&#8221; an email address when distributing a file over a peer-to-peer network.  According to the statute: &#8220;(6) Ã?Â¢Ã¢?Â¬Ã??Disclosing&#8217; means providing information in, attached to, or discernable or available in or through the process of disseminating or obtaining a commercial recording or audiovisual work in a manner that is accessible by any person engaged in disseminating or receiving the commercial recording or audiovisual work.&#8221;</p>

<p>I wonder whether a textfile titled &#8220;MyEmail.txt&#8221; located in your Upload directory would be sufficient to satisfy this requirement &#8211; of course, this would only apply to those networks that allow users to browse other users&#8217; shared files.  Otherwise, it seems that the only alternative on most P2P networks would be to rename all of your shared files to include your email address.  This is a pretty unworkable solution, especially considering that every person who downloads it would have to rename the file with their own address before resharing it.</p>

<p>On certain P2P networks (bittorrent, for example) it seems impossible to meet the email address requirement given the way the network functions.</p>

<p>In short, it seems to me that these penalties would apply to pretty much every person sharing commercial audiovisual works on a peer-to-peer network.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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