Comments on: On Video Voyeurism http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/ Keeping politicians' hands off the Net & everything else related to technology Thu, 24 May 2012 10:21:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jane http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53484 jane Wed, 22 Jun 2005 17:51:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53484 <p>I, too, have reason to believe I might have been videotaped. Can anyone tell me what I should look for? For example, can cameras be in light or ceiling fixtures, how small are they? And for the transmitters: where they might be located, and would someone have to be within a certain proximity with a laptop to download data, or can it even be downloaded via a picture capable cell phone? Where can I gather all this information in order to garner evidence? Thank you</p> I, too, have reason to believe I might have been videotaped. Can anyone tell me what I should look for? For example, can cameras be in light or ceiling fixtures, how small are they? And for the transmitters: where they might be located, and would someone have to be within a certain proximity with a laptop to download data, or can it even be downloaded via a picture capable cell phone? Where can I gather all this information in order to garner evidence? Thank you

]]> By: jane http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30685 jane Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:51:25 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30685 <p>I, too, have reason to believe I might have been videotaped. Can anyone tell me what I should look for? For example, can cameras be in light or ceiling fixtures, how small are they? And for the transmitters: where they might be located, and would someone have to be within a certain proximity with a laptop to download data, or can it even be downloaded via a picture capable cell phone? Where can I gather all this information in order to garner evidence? Thank you</p> I, too, have reason to believe I might have been videotaped. Can anyone tell me what I should look for? For example, can cameras be in light or ceiling fixtures, how small are they? And for the transmitters: where they might be located, and would someone have to be within a certain proximity with a laptop to download data, or can it even be downloaded via a picture capable cell phone? Where can I gather all this information in order to garner evidence? Thank you

]]> By: anonymous http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53483 anonymous Sat, 28 May 2005 03:20:58 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53483 <p>First of all, try not to pass judgement when you clearly do not know what it's like to be violated. I feel your pain Beverly. My husband and I are going through the most painful and shameful experience in our lives. We currently are leasing a house with an option to purchase it. Last month we found a pinhole camera in our attic pointed directly to our bed and another one in the master bathroom. Fingerprints were ran and the detective investigating this case informed me that the landlord's fingerprints were found in the hard drive of the receiver. We only have a month left in our lease agreement and we feel helpless. WE have invested our money in this house that frankly I don't care for anymore. Even if it's stripped down to the slab to find if anything else is hidden or embedded, I couldn't care less. The son of a bitch is still out there and we're waiting for a call from the detective telling us there's a warrant for his arrest. I have no clue when this'll happen but in my opinion it should have happened when the prints matched that bastard's! What the hell are they waiting for?!!!! If you guys know anybody or anything that would help me put this guy where he belongs as soon as possible... i'd very much appreciate it.</p> First of all, try not to pass judgement when you clearly do not know what it’s like to be violated. I feel your pain Beverly. My husband and I are going through the most painful and shameful experience in our lives. We currently are leasing a house with an option to purchase it. Last month we found a pinhole camera in our attic pointed directly to our bed and another one in the master bathroom. Fingerprints were ran and the detective investigating this case informed me that the landlord’s fingerprints were found in the hard drive of the receiver. We only have a month left in our lease agreement and we feel helpless. WE have invested our money in this house that frankly I don’t care for anymore. Even if it’s stripped down to the slab to find if anything else is hidden or embedded, I couldn’t care less. The son of a bitch is still out there and we’re waiting for a call from the detective telling us there’s a warrant for his arrest. I have no clue when this’ll happen but in my opinion it should have happened when the prints matched that bastard’s! What the hell are they waiting for?!!!! If you guys know anybody or anything that would help me put this guy where he belongs as soon as possible… i’d very much appreciate it.

]]> By: anonymous http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30684 anonymous Sat, 28 May 2005 02:20:58 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30684 <p>First of all, try not to pass judgement when you clearly do not know what it's like to be violated. I feel your pain Beverly. My husband and I are going through the most painful and shameful experience in our lives. We currently are leasing a house with an option to purchase it. Last month we found a pinhole camera in our attic pointed directly to our bed and another one in the master bathroom. Fingerprints were ran and the detective investigating this case informed me that the landlord's fingerprints were found in the hard drive of the receiver. We only have a month left in our lease agreement and we feel helpless. WE have invested our money in this house that frankly I don't care for anymore. Even if it's stripped down to the slab to find if anything else is hidden or embedded, I couldn't care less. The son of a bitch is still out there and we're waiting for a call from the detective telling us there's a warrant for his arrest. I have no clue when this'll happen but in my opinion it should have happened when the prints matched that bastard's! What the hell are they waiting for?!!!! If you guys know anybody or anything that would help me put this guy where he belongs as soon as possible... i'd very much appreciate it.</p> First of all, try not to pass judgement when you clearly do not know what it’s like to be violated. I feel your pain Beverly. My husband and I are going through the most painful and shameful experience in our lives. We currently are leasing a house with an option to purchase it. Last month we found a pinhole camera in our attic pointed directly to our bed and another one in the master bathroom. Fingerprints were ran and the detective investigating this case informed me that the landlord’s fingerprints were found in the hard drive of the receiver. We only have a month left in our lease agreement and we feel helpless. WE have invested our money in this house that frankly I don’t care for anymore. Even if it’s stripped down to the slab to find if anything else is hidden or embedded, I couldn’t care less. The son of a bitch is still out there and we’re waiting for a call from the detective telling us there’s a warrant for his arrest. I have no clue when this’ll happen but in my opinion it should have happened when the prints matched that bastard’s! What the hell are they waiting for?!!!! If you guys know anybody or anything that would help me put this guy where he belongs as soon as possible… i’d very much appreciate it.

]]> By: Beverly http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30683 Beverly Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:22:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30683 <p>I have a problem. I know I have been videotaped in my own home, via the window, while participating in a private act. I also know that the initiator of this are people who work in retail security and some community police are aware of this. I remember feeling like someone had been in my home at one time. These off-duty police walk up to me and stand by me when I shop at the store they work at. They never say anything but they will invade my privacy by getting in my private space and smerking. They have shared this information with others and I truly believe there is a video, but I can't prove it. I believe this because whenever I go places I have never been before, I get the same smerks and attention. I find it hard to believe but some women also take part in the smerking or coming around me. I heard one man say to another that's the lady that is in the video, one day as I shopped at a different store. I have told some people but everyone acts like I should leave it alone since I can't prove it. I am upset because I think people should be more receptive to assisting rather than believing I am paranoid.</p> <p>Feeling trapped and violated everyday</p> I have a problem. I know I have been videotaped in my own home, via the window, while participating in a private act. I also know that the initiator of this are people who work in retail security and some community police are aware of this. I remember feeling like someone had been in my home at one time. These off-duty police walk up to me and stand by me when I shop at the store they work at. They never say anything but they will invade my privacy by getting in my private space and smerking. They have shared this information with others and I truly believe there is a video, but I can’t prove it. I believe this because whenever I go places I have never been before, I get the same smerks and attention. I find it hard to believe but some women also take part in the smerking or coming around me. I heard one man say to another that’s the lady that is in the video, one day as I shopped at a different store. I have told some people but everyone acts like I should leave it alone since I can’t prove it. I am upset because I think people should be more receptive to assisting rather than believing I am paranoid.

Feeling trapped and violated everyday

]]> By: Beverly http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53482 Beverly Fri, 01 Apr 2005 03:22:16 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53482 <p>I have a problem. I know I have been videotaped in my own home, via the window, while participating in a private act. I also know that the initiator of this are people who work in retail security and some community police are aware of this. I remember feeling like someone had been in my home at one time. These off-duty police walk up to me and stand by me when I shop at the store they work at. They never say anything but they will invade my privacy by getting in my private space and smerking. They have shared this information with others and I truly believe there is a video, but I can't prove it. I believe this because whenever I go places I have never been before, I get the same smerks and attention. I find it hard to believe but some women also take part in the smerking or coming around me. I heard one man say to another that's the lady that is in the video, one day as I shopped at a different store. I have told some people but everyone acts like I should leave it alone since I can't prove it. I am upset because I think people should be more receptive to assisting rather than believing I am paranoid.<br><br>Feeling trapped and violated everyday</p> I have a problem. I know I have been videotaped in my own home, via the window, while participating in a private act. I also know that the initiator of this are people who work in retail security and some community police are aware of this. I remember feeling like someone had been in my home at one time. These off-duty police walk up to me and stand by me when I shop at the store they work at. They never say anything but they will invade my privacy by getting in my private space and smerking. They have shared this information with others and I truly believe there is a video, but I can’t prove it. I believe this because whenever I go places I have never been before, I get the same smerks and attention. I find it hard to believe but some women also take part in the smerking or coming around me. I heard one man say to another that’s the lady that is in the video, one day as I shopped at a different store. I have told some people but everyone acts like I should leave it alone since I can’t prove it. I am upset because I think people should be more receptive to assisting rather than believing I am paranoid.

Feeling trapped and violated everyday

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53481 Jim Harper Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:26:56 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53481 <p>If you were to describe <i>how</i> an upskirt photo victim is violated (in the absence of harm: i.e., the shock of discovering the act, circulation of the pictures that sullies reputation, etc.), I think you'd find yourself talking about things that are essentially metaphysical. As to peeping, I think it's illegal because one has to commit a trespass to do it. If you can peep without trespassing, I think that's watching a strip show. Or would you make it a crime to observe from your living room a neighbor undressing through her open window? Anti-peeping statutes are just extra words in the statute books, like this video voyeurism law, that add moral opprobrium for the sake of politics.</p> If you were to describe how an upskirt photo victim is violated (in the absence of harm: i.e., the shock of discovering the act, circulation of the pictures that sullies reputation, etc.), I think you’d find yourself talking about things that are essentially metaphysical. As to peeping, I think it’s illegal because one has to commit a trespass to do it. If you can peep without trespassing, I think that’s watching a strip show. Or would you make it a crime to observe from your living room a neighbor undressing through her open window? Anti-peeping statutes are just extra words in the statute books, like this video voyeurism law, that add moral opprobrium for the sake of politics.

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30682 Jim Harper Fri, 24 Sep 2004 14:26:56 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30682 <p>If you were to describe <i>how</i> an upskirt photo victim is violated (in the absence of harm: i.e., the shock of discovering the act, circulation of the pictures that sullies reputation, etc.), I think you'd find yourself talking about things that are essentially metaphysical. As to peeping, I think it's illegal because one has to commit a trespass to do it. If you can peep without trespassing, I think that's watching a strip show. Or would you make it a crime to observe from your living room a neighbor undressing through her open window? Anti-peeping statutes are just extra words in the statute books, like this video voyeurism law, that add moral opprobrium for the sake of politics.</p> If you were to describe how an upskirt photo victim is violated (in the absence of harm: i.e., the shock of discovering the act, circulation of the pictures that sullies reputation, etc.), I think you’d find yourself talking about things that are essentially metaphysical. As to peeping, I think it’s illegal because one has to commit a trespass to do it. If you can peep without trespassing, I think that’s watching a strip show. Or would you make it a crime to observe from your living room a neighbor undressing through her open window? Anti-peeping statutes are just extra words in the statute books, like this video voyeurism law, that add moral opprobrium for the sake of politics.

]]> By: Stephen http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53480 Stephen Fri, 24 Sep 2004 04:33:14 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53480 <p>"Metaphsically inviolate by others?" Someone who has upskirt photos taken of them without their consent is violated. How is that different from a peeping tom? Should it be legal to spy through someone's window?</p> “Metaphsically inviolate by others?” Someone who has upskirt photos taken of them without their consent is violated. How is that different from a peeping tom? Should it be legal to spy through someone’s window?

]]> By: Stephen http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30681 Stephen Fri, 24 Sep 2004 03:33:14 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30681 <p>"Metaphsically inviolate by others?" Someone who has upskirt photos taken of them without their consent is violated. How is that different from a peeping tom? Should it be legal to spy through someone's window?</p> “Metaphsically inviolate by others?” Someone who has upskirt photos taken of them without their consent is violated. How is that different from a peeping tom? Should it be legal to spy through someone’s window?

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53479 Jim Harper Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:25:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53479 <p>These comments reflect good (moral) outrage. I'm making a subtle and esoteric point: I don't believe there is a role for law when the "victim" is not victimized. Improper, non-harmful behavior is the realm of morals and social approbation.<br><br><br></br><br>Example: If you write on a piece of paper, "Jim Harper committed a murder when he was 11," that is false and would be defamatory, but it does me no harm unless you publish it. The falsity is a necessary, but insufficient condition. The publication defames me. You're wrong to have written a falsity but, if it's unpublished, that's the end of it.<br></br><br><br></br><br>UNLESS you want to import into U.S. law the idea that people should be held metaphsically inviolate by others. The only place I know of such doctrine is the right artists in Europe have to prevent their works from being mutilated or distorted. Incidentally, these are called "moral rights."<br></br></p> These comments reflect good (moral) outrage. I’m making a subtle and esoteric point: I don’t believe there is a role for law when the “victim” is not victimized. Improper, non-harmful behavior is the realm of morals and social approbation.



Example: If you write on a piece of paper, “Jim Harper committed a murder when he was 11,” that is false and would be defamatory, but it does me no harm unless you publish it. The falsity is a necessary, but insufficient condition. The publication defames me. You’re wrong to have written a falsity but, if it’s unpublished, that’s the end of it.



UNLESS you want to import into U.S. law the idea that people should be held metaphsically inviolate by others. The only place I know of such doctrine is the right artists in Europe have to prevent their works from being mutilated or distorted. Incidentally, these are called “moral rights.”

]]> By: Jim Harper http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30680 Jim Harper Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:25:02 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30680 <p>These comments reflect good (moral) outrage. I'm making a subtle and esoteric point: I don't believe there is a role for law when the "victim" is not victimized. Improper, non-harmful behavior is the realm of morals and social approbation. <br /> <br />Example: If you write on a piece of paper, "Jim Harper committed a murder when he was 11," that is false and would be defamatory, but it does me no harm unless you publish it. The falsity is a necessary, but insufficient condition. The publication defames me. You're wrong to have written a falsity but, if it's unpublished, that's the end of it. <br /> <br />UNLESS you want to import into U.S. law the idea that people should be held metaphsically inviolate by others. The only place I know of such doctrine is the right artists in Europe have to prevent their works from being mutilated or distorted. Incidentally, these are called "moral rights."</p> These comments reflect good (moral) outrage. I’m making a subtle and esoteric point: I don’t believe there is a role for law when the “victim” is not victimized. Improper, non-harmful behavior is the realm of morals and social approbation.

Example: If you write on a piece of paper, “Jim Harper committed a murder when he was 11,” that is false and would be defamatory, but it does me no harm unless you publish it. The falsity is a necessary, but insufficient condition. The publication defames me. You’re wrong to have written a falsity but, if it’s unpublished, that’s the end of it.

UNLESS you want to import into U.S. law the idea that people should be held metaphsically inviolate by others. The only place I know of such doctrine is the right artists in Europe have to prevent their works from being mutilated or distorted. Incidentally, these are called “moral rights.”

]]> By: Bob http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53478 Bob Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:20:07 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53478 <p>I agree with Stephen. Then, it should be absolutely legal for a child molester to put on the web videos of their exploits as long as they blur out their victims faces? This is ridiculous!<br><br>I do not need the government to tell me what is moral or immoral. I know that I can use common sense to judge what is good or bad but then again...maybe there should be a law regulating the use of common sense too?</p> I agree with Stephen. Then, it should be absolutely legal for a child molester to put on the web videos of their exploits as long as they blur out their victims faces? This is ridiculous!

I do not need the government to tell me what is moral or immoral. I know that I can use common sense to judge what is good or bad but then again…maybe there should be a law regulating the use of common sense too?

]]> By: Bob http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30679 Bob Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:20:07 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30679 <p>I agree with Stephen. Then, it should be absolutely legal for a child molester to put on the web videos of their exploits as long as they blur out their victims faces? This is ridiculous!</p> <p>I do not need the government to tell me what is moral or immoral. I know that I can use common sense to judge what is good or bad but then again...maybe there should be a law regulating the use of common sense too?</p> I agree with Stephen. Then, it should be absolutely legal for a child molester to put on the web videos of their exploits as long as they blur out their victims faces? This is ridiculous!

I do not need the government to tell me what is moral or immoral. I know that I can use common sense to judge what is good or bad but then again…maybe there should be a law regulating the use of common sense too?

]]> By: Stephen http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-53477 Stephen Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:10:03 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-53477 <p>You've got to be kidding me. You don't think it should be illegal to violate somebody's privacy for the sake of sexual pleasure? Are you saying that I can put a spy cam in the women's locker room at the gym and post the video on the internet as long as I blur out the victims' faces?</p> You’ve got to be kidding me. You don’t think it should be illegal to violate somebody’s privacy for the sake of sexual pleasure? Are you saying that I can put a spy cam in the women’s locker room at the gym and post the video on the internet as long as I blur out the victims’ faces?

]]> By: Stephen http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/comment-page-1/#comment-30678 Stephen Thu, 23 Sep 2004 02:10:03 +0000 http://techliberation.com/2004/09/22/on-video-voyeurism/#comment-30678 <p>You've got to be kidding me. You don't think it should be illegal to violate somebody's privacy for the sake of sexual pleasure? Are you saying that I can put a spy cam in the women's locker room at the gym and post the video on the internet as long as I blur out the victims' faces?</p> You’ve got to be kidding me. You don’t think it should be illegal to violate somebody’s privacy for the sake of sexual pleasure? Are you saying that I can put a spy cam in the women’s locker room at the gym and post the video on the internet as long as I blur out the victims’ faces?

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